critique my 1st cycle

[boostboy]

Ive done alot of research and have put together my first cycle. You guys on here seem to be pretty nolegiable and straight up, tell me what you think.
Age:32
Weight:215
Bf% no idea but id guess around 15%
Been working out and training off and on for 8yrs or so

My cycle:
1-4 dbol 30mg a week
1-12 test e 500mg a week
1-10 tren e 400mg

Pct:
Nola 50/50/20/20
Clomid 20/20/20/20
Daa
Liver-52
Eating aroud 3500-4000 calories a day and 300-350gm of protein. Am i missing anything??

 

[deejleos]

personally i wouldnt run tren yet if you dont have any cycle experience. the dbol and test e look alright, i would also recommend using a AI due to the fact both those compounds convert to estrogen and you wanna try and keep your water retention down. For your pct i would drop the nolva, low dose clomid with some unleashed is good stuff and daa is also very good. if your eating good and lifting nice and heavy u should get some great bulk outta that cycle.

 

[boostboy]

Thanks for the advise might save the tren for a cut cycle. Clomid and unleashed would that be enough for pct? What about prs erase for on cycle

 

[AV Cypress]

Deejleos has a point about the tren, the sides can hit certain people like a ton of bricks. If you are dead set on taking it the do tren ace because it is out of your system faster if you can handle the sides. Other than that doesn't look too bad. Everyones chemistry is different so what happens during your first may not have happened to others or visa versa. Good luck and BLOOWORK BLOODWORK BLOOWORK!

 

[dylangemelli]

bro, this is a mess... you should never even consider tren as a first cycle... and you SHOULD NEVER run nolva with a 19-nor... that is a horrible thing... nolva is garbage anyway bro... just stick with test and dbol... that's a good first cycle...

1-12 test e 500 mg week
1-12 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-4 dbol 30 mg day
1-4 n2guard
7-14 hcg 500 iu's week or hcgenerate

pct week 15-18

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]clomid 25/25/25/25 chemicalneed.com
Unleashed/post cycle combo
forma stanzol mrsupps.com
daa powerchews or powder

optional
ostarine 25 mg day uniquemicals.com[/FONT]

 

[boostboy]

Ive been reading alot through this forum and a lot of people agree that tren is not good for a first cycle. Im going to save it for a cutting cycle and just go with test and dbol. What can i do to try and cut down on the water retention from the dbol so i dont look puffy? I appreciate everyone's input i want to make sure i have everything covered.

 

[joeblow12345]

The aromasin will keep bloat in check.

NTBM REP

 

[boostboy]

Sweet deal bro ill try it out, thanks

 

[maccy]

Could even chuck anavar or winny on the back end if your trying to stay lean aswell

"obsessed is what the lazy call the motivated"

 

[boostboy]

I thought about adding a little bit of var toward the end, what would be the best doseage for ending a cycle on var?

 

[ajperretta]

For me, dbol adds way too much water weight. If you don't have aromasin or arimadex, i'd suggest cutting it out of your first cycle. You might end up with blood pressure issues too early into your cycle.

I've heard both sides on nolvadex. Some people say it's no good, but I was fine with it. I can't say whether or not it will work for you.

I'd just run test for about 8-10 weeks. You will be able to see how your body responds to just one thing. If you run too many compounds, and have side effects, there is no way to know for sure which one is giving you trouble. You will get great gains on just test. Go simple because test will be your base for future cycles and you need to know how you respond to it. If you want to run more compounds later, at least you have a base to build from and then you can adjust dosages on the other compounds if you get side effects.

 

[dylangemelli]

For me, dbol adds way too much water weight. If you don't have aromasin or arimadex, i'd suggest cutting it out of your first cycle. You might end up with blood pressure issues too early into your cycle.

I've heard both sides on nolvadex. Some people say it's no good, but I was fine with it. I can't say whether or not it will work for you.

I'd just run test for about 8-10 weeks. You will be able to see how your body responds to just one thing. If you run too many compounds, and have side effects, there is no way to know for sure which one is giving you trouble. You will get great gains on just test. Go simple because test will be your base for future cycles and you need to know how you respond to it. If you want to run more compounds later, at least you have a base to build from and then you can adjust dosages on the other compounds if you get side effects.

running test e or cyp for 8 weeks is a complete waste and that's not good advice to be giving a first time user... 10 weeks would be the minimum and 12 is the average... the only time he would run test 8 weeks would be if he was running prop and there again would not be a good thing to run as a first cycle... the longer esters don't even start to kick in until week 5...

 

[dylangemelli]

I thought about adding a little bit of var toward the end, what would be the best doseage for ending a cycle on var?

60 mg the first four weeks and then bump to 80 mg the last two weeks

 

[ajperretta]

running test e or cyp for 8 weeks is a complete waste and that's not good advice to be giving a first time user... 10 weeks would be the minimum and 12 is the average... the only time he would run test 8 weeks would be if he was running prop and there again would not be a good thing to run as a first cycle... the longer esters don't even start to kick in until week 5...

I'm just going from experience and from what the guys at my gym have done and had success with. I realize 12 is average. I ran 9 weeks of test at low levels and still put on 11 lbs of lean mass. Even at 8 weeks, I would have had similar gains. I didn't feel like it was a waste not to run 12 weeks. I didn't prepare for sides, so i quit at 9 weeks due to bloating. OP may have the same issue, but if not, he can always extend the cycle.

 

[jcmbbfuture]

I wouldn't say 8 weeks is a waste. 4 weeks or so is when u reach peak levels and over the next 2-4 weeks is where u will see the greatest growth and progress. U can yield good results on 8 weeks. U will still grow in to weeks 9-10 but they growth will most likely be marginal in comparison. I would personally go 10 but 12 is unnecessary for a 1st time.

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