Cycle before or after cut?

[Fitzhornos]

Hi,

I have read a lot of different opinions on this subject so thought id ask for peoples experiences on here.

Is it best to cut first and then get on a cycle to gain? or is it best to bulk up with a cycle and then cut?

 

[MaxxReps]

Almost always cut first.

First, you have less estrogenic sides with lower body fat while on cycle
Also - should never cut through PCT and at least in my opinion and experience - from a mental perspective cutting is hard. I find it easier to cut with the 'reward' being a cycle. Going from a feel awesome / eat lots cycle to off gear / cutting is hard mentally. Best avoid that situation.

 

[Fitzhornos]

Thanks,

Thats what way round i was thinking too.

Im currently at about 15% bf so at a point where i could go either way. Ill aim for closer to 10% and then look to gain (lean mass hopefully)

 

[Trueloveisheavy2]

I gotta agree with Maxreps here.

 

[gymrat827]

Almost always cut first.

First, you have less estrogenic sides with lower body fat while on cycle
Also - should never cut through PCT and at least in my opinion and experience - from a mental perspective cutting is hard. I find it easier to cut with the 'reward' being a cycle. Going from a feel awesome / eat lots cycle to off gear / cutting is hard mentally. Best avoid that situation.

this....

or your cut could end up cutting a lot of new muscle off your frame. You still wana bulk in a sense during pct, or you can also risk losing a lot of new muscle.

 

[dylangemelli]

i would run a sarms triple stack... get yourself in excellent shape and condition for your cycle... sarms will get you there... you always want to be in the best condition possible before running a cycle... here is the stack...

1-12 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 10-20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout… SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-12 “liquidex" n2bm.com
1-12 Yohimflame n2bm.com
3-7 9-12 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

Mini pct 13-16

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com
gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

 

[EZ_E]

This is what most guys do so I think it's the right protocol:

Half ass it for a good 6 months or so eating shit, drinking, and going thru the motions @ the gym. Then run a cycle thinking it will work like magic beans. Make sure you bump up the doses to ridiculous level, too cuz more juice = more gains right?

Then run little to no PCT & go right back to half assing it.

 

[Fitzhornos]

That sounds like a good plan. However after already training for 6 years (ill admit 2 of thoses were "going through the motions") i cant follow that too closely. My diet is 99% there and rarely drink anything. The cycle i was looking at was a simple 400-500mg per week test e cycle. Nothing else other than AI's and PCT. Depending on results i can tweek it and concider upping it or adding other things