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Adaptek
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I like it on cycles, do a search you will get good info on this.
MikeyLikesJuice
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i won't do a cycle without creatine, very important especially for bulking.
(with breaks of course).. So i guess im always on it..
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manny78
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i remember a post from Huclckeberry about the effects of creatines while on juice. Seems great especially with sust...
mrhamilton
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when i am trying to lean out a bit i avoid creatine to help cut some water retention, but otherwise i feel that it helps keep a solid foundation.
PimpnAintEasy
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Creatine is best when cycled. 8 weeks on followed by 4 off is suggested by Creapure.com. I like to time this with my cycles, so that I am on the first 7 or 8 weeks of a cycle, and after 4 off, start again when going off my cycle (good to use as part of your post cycle gainskeeping strategy). Also creatine does not necessarily cause you to retain sub Q H20, nor does it make you fat. It causes you to retain Intramuscular H20 which gives your muscles a fuller effect---a desired effect while either bulking or cuttting, not to mention gives great strength gains.
badgermilk
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Gains without the juice!!!!!
I used to own a health club and I got about 7 guy's who were serious lifters who all agreed to be lab rats and try several different types of creatine, a few were Sport pharma, Ted arcidi, Weider, EAS as well as several others. I wish I could remember all of them but it was a while ago. Any way none of us saw any gains at all on any of the products with the exception of the EAS powder form. We all gained 10 or 12lbs. One guy who was very thin but wanted to try it got sick every time he took it, other then that this stuff was AWESOME!!! I gained 12lbs and was incredibly strong, looked full. I held a little water but did keep most of the gains. I had everyone take the loading dose that is recommended on the bottle for the entire cycle which was two bottles worth, I think they were the 325mg bottles. Hope this helps....
If I take creatine without juice I can easily put 20-25lbs on my bench!
I think that is incredible! I was doing negatives with 505lbs when my regular bench routine included 3 sets of 3 with 380lbs....
My .2 cents...
I used to own a health club and I got about 7 guy's who were serious lifters who all agreed to be lab rats and try several different types of creatine, a few were Sport pharma, Ted arcidi, Weider, EAS as well as several others. I wish I could remember all of them but it was a while ago. Any way none of us saw any gains at all on any of the products with the exception of the EAS powder form. We all gained 10 or 12lbs. One guy who was very thin but wanted to try it got sick every time he took it, other then that this stuff was AWESOME!!! I gained 12lbs and was incredibly strong, looked full. I held a little water but did keep most of the gains. I had everyone take the loading dose that is recommended on the bottle for the entire cycle which was two bottles worth, I think they were the 325mg bottles. Hope this helps....
If I take creatine without juice I can easily put 20-25lbs on my bench!
I think that is incredible! I was doing negatives with 505lbs when my regular bench routine included 3 sets of 3 with 380lbs....
My .2 cents...
badgermilk
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Bump....
My policy on it is if you can afford it,then by all means take it with A/S as the two potentiate one another...Here's an old post of mine that sheds some light on some of creatine's positive interactions with androgens...
Hey fellas.Just dug up an interesting read out of one of my old Ironman mags.The following excerpts are providided by the notorious Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...Well fellas,it looks like it might be a good idea to stock up on creatine when you're grabbing your protein powder for those bulking cycles,hehheh....Huck
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Hey fellas.Just dug up an interesting read out of one of my old Ironman mags.The following excerpts are providided by the notorious Michael Gundill(a.k.a. Dharkam)....Although creatine does have testosterone-like effects,it doesn't act as a steroid hormone.Instead,it's a mediator of some of the androgens' anabolic effects.In fact,steroid users get far more out of their cycles if they take in massive amounts of creatine along with the drugs.Androgens are among the hormones that can force the entry of creatine into muscle cells.While there's a clear relationship between muscle strength gains and increases in muscle creatine stores,unfortunately,the relationship is not as obvious when it comes to increases in muscle mass.Animal-based studies have shown that the muscles of untrained rats take up as much creatine as the muscles of trained rats,but the ANABOLIC effects of creatine are only obvious in trained rats.Therefore,training increases the muscles sensitivity to the anabolic actions of creatine.(Although it's not related to this article,the study also demonstrated that the anabolic effects of creatine are DIRECT,and not mediated by waterretention.In fact,in the 1970s American and Russian studies pointed out a DIRECT anabolic effect of creatine on muscle cells.)Testosterone increases the muscles'sensitivity to the anabolic properties of creatine in addition to enhancing the creatine buildup in muscle fibers.It's also obvious that part of the strength gains people experience while on steroids are mediated by an increase in muscle creatine stores.An interesting discovery A/S users have made is that they should dramatically increase their creatine intake during a cycle to boost the potency of the steroids.Thanks to creatine,people can build more muscle mass with fewer drugs.Anecdotal evidence from A/S users points out that it takes at least 10-15 grams(maintenance)of creatine a day to visibly enhance the the anabolic potency of a steroid stack.There are probably good reasons for the increased creatine requirement when androgen levels are high.As mentioned above,steroids increase the muscle uptake of creatine,and if the muscles are ready to accept more creatine,why not give it to them?I also think that even though steroids enhance creatine synthesis,they may increase creatine degradation as well-so more creatine is used up every day.That could be due to an increase in muscle creatine turnover and also the fact that an elevated muscle protein synthesis rate will likely consume creatine at a faster rate.Other reasons for a higher creatine requirement may be indirect.Because the muscles of drug users are stronger and receive more training,they may waste greater amounts of creatine during training.Once inside the muscle,creatine provides not only an anabolic effect,but also a rapidly mobilized source of fuel.Muscle protein synthesis is a process that wastes great amounts of energy.Anabolism is an ATP-dependent process,which means that it's essential for protein synthesis.If the cellular level of ATP is reduced even a little,IT STOPS ANABOLISM.So even if you can increase the testosterone content of your muscles,nothing will happen if your ATP level is low.Creatine supports anabolism by providing energy to the muscle...Well fellas,it looks like it might be a good idea to stock up on creatine when you're grabbing your protein powder for those bulking cycles,hehheh....Huck
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IL-13 immortalisrex
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AAS increase creatine stores in muscle tissue , so if your not supplementing with extra creatine you will be selling yourself short.
MikeyLikesJuice
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creatine like I said before I always use in a cycle
JuanDeLaCruz
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DON'T NEED IT....YOU THINK ARNOLD AND FRIENDS USED CREATINE BACK IN THE DAY??? Just eat a lot of steak and sh*t and you'll be straight 
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