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Damn it, I'm sick of this Arab-Israeli bullshit

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There will never be peace there. Why does the USA support those damned Jews? All they do is blow up Palestinian babies. Then the damned Palestinians get pissed and blow up some Jewish babies and it 's just turned into a never ending cycle. I don't think either side is right, but our government sells fighter planes and bombs to the Israelis. I guess eventually American soldiers will be called upon to go and die for these warped Middle Eastern bastards.
 
A Little Background...

Crash Course in Middle East History
www.facts4peace.com

Nationhood and Jerusalem

· Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. · Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. ·

For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit. ·
Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. · King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. · Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.


Arab and Jewish Refugees

In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution
and pogroms. · The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000.

The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same. · Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.


The Arab - Israeli Conflict

· The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. · The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won. · The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel.

Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons. · Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been
preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.


The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs

· Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel. · Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.

The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians. · The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. · The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting
the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

www.facts4peace.com
 
At some point one side is going to have to give in. If not the violence will continue until the sun goes Supernova.
 
Jews kill. They kick families out of there homes, enforce inhumane laws in tha land, it's like tha palestinians aren't even human in isreal. They are treated as animals by tha isreali armi..... I have tons of respect for tha people that strap themselves w/ bombs and blow up tha jews.. that's some hardcore shit...

Although if they all could live together w/o tha fighting that would be awesome...

There's one good thing about lieberman not winning v.p.....


peace :fro:
 
There is another reason we protect the Jews plifter

The other reason our country supports the Jews is because they are God's chosen people. I know you are not a believer power lifter but just look at the facts. The Bible makes a promise that whatever country helps Israel God will bless. I think the US is pretty blessed don't you? I mean we are the only Super Power left and our economy kicks butt on everyone else. You can says its luck but come on man us being such a young nation compared to everyone else and look how good we do.

But I tell you one thing if we turn our back on Israel and let those Moslim whaco terrosist takeover Isreal, watch how fast our country will go the toilet.
 
If you were to read something besides the PLO-favouring Amerikan media, maybe you'd get a better idea of what has really been happening in teh Middle East.
Even the disgustingly Liberal Amerikan Jews back the "downtrodden" Palestinians over the Israelis. Try reading something other than CNN. http://aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Media_Critique_2_CNN.asp

(Also see my post above for some facts.)

http://aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Media_Critique_How_Can_CNN_Keep_a_Straight_Face.asp
 
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Re: There is another reason we protect the Jews plifter

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The other reason our country supports the Jews is because they are God's chosen people.
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Let's thump our bible's a little harder. Holy land my ass! I don't even think there was peace in that area during biblical times.

I don't give a damn about either side. I just don't like my country supporting any of this bullshit.
 
What is a "Palestinian"?

By Joseph Farah

Ever since I wrote a column last October called "Myths of the Middle East," readers from around the world have asked me what is meant by the term "Palestinian." The simple answer is that it means whatever Yasser Arafat wants it to mean.

Arafat himself was born in Egypt. He later moved to Jerusalem. Indeed, most of the Arabs living within the borders of Israel today have come from some other Arab country at some time in their life.

For instance, just since the beginning of the Oslo Accords, more than 400,000 Arabs have entered the West Bank or Gaza. They have come from Jordan, Egypt and, indirectly, from every other Arab country you can name.

The Arabs have built 261 settlements in the West Bank since 1967. We don't hear much about those settlements. We hear instead about the number of Jewish settlements that have been created. We hear how destabilizing they are -- how provocative they are. Yet, by comparison, only 144 Jewish settlements have been built since 1967 -- including those surrounding Jerusalem, in the West Bank and in Gaza.

The number of Arab settlers is based on statistics collected on the Allenby Bridge and other collection points between Israel and Jordan. It is based on the number of Arab day workers entering but not leaving Israel. The numbers were published by the Israel Central Bureau for Statistics during the administration of Binyamin Netanyahu and subsequently denied as "recording errors" by the Ehud Barak administration.

Of course, the Barak administration had incentives for denying the high illegal immigration numbers, given its heavy political reliance on Arab voters. Is this a new phenomenon? Absolutely not. This has always been the case. Arabs have been flocking to Israel ever since it was created and even before, coinciding with the wave of Jewish immigration into Palestine prior to 1948.

Winston Churchill said in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

And that raises a question I never hear anyone ask: If Israel's policies make life so intolerable for Arabs, why do they continue to flock to the Jewish state? This is an important question as we see the Palestinian debate now shift to the issue of "the right of return."

According to the most liberal claims by Arab sources, some 600,000 to 700,000 Arabs left Israel in and around 1948 when the Jewish state was created. Most were not forced out by Jews, but rather left at the urging of Arab leaders who had declared war on Israel.

Yet, there are far more Arabs living in these territories now than ever before. And many of those who left in 1948 and thereafter actually had roots in other Arab nations.

This is why it is so difficult to define the term "Palestinian." It always has been. What does it mean? Who is a "Palestinian"? Is it someone who came to work in Palestine because of a bustling economy and job opportunities? Is it someone who lived in the region for two years? Five years? Ten years? Is it someone who once visited the area? Is it any Arab who wants to live in the area?

Arabs outnumber Jews in the Middle East by a factor of about 100 to one. But how many of those hundreds of millions of Arabs are actually Palestinians? Not very many.

The Arab population of Palestine was historically extremely low -- prior to the Jews' renewed interest in the area beginning in the early 1900s.

For instance, a travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal.

The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

"The number of Jews has greatly risen in the last few decades, in spite of the fact that they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed property," the book states.

Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they came to Jerusalem and represented the overwhelming majority of the population as early as 1906.

Why was the Muslim population so low? After all, we're told that Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam. Surely, if this were a widely held belief in 1906, more of the devout would have settled there.

The truth is that the Jewish presence in Jerusalem and throughout the Holy Land persisted throughout its bloody history, as is documented in Joan Peters' milestone history on the origins of the Arab-Jewish conflict in the region, "From Time Immemorial."

It is also true that the Arab population increased following Jewish immigration into the region. The Arabs came because of economic activity. And, believe it or not, they came because there was more freedom and more opportunity in Israel than in their own homelands.

What is a Palestinian? If any Arabs have legitimate claims on property in Israel, it must be those who were illegally deprived of their land and homes after 1948. Arafat has no such claim. And few if any of those shooting, bombing and terrorizing Israelis today do either.

Joseph Farah is editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com and writes a daily column.
 
cannot believe im gonna say this.....

plifter never mentioned any hate against jews!! he merely said he hates the violence and mistreatment fo those people. now what u think is happening there and what is happeneing there are very different things, do u agree with the current administration there at the moment? sharon is a muderer, he might as well pulled the trigger himself whwen he let those crazy bastards kill all those palestinians.

also ur earlier posts seems to make claim as israel as a nation was set up earlier than palestine. what about british palestine, or british turkish palestine or whatever the fuck we called it. the muslims whichever way u look at it were there firstliving as nomads. true they didnt make a nation, but they were there first and initially in much greater numbers. the encouragement of hem leaving might have also had something to do wirth their homes being burnt down, a move which was allowed by the british. what u posted makes it seem like the arabs there had made all the wrong evil moves, i just dont believe that. they did however have the chance to crush israel and israel kicked their asses in the 5 (?) day war. but what u posted seems very biast.

i am glad that america will not take any shit from israel, and isnt just gonna let them get away with provoking troop movements etc., its one of the few thing i like abiout the busgh administration. as for the religious aspect, why u help them might have something to do with the amount of jewish people in your country. jewish people are hard working, and aer therefore i very socially respectable positions, they exert a lot of influence on your country.

dont get me wrong. for me islam is one of the most dangerous things all humans have to contend with. but what u posted is just one side of the coin. :rolleyes:

no flame
 
Weapon X said:
If you were to read something besides the PLO-favouring Amerikan media,
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I don't believe our media favors either side. We hear about the fighting regardless of which side initiates it.
 
Weapon X said:
Got something against "those damned Jews," plifter? :mad: [/QUOTE

its both fault of arabs and jews..... I guess one will have to surrender or be crushed by other one to finally get peace over there....:confused:
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Weapon X said:
Got something against "those damned Jews," plifter? :mad:
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Yessir, dem dang ol jews ain't nuttin but a bunch of baby killin terrerists. Dat gum adoof hiteler dude shood a finishd wut he startd.

Disclaimer:
For those of sub-human intellect, the above post contained sarcasm. It is not intended to be taken literally.
 
The most finiancially aided country by america is israel. i don't think they deserve usa money. they are both acting really stupid and they need to cut the shit out.
 
I really hate to wade into this because i can see that of those here, all have their mind made up as to who is "right or wrong" in the middle East. but - no matter who u feel is getting the short end of the stick, u should understand one thing. The day that the US ceases to be Israel's "ultimate protector/big brother of last resort" (and lets not deny that this is and has been inarguably the case) Israel will cease to exist within a short period thereafter. There are many leaders in the Arab world who would support the full invasion of Israel - they would never say that in public or to the Americans but there it is. Even the Saudis and Kuaities, etc. leadership who also depend almost soley on the US for protection would do so because they have their own radicalls that they are wary of. This is even those who seem to want capital growth and the "good life" but u cannot change the deepset feelings - they would all destroy everything for a pyrric vitory over Isael (look at Bosnia/Croatia/Macedonia)

Point is, it is always easier to take land quickly, if possible and then give up a bit of it to secure the rest uv taken. Israel is so small, it would be much easier today for arab conventional forces to quickly storm over the golan hieghts and thats all thats blocking them from taking Israel.

Unfortunatley, israel is likely to pull a Samson in this case which means that even as it was being invaded it would very possibly initiate full or limited scale nuclear retaliation - obliterating the major cities of its antagonists - thats why we gave them the bomb after all - its whats kept the arabs at bay these many years and the US has had to do a lot less work on the day to day basis. kinda like a "relatively cold" war for the middle east
 
Let's also remember that Israel is the only nation in the area that is a reliabel ally of America and its interests, as well as being teh only Democracy in the region.
Factoring these things in, we should be able to see how Israel is a listening post for America, the Mossad is invaluable to the American Intelligence Community, and their missiles can be called to bear when/if America's intersts are threatened or if things get too wacky over the region's Muslim-controlled natural resources.
 
Wasn't current day Israel the state of Palestine up until 1948? As I recall and I could be wrong. There was never an Israeli state. They have been kicked around the world since day one when Adam was banished from the Garden.

And the US is not blessed because we support Israel we excel because of the diversity of our population we have the best of every country here.

We support Israel cuz the people with the big $$ here are Jewish.
 
I for one do not want to play brother's keeper forever, and that's what it looks like it's heading towards. if they can't defend themselves on their own, then they should learn how to, and if they can't do that then be prepared to be conquered.


the only reason why usa backs them up is because the money and the banks in this country are controlled by the jewish. if they took their money and split, and didn't play along, usa economy would be in big trouble. this is according to professors of history and economics i had in college and some other teachers. i don't know if it's true, but it does seem that they have a lot money in this country. if you don't believe me, take a look at hollywood.
 
Weapon X said:
Let's also remember that Israel is the only nation in the area that is a reliabel ally of America and its interests, as well as being teh only Democracy in the region.
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Turkey is an ally of America, that's if you consider it in the region.
 
The Jews have all the money! That's right!
That must be why I'm 5 figures in debt and my wife has to get a job so that we can afford to raise our kid and pay bills. Woohoo! I'm so fucking rich!
As soon as my Jewish ass was born, my parents were handed a satchel from the Zionist Occupational Government, on behalf of the Learned Elders of Zion, containing $1,000,000. This money has made certain that I personally control the news media and all of Hollywood.
My cousin is the one who makes sure that The U.S. supports Israel.
Us Jews are so fucking rich!
 
Weapon X said:
The Jews have all the money! That's right!
That must be why I'm 5 figures in debt and my wife has to get a job so that we can afford to raise our kid and pay bills. Woohoo! I'm so fucking rich!
As soon as my Jewish ass was born, my parents were handed a satchel from the Zionist Occupational Government, on behalf of the Learned Elders of Zion, containing $1,000,000. This money has made certain that I personally control the news media and all of Hollywood.
My cousin is the one who makes sure that The U.S. supports Israel.
Us Jews are so fucking rich!
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didn't say every jew was rich
 
And "why" do you think Jews do so well in business. HMMMMMM????? Because they are God's chosen people that's why. Think about look at the talent in Hollywood almost all jews. Why? Because they are God's chosen people. He blesses them and he gives them exceptional talent. Now He does get pissed at them because they go back to sinning and stuff so he punishes them through history. It has always been that way. They follow God's laws and he blesses them they fall away and he punishes them. The whole old testiment explains it.

Any why do you think they are so persecuted? Because they are God's chosen people which makes Satan hate them all the more. That is why Satan used Hitler to try to wipe them out and invented the Muslim religion to kill the Jews. It all makes sense if you just think about it for a while.
 
Mabey your a poor ass mofo. But Mr Eisienstein and Swartz and others own banks and much more. Please don't deny that lots of people in powerful positions are Jewish.
 
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Mabey your a poor ass mofo. But Mr Eisienstein and Swartz and others own banks and much more. Please don't deny that lots of people in powerful positions are Jewish.
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Come to think of it, you're right! There are so damn few Christians in powerful positions in America today!
 
I'm with X all the way here. And just to put my cards on the table I'm either Jewish or Arab. However I've been on UN peace keeping service in Lebanon a number of time's and Arabs sicken me.
Now I'm not up on middle east history or as articulate (sp'ing) as X so I'm not going to go argueing about "he said this, he said that" sort of crap.
But about American money, yeah give then more. There's probably no other richer people in this world than Arabs but they'd rather shite on their own people than give a little money to help out once in a while. A couple of things about Lebanon will always remain with me, one is the poverty, it's unreal. Yet living next door to a shanty town could be house's costing millions whose own's are content to make their millions dealing a diamonds in Africa while their own are dying at home of starvation.
When we'd cross the Isreali-Lebanese border we joke about going back 2000 years. Isreal is a beautifull country, except when we'd venture into or near to arabs communities where their content to live like animals. And yes weapon X is right about refugee's. lebanon's problems with Isreal only began when they were rejected by the Lebanese population for their terror tactics against the Lebanese. The palestinians then started attacking Isreal accross their border's. When in 1978 the isreali's invaded Lebanon they were welcomed in by the local population who were in a grip of palestian torrorists. The mistake Isreal made in Lebanon was staying there longer than they should have, giving rise to other Iranian ans Syrian back 'freedom' fighter's like the Amal and Hizballah.
Like I said I'm not as articulate on this argument as weapon X so I'll cut it short here. But there's one last memory which remains, I've never come accross an arab who refused to take US dollars of me !.
I don't wish to offend any arab member's on the board here, and neither do i wish to sound like a jewish lover either but having been there and being Irish I can give my unbiased opinion.
Regards

Bouncer

Btw, I've also been on the receiving end of Isreali shelling of Lebanon and on one trip there I lost 5 comrades to fighting from both side's.

Bouncer
 
You know all the hate these two cultures have is truly sad. Innocent people are being killed on both sides It's truly sad that they cant work together.

I have nothing against working hard and the only reason Lots of Jewish people are rich is the work ethic they stick to. GOD's chosen people? Chosen for what? curling that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. We're all the same Physically, Chemically and at the sub-atomic level. We're all part of the same big picture. WHY CANT WE GET ALONG!
 
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The most finiancially aided country by america is israel. i don't think they deserve usa money. they are both acting really stupid and they need to cut the shit out.
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I am sticking with this statement. I have nothing against jewish people nor arabs. They need to knock it off. Especially the bullshit hating they pass on from one generation to the next.
 
What are you talking about stupid? It's in the Bible. And what race did Jesus(God) come as that's right a Jew. And I am sorry but a good work ethic doesn't do diddly in Hollywood unless you are talented beyond belief.
 
What makes a person Jewish? Is it actually a race of people or is it based on religion? If an Israeli is an atheist are they still considered a Jew by the Arabs? Sorry for my ignorance but I normally ignore anything about religion.
 
the downside of that is the fallout will eventually get to us...i personally think things will get much further if that shitbag sharon is ousted. they were so close to getting peace and then they killed there own president....and the PLO cant even control every single person.....i dont ever see a non-bloody outcome over there, as their religions get in the way...its sad. i seemed to have accidentally clicked colour by mistake
 
C'mon bouncer ,
what about Sharon? , wasn't he personally responsible for some Israeli massacres , how would you feel if Johnny Adair became First Minister of NI , AND then the largest most powerful country in the world said "Grand,we'll help you out".
When I lived in the States , one of the most surpirsing things was the disparity between the way certain events in the media are portrayed there and in Europe. And by that I mean it seemed that the media (there) towed the government line all the way.
 
Bearded Clam ,
ya really think so do ya? . Listen man , I'm an Irish Catholic , and have no personal beef with any race,creed or colour. I'm real glad I wasn't born into this conflict and even gladder that I wasn't born a Palestinian believe me. However , over here we have these pesky things , documentaries we call 'em, and some of them are on this topic ,and they're not made by any tree-huggin' hippies either , they're made by the BBC, which is British and hence closely allied with the Americans , and even THEY can't help but condemn this guy and his policies.
You may not be familiar with the Kahan commission , but it was an ISRAELI investigation into the Lebanese massacres in 1983. It found Sharon "indirectly responsible for the killings" , and he resigned shortly afterwards , and if you don't believe me then I invite you to :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1395000/1395080.stm
And we're not even gonna start on what Amnest International think about Sharon , or are they a group of land-grabbing Arabs too.
 
C'mon , he resigned , he was indicted by his own people (who are not exactly the most unbiased of folk). As you seem to choose to brush over , this is a Western News agency that asserts this information , not a load of turban wearing Arabs , so admit it.
I'm not saying that Yasser Arafat is the the most peace-loving of individuals , but you said I couldn't give you a massacre , I gave you one , are you just gonna say "Oh , but look at what they have done to us".
You may well be right about the Arab leader massacre stuff , I doubt if Hamas leaders bear white doves every day ,but they also do not pretend to be something else , which is normal politicians involved in a "peace-loving" democracy. Israel and Jews in general did very well out of the most famous war-trial in history , and fair play to them , but they seem to have a real problem with subjecting themselves to the same justice.
 
Let's try this one more time ,
1) Kahan commission - no Arabs there.
2) "Indirectly responsible" - now as he was Israeli defence minister at the time , if they had found him "directly responsible" , then that would mean that Israel herself was directly responsible wouldn't it? So this is about the hardest rebuke that an Israeli institution could give the guy without saying
"Ok , we've just committed state-sponsored terrorism" , and they were hardly gonna do that now were they?What more do you want ?
Know any axe-murderers whose mothers went public with saying , "Ok ,you've got us , I raised an axe-murderer for a son".
 
And therein lies the problem , no one side of almost any territorial conflict cannot accept the obvious truth that they are to blame for their crimes.
You can't accept what occurred and that is a shame, you think this person is the "perfect man for the job" , you deify this individual just as many deified Hitler and Pol Pot , but the real tragedy is that many of your brethren will die for views such as yours. And worse again , many on the other side of the conflict will hold similarly illogical views and they will condemn you as you condemn them.
Wouldn't you rather give a little bit , accept the views of impartial observers (even partial observers) ,not neccessarily mine and spare the lives of many? Have Jews not moved on a little bit from "An eye for an eye"?
 
well, as an Israeli/American citizen (born in Israel, live in US), i guess i am a little biased, but i try to look at things through an open mind....i definately think Sharon is at least somewhat reponisble for the massacre in Lebanon, even if he didn't order it, he had to know about it, i mean, you can't just let in an opposing army into a refugee camp...however, can anyone here name one Arab "Shalom Ahshav" (peace now) organization, i really couldn't think of any....and people that don't think that the US should support Israel...i think it is very important to have some kind of military machine in the middle east (in 1987, the Israeli Airforce took out an Iraqi nuclear plant (in the process of being made)...how would you guys feel if Israel hadn't been there to do that...? And also, how many US servicemen died b/c of Israelis strapping bombs to themselves and blowing themselves up..?

Leaf
 
Tysons hit list = vegetarians and bitchy jews. . . . A bitchy jewish vegetarian would get assasinated in my world faster than cotton candy melts in a mouth that's starving.


peace :fro:
 
Sorry I couldn't get back to you guys sooner,
Leaf -glad to know that there are some moderates out there.However ,I doubt if there isn't a square inch of soil on the earth that isn't monitored frequently by the US for signs of arm-manufacturing activity.
BeardedClam ,when I was speaking of "you" , I was referring to the collective "you" , as in people who share your opinion, of course you don't have to give in to a fool like me.
On another point of history , "you kill ours , we'll take ten of yours" , this was the same policy adopted by Hitler's troops in their invasion of Belgium.
All I'm saying is I don't think that being belligerent is gonna get peace , and presumably you'd prefer that to more death.
As Forrest Gump would say "And that's all I have to say about that (Vietnam)"
 
plifter said:
There will never be peace there. Why does the USA support those damned Jews? All they do is blow up Palestinian babies. Then the damned Palestinians get pissed and blow up some Jewish babies and it 's just turned into a never ending cycle. I don't think either side is right, but our government sells fighter planes and bombs to the Israelis. I guess eventually American soldiers will be called upon to go and die for these warped Middle Eastern bastards.
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The USA supports the Jews, because the Jews own America my friend.

The most powerful companies and American Industries are run by Jews.

It's all about interest. America only helps when they have an interest.

The jews never had a nation. They were scattered around the world like Gypsies with a vast majority of them residing in Poland. With the help of the USA, the jews occupied palestine and named it Israel. The result of this is the Arab-Israeli bullshit you see on TV every day.

I'm not an Arab, but looking at everything from the outside with an unbiased point of view, this is what I see!
 
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Israel is responsible for more terrorist acts than any arab nation or group. Palestinians kill one Israeli and the Israeli's kill 100 Palestinians. And they do it with attack helicopters and tank artillery.

One day the arab's will crush Israel and unfortunately it will draw the US into a war when that occurs.
 
man fuck this shit!!!!
this aint no fucking political board!!! as far as i am concerin, fuck the jewish bastard! they take my hard earned tax dollars which i culd have spent (u.s annual support to israel is $10 billion, fuck this shit!!!) on roids and shit. We got enough problem in this country and got no time supporting the idiots over there. and about WEAPON dude supporting israel, go there if u like them, ur in america, ur money should be given to you not israel no you wont be in debt and shit! An about the arabs, i think us gave fucking egypt $2 bilion dolar aids annualy, man fuck this shit!!! i want the money to spend on us not the damn ones who hates our guts! i dont hate jews or islam, but i hate israles and arab shit, anyon, i dont care who, ANYONE who aint american and take my hard earned money, i hate them, PERIOD!!!! and all the shit about jews bing choosen people, have ya ever been to Tel Aviv or howeever u spell that damn city...bunch of fucking nudy and xxx bars, holy people my ASS, and who u think owns lot of them? ARABS, and who u think works in them and psending money in them? jewish girls and jewish customers...man holy my ass to both sides!!!
Plifter is right....hell with both!!! and if u support any side, take ur ass and die with them!!!
 
Wfabrizio said:
One day the arab's will crush Israel and unfortunately it will draw the US into a war when that occurs.
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The hell if I'll ever fight for any of them!
 
the arab governments openly condemn Israel and wish its citizens to go into the sea (or something like that), there is a difference between an army retaliating for terrorist actions and govt's not only condoning, or allowing to happen, but actually financing terrorism...and i don't ever see the arab countries destroying Israel, in 1948 before the 10billion$ that the US gives Israel every year, the settlers somehow pushed back all 9 (Libya, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria...and one more)

Leaf
 
dont ya think its kinda funny how many of the ppl on this board get their info's and history back ground from tv talk shows and mtv ,,
anyway i think if anyone want to have or to at least have a clear idea about the situation is to get some books and read some real stuff about it , and then form his own point of view , thats all


SLASH , there is no oil in israel as far as i know , plus its a very small peace of land maybe smaller than the smallest state of america ,
 
Beardedclam you are obviously of jewish decent I assume? Do you really think the Israeli's are so innocent? Who is the ignorant one? Check your history and you will find that Israel frequently hung palestinians from street lights years and years ago. To this day the Mossad has infiltrated most arab organizations. Israel has an intelligence system much like the old KGB.

Remember the political assination that took place there a few years ago? The Israeli government is not interested in compromise. Israel gives their demands for peace and expects the Palestinians to abide by them or there is no deal.

It's pretty obvious to me that the current and past political decisions on behalf of the Israeli's haven't worked. The Iron Curtain fell, the IRA pretty much is done, Cuba is a non-threat, and yet the Israeli's still cannot negotiate their way out of this situation.

The only people interested in peace in the Middle East are Westerners. Who else is setting up peace "deals"?

I blame it all on Islam and Judaism and their stupid old, old hatreds and religions.
 
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Hitler takes Poland = Bad, correct?

USSR takes Eastern Bloc Countries = Bad too, correct?

China controls Tibet = Bad as well, right?

Serbians taking Croatian Land = Really, really bad.

Israel stealing Palestinian Land = OK. No problem, their just Arabs, right?

That, my friend, is media brainwashing. Why is it okay for Israel and yet any other nation doing the same is considered an invasion?
 
johnny O is right....it was british help, not american that was the influence.....in what was known as britsih palestine. and Sharon was soooo responsoble, the miliary underb his command trained those idiots that went in there and massacred hundreds and when they found out about it they did nothing. they could have pulled them out but they didnt.

let me ask you something. the palestinians were a nomadic people (originally). they didnt have a government of thier own, they didnt need one. the country was colinised by the british, they 'became the government'...then the british stood by and let the palestians be uprooted from their homes. why. there were an awful lot of jewish people to be relocated aftr the horrors that had taken place in europe. thats one possible reason.

they were there first. as for the muslims, yeah...a lot of their actions are pretty scummy....should the palestinians be constantly screwed over for what other muslims have done. and no, simply cutting the millions in aid that israel gets wont stop their hate of the US....why would iranians stop hating the US after what the cold war and both sides actions did to their country.
 
what make u say the jews were there first....jewish people were migrants as far as my bible studies recall....that and the fact thats its fairly obvious muslims were idniginous to that reigion....maybe not too many of them but then tyhey considered it thier land and wandered round it...as for when they lived in houses, true some of them may have left....but no way did all fo them leave voluntrairly, many houses were urnt down.

though i must say....what was it 8 nations versus one. and that one nation won.egypt had an amazing russian radar system....israel forces captured it...paratroopers i believe ?!?...egypt had the biggest airforce....60% wiped out after the first attack...after that the tanks were screwed...the arabs could have wiped them out of they wanted but they screwed up...silly buggers

as for peaceful co-existence....that would work except for one important factor....religions...muslims hate ha-raam.....and they percieve the jewish way of life to be ha'raam i believe. added to that previous hate...it aint gonna happen.
 
as far as i know jerusalem was was won and lost by the christians during ther crusdaes and by the arabs defending it, thats why 3 religions place such grerat emphasis on it. i do agree on the fact that some muslims are very intolerant of other cultures...i cant say they all are though
 
dont get me wrong.....not all of the palestinians are squeaky kleen, hamas will happily take civillian targets as kill. but there are instances where one jewish soldier will be killed, and the response is totally disproportionate. muslims will never give up jerusalem as that city holds as deep a religious meaning for them as it does for the jews. barak had sorted out a plan to divide up jerusalem which was beng agreed by the palestinians...then sharon decided to visit....

oh and the christians werent there first....they invaded.
 
ok....israelis shell a house with suspected snipers inside....women and children come running out...this was very recent btw.

jerusalem has a deep religious significance to both of them. their religion deictates who they are as a people. neither side will say take this city. would muslims give up mecca...no becuae of what lies in it (that big opbelisk thingy) or jerusalem (i cant remebr but there are a lot fop sacred things there), would catholics giove up rome, no because of the vatican city, would jews give up jerusalem, no becuase of the wailing wall. thats why neither side will budge. dividing it up, or carpet bombing the whole city are the only options.

the previous plans would haven worked. muslims were alrerady pissed at having their movemnets in the city dictated by soldiers, jerusalem is currently a city where the move where allowed by the israelis, and were restricted access in the past to certain religious areas. the plan drawn up by barak cpuld have worked.

seeing an opportunity, sharon moved into a sacred muslim area (and also sacred to jews) knowing full well a murderer like him would speak an outcry by the palestinian, sparking skirmishes. he could then accuse barak of being weak, so barak would have to respond by force, escalating the situation, and earning internatuional condemnation. then he steps in, tells an angry jewish people he'll be harsh but fair to those palestinians (and notably that was his ONLY election mandate,. he didnt say anthing else aside fro this one statement), so he gets power. convienient.
 
well...if that city was in the possesion of the palestinians for many years, and someone took it over by force, u'd kinda want it back. especially when u aernt allowed to visit religiously significnt ares of that city. there are areas of jerusalem that the israelis do not really have a vested interest in....enough for ehud barak to offer it. the arabs will not rest until they have access to those parts of the city, whcich cannot be turned on and off as done in the past.

israel also expanded its border via warfare, and laid down settlements in some of these areas. why shouldnt other countries get back their land (its mostly desert anyhow). bottom line...peace deal was on the table, before it could be accepted, sharon killed it. (it probably wouldnt have worked anyhow)

also if america is now openly disagreeing with israels policy in certain cases, how just could what they re doing currntly be.

anyhows, im gona sleep before i pass out. peace to ya bro (or as may1010 would prefer, girlfriend :) )
 
long live the white race!!!
nothing personal to all the "jews" around here, but who told u all are jews?? i have jewish friends, u know the REAL jews, direct descendent of Abraham (they aer from some tribe in Ethopia)..well according to them...israels are killers...i mean christians got no problem giving land to REAL jews.....not these wanna bees bastard causing all the trouble. As i said, i careless about everyone, but we all gott figure out who are the "jews", the choosen ones....according to the bible they are traitors, they betray jesus, their own kind, and oh yea u know when the fucking anti christ gonna come....we all know who u bastards would support!!!
And about damn palestaninas...sheesh you cry and all but didnt you all supported the jews all those centuries againt us during crusades and shit??? when we were fucking the shit out of them, u bastards have to help them out, give them home and shit like idiots!! well u deserve the shit!!! You all went against your own kind (turks during wwI) and was telling jews to come there and live with you all, well HAHHAHA joke on you assholes. I will let all americans know that our founding father, Franklin DID NOT LIKE JEWS, PERIOD, HELL NONE OF THEM LIKE THEM. he told us to amend the constitution and don't allow them to come here, for wherever they went, they were like leaches and cause trouble. He said i am afraid that our children be working for them in the fields while they sit their asses in home and warm their hands near the fire!!! He told us that any nation in history who supported them get fucked!!! just like the dumb palestaninans and arabs who helped them against us for centuries, well i am happy they are finally getting screwed!!! Hail Benjamin Franklin. and if u think i lie about benjamin, go read you fucking history b4 u answer me, and as a jew or arab, u have no right to say anything about our founding father!!! I agree with plifter, fuck them both, and take the lands for us, to get the cheap oil and my ass dont have to waste my tax money supporting both of their fucking armies!!!
 
Goddamnit, I go home from work and miss all the fun. Beardedclam, the difference between the US and our oppression of Native Americans and Israel is simple:

We have given Native Americans land back and made compensation for our actions years and years ago.

The Israeli's are still currently oppressing the Palestinians.

If this was happening in any other country we and the western world would be up in arms. Obviously, this isn't happening. Double standards. If it isn't okay for Milosovic to take land and oppress people then it shouldn't be okay for Israel either.

Case closed.
 
BeardedClam said:
so many idiots here talk without any knowledge at all. like the moron that said america helped israel become a nation. america wasnt involved at the time. israel doesnt need aid however america benefits from giving israel money. people like fabriozo will never understand and really dont need to be convinced. he is dumb enough to think the arabs could crush israel. he is also dumb enough to call israels actions terrorism. if the palestinians suicide bombed a school bus in america killing a dozen kids you would expect and want america to retaliate against the terrorists. thats what israel does. they retaliate against terrorists. its their country and they have to do what they can to protect it.
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Before making stupid comments:

The discovery of the Nazi death camps at the end of World War II and the undecided future of Holocaust survivors led to an increasing number of pro-Zionist statements from U.S. politicians. In August 1945 U.S. President Harry S. Truman requested that British Prime Minister Clement Attlee facilitate the immediate admission of 100,000 Jewish Holocaust survivors into Palestine, and in December the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives asked for unrestricted Jewish immigration to the limit of the economic absorptive capacity of Palestine. Truman's request signaled the United States' entry into the arena of powers determining the future of Palestine. The question of Palestine, now linked with the fate of Holocaust survivors, became once again the focus of international attention.
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The Zionists were illegal immigrants!

America wasn't involved at the time eh?:confused:

Obviously your a Jew, so I don't suggest replying any more to this thread, since you are not in a position to do so. Everything you say is biased.

I aint a Jew nor an Arab.
 
u got it right bro,
the israeli argument sond like serbian and milosovic argument, saying they were the first there and statrt killing, raping, and torturing albanians and bosnians. if u think its israeli land (to winner belongs the spoils i guess) then i am hapy for u, dont ecxpect me to give ur ass the money to kill ther arabs, and if u think it belongs to dam arabs(hm..well palentenians aren't arbas, wernt they romans b4????) , ghood for u too, go there and get killed. here we are all roid users and as far as i am concerned, it got nothing nothng to do wiht us, if an israeli fight to make roids legal in this country i am for them, and if arab fights to make roids legal for us (so none of ushave to put up with damn scammers), hail them too!!! ll i know right now jews costing me money to support their lazy asses in israel, just like we have to support the lazy hispanics and blacks in this country who dont work (i ahve nothing against hard working minorities, its the fucking lazy ones), so about the lazy jews in israel(which is every jew there cause i have to pay for his ass to take arabian land and shit) and i dont like them!!!!
 
a few things to know :
1 the nation of israel "given by the british gov after ww2 " was going to be held in africa and not in palestine
2 juresalem wasnt an israeli province t'ill 1967 after the defeat of the arab forces
3 israel aint a very democratic nation as the ethiopian "flasha" jews are being treated very bad
4 how many jew senator/minister in america ??
5 who owns the mass media in america ?
6 in 1973 american tanks were fighting in the batlle field with the american flag on it
7 why do you consider the frensh resistance during ww2 , the american patriots against the british troops ,.......heroes and you name the palestinians terrorists .
8 count the number of dead shildrens/womens on both side , " have u ever heard of a dead israeli child ?? the number of dead palestinian childrens has become over 30 , while everyone know they dont have weapons in thier hands . hamass want to get soldiers down , israel want to genocide the palestiniens .
9 arabs are not only muslims but also christians in case u dont know
10 yes , they were once god chosen race but that was long time ago b4 they blew it and became damned for the blood of christ and for many other things ,,,,
11 the number of muslims is close to 1 milliar r now , do u think they r all terrorists ??
12 the poverty of wich bouncer was talking about is caused by 100 year of imvasions by both the britich and frensh armies
13 we all know that the c.i.a made osama ben laden so dont blame arabs for that
14 the american role of supporting israel should be over since the fall of the usssr , but the jew lobby wont let that happen ,
15 america stopped every UN act against israel "thats why arabs burn the american flag everyday in the news"
16 the promised land in wich jews claim aint just palestine , but it consists of egypt,jordan,palestine,iraq . they also have a big map of it over the walls of kenessit
17 an israeli spy was caught in the us 4 years ago "he worked in the pentagon as far as i know " have u ever heard this story ?? arent both sides friends ?
18 in 1967 during the war the amercian navy sent a big spying ship to report the war , the ship was setting in a very far place from the war ,but the israeli navy destroyed the ship with an over 300 dead anerican on it , because it interfered some serious interiour war info , israeli side said they were very sory as it was a mistake !!
19 the first side to propose peace was the egyptian side in 1977
20 arafat agreed on the division of juresalem but the israeli side didnt accept .


i know i will get flamed for all this post from a lot of ppl , i know i will be called liar but most of this stuff are facts ,
i also know i will be flamed for my bad spelling !!
 
BIGDADDYCOOL,I agree with most of what you said but you need to remember there are many white people who are on welfare and many who do so illegally, just like our black brothers and hispanic brothers . I have a problem with anyone who does not TRY to help themselves.Welfare is a stepping stone that is there to catch a person when they fall but not to build a house on and stay there forever. Welfare recepients come in all sorts of colors, when was the last time you drove through a poor area of west virginia? Many poor white brothers and sisters there, but you do not hear about them, only the folks in bronx,ny or south central l.a ? Things will get better as the system will no longer allow most to not try to get up on their own 2 feet and get a skill and do something for themselves. If now we could only stop all the fraud in the medical field that is costing us all MILLIONS EACH YEAR. Doctors are lining there pockets and you and I pay for it??:confused:
 
THIS THREAD IS LUDICROUS!!!!!



#1: The reason why the US helps Israel is because
of the Jewish "lobby" in the US. The president would
be committing political suicide if he didn't help
them.

#2: Frankly speaking, i am getting VERY IRRITATED at
the amount of whinning the Jews generate about the
Holocaust.
Ok, yes, it WAS an atrocity. But its IN THE PAST!!!!
Do you see the families of the 2 MILLION Cambodians
that WERE EXTERMINATED by the Khmer Rouge
on the news 24/7?
The answer is: No, you don't. Why? Again, because
of the incessant squabbling of the jewish lobby
in the US.

#3. PLEASE, and I do mean Please cease these RETARDED
and PRE-HISTORIC notions that the Jews where the
"Children of God".

The Frigging bible is a PURE WORK OF FICTION!!!!!!

Putting religion in the equation is plain WRONG.
We are dealing with FACTS not ANECDOTES
from the past.

What the hell are you going to say? Well, ........God wanted
me to kill those unfaithful palestinians(and vice-versa)?

IF YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS, THEN I SERIOUSLY
HOPE YOU GET THERAPY SOON.

I used to like the Israeli's, but lately they have become
to get irritating. They have VERY xenophobic tendencies.

Godspeed
 
Curling
"That is why Satan used Hitler to try to wipe them out and invented the Muslim religion to kill the Jews"

Your ignorance amazes me....so satan invented Islam?

BeardedClam

Could you be more bias?
Being a muslim myself, I have lost count of how many times I felt truly insulted by your extremely ignorant, bias remarks.
You continue to generalize the arabs and considering them to be all terrorists.
To me you're just another victim of the sad ongoing anti-islamic propaganda.
I very much doubt you had a chance to meet a considerable amount of muslims or was subject to true islamic culture and beliefs. Then you can use that (instead of CNN, etc.) to have a more accurate idea about us.
As for the Arab-Israeli, im getting tired of sharing my personal opinion so instead:
I suggest you read a bit more about this ongoing conflict...
few recomendations
"End of the Peace Process" by Edward Said
"From Beirut to Jerusalem" by Thomas Friedman (a Jew btw...with a quite accurate and un-biased view of the middle east crisis)
Lets just hope you're capable of doing such...
From what i read so far though...I must admit I'm having my doubts.

As for Curling...im truly speechless. Im finding it quite difficult to come up with a proper way of communicating with people of your nature.
 
Goony and FONZ,,, Great replys.

Curling and CLam,,your both retards. Wize up you fairys.
I'm tired of you bitchy isreali supporting fruitcakes. Wake tha fuck up. Niether of you fools posting know shit about what's really going on over there, your just posting shit just to be bitchy opinionated queers....which you are. Nobody gives a shit about either of your weak ass view points. Shut tha fuck up.

peace. :fro:
 
Shut ur ugly ass up Clam. I didn't say shit about jews whinning....i said YOUR stupid ass is whinning. Arab terrorist??!?!? You fucking moron, maybe .00001% of Middle easterners are terrorist, Just like .00001% of White people are in tha KKK, Just like .00001% of Jews are terrorist, Just like .00001% of any nation are terrrorist, and Just like how .00001% of fucking retards are on this message board... which is mainly your regurgitated fat ass. You're a goddamn Fucking whinning & complaining paranoid Bitch. You fucking mule. Wake the fuck uP you Dyke.


Peace :fro:
 
BeardedClam said:
when have you seen or heard any jews whining? the jews arent asking for any help. they definitely wouldnt whine to your pathetic asses. the fact is it is their country and they will protect it just like we would ours. they dont need your help. you are annoyed by this whining that i dont see any of however all the terrorist threats by the arabs doesnt seem to bother you. you are the bias ones not me. you were raised to be biased.
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Frankly, I can see you don't have a clue of what yo're
talking about.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE AMERICANS, ISRAEL WOULD
NOT EXIST TODAY!!!!!

Why?

1. Who the hell do you think gave them all the military
technology? Do you think the Israel's invented their
own? Sorry, but no they didn't.
Haven't you ever noticed how superior Israel's military
is compared to the other arab countries?
Don't be so naive.

Technology the US provided:

1. F-16's and F-18's. This was quite amazing at the time
because the F-16 was considered to be the premier
state-of-the-art US interceptor.
Have you ever seen a country give away its best technology
before? Unlikely.
The reason, again, was that INCESSANT Israeli lobby
in the US congress and Senate.

2. Who the hell do you think gave the Israeli's Nuclear
capability? They sure as hell didn't build their
Enriched uranium plants(they didn't have the technology).
Recently de-classified documents showed that the
Israeli's actually STOLE weapons grade nuclear
form the US in one of the most incredible
intelligence operations of all time.
This fissionable materiall(U-235), was used to manufacture their
first series of Nuclear fission bombs.
This was, circa 1960-70 when Israel was involved
in several altercations with egypt, Syria and others.
Later on, the US discovered the theft and covered it up.
Relations weren't very good for a few years after that.
However, with the Israeli lobby AGAIN pushing the
US congress and Senate, the US gave the Israeli's
the technology to manufacture their own weapons
grade U-235.

#3 The US has also provided Israel with patent rights
for numerous conventional weaponry, spare parts for
its F-16's, electronics, guidance systems, etc..
etc......

I'll repeat this again: THE ONLY REASON WHY THE US
IS HELPING ISRAEL SO MUCH IS BECAUSE OF
THE POWER THE ISRAELI ;LOBBY HOLDS IN THE
US CONGRESS AND SENATE.

Most elected officials ony truly care about being re-elected.
And, since the support of the Israeli lobby is VERY
important towards their re-election, I seriously
doubt they'd refuse them.

Oh, and I also neglected to mention that the majority
of the IDF has been trained by the US.
Ditto for their Air-force pilots.

Godspeed
 
i cannot believe the theft of nuclear weapons didnt piss more people off back there. it actually scares me the control that is being exerted on the media by certain lobbyists etc. i reallly think they need to cut spending now...it will never happen of course.

u installed a patriot defence system for them....no idea if it works :)
 
Hmm, I guess I'll be just fine as long as I stay in the Jewish Closet...

Nah!
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:lmao:
 
the arabs would use biochem warfare which is almsot as devastaing as nukes, but far less devastating on infrastructure.

but i do think they should stop getting aid sent their way. its worrying when a government send millions to a country that is wayy to well off....having said that wothoput that money they couldnt ever finance their military IMHO....what natural resources does israel have other than salt and sand :confused:
 
I'm actually being non-biased and objective since
I'm spanish NOT american.
But even I have to give the US its dues. If it
weren't for their help the arabs woud have exterminated
the jews.

I don't listen to religious dogma(which is all BS anyways)
, I listen to facts.

Here are the facts(as they were in 1960)

1. Israel was fighting a war on TWO FRONTS.
2. They had the same OR WORSE technology than
the arab nations surrounding them.
3. Their military was SMALLER and probably less
well trained.

Frankly, if I were in they're situation I'd go somewhere else.

But, in came the US.

Here are the facts NOW:

1. Israel is STILL fighting a war on two fronts.
2. Technology is NOW VASTLY SUPERIOR.
3. HALF their population is in the military.
4. Their IDF is very well trained.

Do you see the difference?

Right now, I have no doubt that Israel could
obliterate all the other arab countries if
it wanted to.

The problem now, is that the arab countries who now
see themselves greatly out-classed by the Israeli's
have to resort to terrorist attacks.

Now, arabs in general ARE BY NO MEANS TERRORRISTS.
This is an utter fallacy. Don't confuse religious
fervour with insanity.

A person can be religious yet peaceful(As most arabs are)

As in most cases, its the deeds of a few fanatics that
give arabs a bad name.

MOST people are rational. They will NOT kill
someone based on religious dogma.

Godspeed







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Good points. Also, most pro-terrorism governments are
formed through oppression and fear.

You remove the head honcho's of those governments
and the problem is solved.

I realize this will never happen, but democracy has
a way of finding the light once dictators/regimes
are removed from power.

And we all pretty much now that NONE of the arab
governments who sponsor terrorism will EVER
change their mind.

Godspeed
 
LOL.
One fact that I forgot to mention is that the reasoning
congress used to give the Israeli's the capability
of producing more nuclear weapons(as a form
of deterrence), was that if it didn't projections
indicated that Israel would go nuclear if backed
into a corner by the other arab nations.

Israel also came VERY, VERY close to using
a 200 KT warhead against the Syrians in the
seven-days war.

Trust Israel? Hmmmmmm....thats up for debate.

They're too unpredictable. Just look at the Knesset
(Their parliament). If you've seen a more fragmented
ruling body I sure woud like to know.

Godspeed
 
umm.....they would go nucleaer if backed into a corner so give them more nukes :confused:

err....that would just mean more nukes to launch at the arabs wouldnt it?

but saddam was trying to build a cannon to shell israel...and he developed drone planes to spray israel (ya like that would ever work).
 
Sorry, I should have explained the physics behind
the choice to give them the ability to produce
weapons grade U-235 for use in nuclear weapons.

Ok, Isarel stole some U-235 of the US in 1960.
They had enough to poduce 20 2nd generation
fission nuclear weapons.
These nuclear weapons were in the 150-200KT
range.
However, once these were gone, they're nuclear
capability would be lost forever.
Hence, the problem:

If Israel was backed into a corner and they chose
to fire all the nukes they had at the arabs
IT WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH.
20 150-200KT(kilo-ton or equivalent to 100 000Kg of
high explosive) nuclear bombs would not be enough
to stop the arabs.
It would cause some serious losses, but not
stop them.

So, in order to protect Israel and "keep the peace",
the US chose to give the Israeli's the ability
to produce they're own weapons-grade U-235.

They now have the capability to launch a couple of
hundred tactical nukes w/ the possibility
of producing more if the wanted to.

Kind of made the arab countries stop in their tracks
before launching another massive attack against Israel.

I also haven't mentioned that the nukes Israel has
now are tritium-enriched 3rd Generation nuclear
weapons w/ a 475 KT capability.

Thank god they don't have THERMO-nuclear
capabilty.i.e. Hydrogen bomb. which has
a capability of 5MT or 5000KT.


Godspeed
 
<shakes head>

a government that unstable and u give them nukes.....are they ICBM capable or are the missles they are using those short range ones like the russians kept to keep the iron curtain in line.

thats some crazy shit....:o
 
Well, they don't have either the launchers or the
ICBM capabilty yet. However, they don't really need
to.
Why?

All they would need to do is remove the conventional
missiles from an F-16 and re-fit it with the 475KT
nuke. Then, each F-16 could one-way their Nuke
about 1000-1400km. Which is well within
the range of most of the arab countries.
Hell, if they wanted to they could re-fuel the bird with a
tanker and go for 2000Km.

Godspeed
 
fonz i was actually just looking at the possible (albeit v.unrealistic) ability of the israelis to launch a nuclear attack on another country.

i was just curious as to if they could light up the sky if they really wanted to.
 
Right now, Israel coud obliterate all the arab
countries surrounding it. And IMO, they
could do it with conventional weapons.
They wouldn't even have to go nuclear.

Hell, in desert storm the Iraqi's were
just beginning to use the GPS
system. How's that for technology......LOL

Godspeed
 
"lets be honest here, have you ever seen a good looking arab? i think not."

Clam...not only are you biased...but a racist.
I'd like to know, what Arab countries have you visited/lived in?
 
Arabs look a hell of a lot better then the deformed Jews. It's cause of all that inbreeding after Hitler killed them all.


(that was a bearded clam style comeback)

Clam i never bitch. Shut ur ugly ass up u dyke.

peace :fro:
 
Again, speaking as a Jew here... the Arabs are almost indistinguishable from Sephardic Jews in appearance. Just as Sephardic Jews very closely resembly Greeks, Italians, and most other Mediterranean peoples.
In America, most people associate the appearance of Askenazic (Eastern European) Jews with what they consider to be stereotypical Jewish features.

Also, all that BS about Ashkenazic Jews not really being Jews is BS that you'll find almost exclusively on White Supremist websites.

And how about people posting some sources instead of passing of their own hearsay to the credulous masses as gospel truth? I mean, some of the claims being made on this thread are really way the fuck out there.

For those disagree with my original posts on this thread regarding the history of Israel and the mythical state of "Palestine," please feel free to offer dissenting opinion, bbut let's try to back them up with at least a few facts that are independently verifiable, how about?
 
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Again, speaking as a Jew here... the Arabs are almost indistinguishable from Sephardic Jews in appearance. Just as Sephardic Jews very closely resembly Greeks, Italians, and most other Mediterranean peoples.
In America, most people associate the appearance of Askenazic (Eastern European) Jews with what they consider to be stereotypical Jewish features.

Also, all that BS about Ashkenazic Jews not really being Jews is BS that you'll find almost exclusively on White Supremist websites.

And how about people posting some sources instead of passing of their own hearsay to the credulous masses as gospel truth? I mean, some of the claims being made on this thread are really way the fuck out there.

For those disagree with my original posts on this thread regarding the history of Israel and the mythical state of "Palestine," please feel free to offer dissenting opinion, bbut let's try to back them up with at least a few facts that are independently verifiable, how about?
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Everythng I've said is true.

I didn't put the jews down, I merely mentioned
some facts that have been swept under-the-rug
so-to-speak.
The control the media has on the US population
is very pronounced. And guess who controls
the media?
And as far as references, It's impossible for me
to try to put into words 4 years of research into
the field of avioncs/nuclear physics etc...
among other things.
Its all in your national archives(US). You just have to
go there and ask for them. Its your right!!

Godspeed
 
well about the looks of arabs,
u know nadia in American Pie and American Pie 2???
she is an arab (go read her bio u fucking idiots)
there are good looking people in any nation...ok except fucking indians(asia), they only have 1 good looker for 1 million ugly ones eeewwww
as i say..clam has said he care more about USA, so its cool..as long as he and all here want the roids legalize!!! I am all for u all!!!
 
well are u sdaying blacks are ugly people??? lol..well i cant see how good looking girl from ugly piece of shit, but i would fuick her any day!!! now only if she was white, but oh well
 
What do you mean by arabs Bearded Clam? I think you don´t know what an arab is...
Most of the jews look like most of the palestinians... You can´t see the difference by physicall apperance... They´re dark skinned...
The jews you talk about are those from eastern europe who migrated to USA... And Judaism is not an ethnicity, its a religion... 35% of the german jews were blonde... The percentage of blonde jews in Israel i don´t know, but it won´t be more than 5% for example...
 
obelix-220 said:
dont ya think its kinda funny how many of the ppl on this board get their info's and history back ground from tv talk shows and mtv ,,
anyway i think if anyone want to have or to at least have a clear idea about the situation is to get some books and read some real stuff about it , and then form his own point of view , thats all .
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I have refrained from posting on this thread for this exact same reason. Most of the people on this board are very ignorant on this matter (and not just this matter), and the "facts" that they get from the media are only feeding into their pre-existing stereotypes (just read this entire thread).

Pathetic, really.
 
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