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Critique Doctor Prescribed "Cycle"

chubbyguy

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First of all, I'm not a bodybuilder or even much of an athlete. I was prescribed steroids by a doctor for a chronic leg condition. I began the cycle and started doing research and stumbled across this site. Even though my goals are different than yours, I've learned a lot from these discussion boards and I'm hoping you'll help me out.

Not sure if it's relevant in my case, but out of respect for the rules the following are my stats:

Age 35. Weight 200. I don't know my body fat, but everyone on this board could call me morbidly obese. In the real world, I'm somewhat overweight. I carry most of my weight around the waist and have a small gut. I've never done any kind of steroids before. My typical workout routine (before starting this cycle) was a twice weekly game of racquetball and the occasional run. My diet historically is pretty bad, but I've cleaned it up since I began these prescriptions. I eat only high protein and vegetables. No bread or junk food. (Again, this is only over the short term. Before this, I was a moderately healthy eater at home but eat a lot of garbage when I'm on the road, which is a lot.)

I'm sure that the first three or four posters will be dying to blast me for taking steroids before I got my exercise and diet under control. Keep in mind that I just went into a doctor's appointment and came out with a bunch of prescriptions. I'm not a kid trying to get big and following the advice of his gym buddies.

I'm currently in week nine of the following cycle (all prescribed by my doctor):

week 1-6
Deca (nandrolone decanaote) 200mg 1x week
Test Cyp 200mg 2x week

week 6-12
deca 300mg 1x week
Test Cyp 300mg 2x week

week 2-14.5
hcg 200u 2x week

week 2-15
Arimidex 0.5mg po every other day

week 12-15
Test 300mg 2x week

week 15-19
Clomid 150mg every day for 10 days then 100mg for 10 days then 50mg for 10 days

A few things to note:
1. My doctor prescribed deca because it was easy to get, inexpensive, and the sides are low compared to other steroids. It's also the steroid that has the most research backing it, in terms of effectiveness/long term risks/etc.
4. My exercise routine is not hardcore, but I workout about one hour a day with a fairly basic routine (except on leg day I have very specific exercises designed to help my condition).
5. Strength gains have been great. My legs feel much better. Upper body strength has increased. I'm still chubby, but there is a noticeable difference in my appearance.
6. I wouldn't even know how to start finding anything other than what I was prescribed.
7. I haven't experienced any noticeable sides, except slightly oily skin.

Some questions in particular (but I'd like any feedback):
1. I'm worried about the sexual side affects associated with deca. My libido is normally very good. Right now, it's better than it's ever been. Should I expect troubles once I come off this cycle? Anything I can do to mitigate it?
2. I think it's normally a bad idea to take steroids while overweight because (1) discipline isn't where it needs to be and most people won't benefit as much as they would, (2) lower benefit means risk/reward ratio is skewed against taking steroids, and (3) steroids can be harder on the body for someone that isn't in good shape to start. Are there any other concerns that I should be aware of in light of my high body fat %?
3. I'm sure my doctor has no idea about what PCT is or what supplements are pushed on this board. I'm happy to hear if you think anything else is necessary, other than the clomid. I'm also worried that the clomid dosage might be way too high and that I may need something else to aid with recovery or transition back.
4. It seems that you guys normally use HCG to kickstart your PCT. My doctor prescribed it throughout. Should that worry me?
5. As I mention above, I've had no trouble with sides. Should I expect any sides to kick in late in the cycle?

Thank you in advance for your comments and advice.
 
I was in an accident several years ago and have had a difficult time with strength in one of my legs. The doctor believe this would help, and it has so far. It's got me to the point where I can exercise the leg without pain. We don't know if this will help me long term.

I'm not a troll. My request for advice was genuine. (If I'm a troll, I'm not a very clever one.) If you want to assume that it wasn't prescribed that's fine, but please let me know if I should have any concerns or if anything about the cycle he set up for me is alarming, esp if there are any risks associated with the PCT (or lack of a more robust PCT).
 
^^^ WHAT TYPE OF DOCTOR is this?

damn right you should be concerned.

first off deca isn't the name of an AAS. lets get that out of the way first. deca is the name of an ester.. what you are reffering to is nandrolone which has a reputation for causing major problems with libido, gyno and other progesterone related problems.
 
Deca low sides?
What a joke.


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Stevesmi -

I get that deca is the name of the esther. My understanding was that nandrolone decanaote is commonly referred to as deca. I'm new, so forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong about that. I also understand that it has a reputation for causing problems, which is why I'm reaching out to you guys to help determine if what I was prescribed is the best that can be done to mitigate those problems.
 
Stevesmi -

I get that deca is the name of the esther. My understanding was that nandrolone decanaote is commonly referred to as deca. I'm new, so forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong about that. I also understand that it has a reputation for causing problems, which is why I'm reaching out to you guys to help determine if what I was prescribed is the best that can be done to mitigate those problems.

okay I believe you are not a troll..

I would recommend stopping taking this.

what exactly is your injury? i think going to a general practicioner for an injury is a bad idea. they really have no clue what they are doing 99% of the time. injuries can be fixed with rest and physical therapy, drugs and AAS will make them worse

really most doctors can do nothing for your injuries and a good one will tell you to rest it, the ones that start writing you prescriptions are the ones trying to milk you for as much money as they can.

many times surgeries are done when they aren't necessary as well. we see this all the time in professional sports, short term the player gets relief, long term those many surgeries come back to bite them but the team doesn't care about their players long term health, they just want them fixed and on the field!!
 
Yes I agree with Steve.
How much physical therapy have you had?


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I haven't had any physical therapy. The nature of the injury is such that it doesn't affect me day-to-day, but I get severe pain in one leg when participating any any athletic activities for an extended period of time. I've exercised it extensively and one leg progresses, but other leg does not. Before I started this cycle, one leg looked fit and the other looked out of shape. My insurance wouldn't cover physical therapy.

If I take your advice and drop it during week 9 (just a few weeks short), do I still proceed with the clomid? I assume that the answer is "yes." If so, do I need to do anything else to limit side or long term problems?
 
hahaha wow there is that option too.
 
You know what......after reading that "cycle" again....I just cant bring myself to believe that it was doctor perscribed. really...600mg test wk? 150mg clomid?

Sounds like a classic moron taper up/down cycle with old school idiot pct.

The wording of your post...
"I'm sure that the first three or four posters will be dying to blast me for taking steroids before I got my exercise and diet under control. Keep in mind that I just went into a doctor's appointment and came out with a bunch of prescriptions. I'm not a kid trying to get big and following the advice of his gym buddies."

I think this guy cooked up what he thought was a good idea then realized he was in over his head.

Troll.
 
Burnthiscorpse - The reason I'm on this board is because I'm looking into those issues (libido, gyno, etc.). It's probably strange to you because this board is for athletes that use this stuff regularly and know it inside out, but when a doctor gives me something I didn't think to question it too much. Eventually I did some research and that led me here. I am hoping for something more than people telling me I'm an idiot. If you could assume I'm not a troll for a minute, and share with me what I could do to improve this (esp on the PCT), I'm genuinely interested in the feedback. My inclination right now is to stop the nandrolone and to cut the cycle short.

This is also probably hard to believe, but I've seen nothing on the web that would make me "cook this up." As far as I can tell, no one really uses deca anymore and I'd have no idea how to get it without a prescription. And one of the main reasons I created this thread is because I agree that the "PCT" (your words not my doctors) doesn't seem right. Threads are inconsistent, but the clomid dose seems high at best. At worse, I should be doing something else entirely.

I'm not sure what it is about the post that makes you think I'm a troll. Sticking my neck out and sounding like a moron with a bunch of guys that clearly know more about this stuff than I do is not my idea of a good time. The only reason I have to post is because I want some substantive feedback.
 
Drop the nandrolone now. Get a proper pct together and drop the whole cycle now. Its a very very bad idea in your situation. Its going to do nothing to help you. There a re a thousand thread here on Proper PCT.


...and yes...there are many people here who really know their shit. Some who know a good deal. Some who shouldnt be giving advice to others because they are careless with there own shit. Some who are just plain stupid and shouldnt be touching AAS ever. And some who should just be drawn and quartered. Threads like yours happen all the time but with people that just think its a good idea to "jump on some roids". So you'll have to forgive the hardcore skeptics like myself because we see it ALL the time. If you want a prime example of what I mean go to the search engine and type in threads started by Criminal10DinC and read away you'll understand why some of us are the way we are.

Get yourself off the cycle safely as soon as possible. If its something you want to consider for the future then this is the place to learn about it in all aspects. You need to be physically healthier (body fat wise especially) before steroids because they can cause problems in an overweight high BF% person that they wouldnt cause in a person who is in good shape before hand.
 
I think you really need to get your diet in order and at the same time find some form of excersize that doesn't cause the pain. You need to keep that leg doing soemthing so it doesn't atrophy to worthlessness...
 
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