Could use some help planning my next cycle

[Irongame427]

Whats up guys,

5'11
230lbs about 14%bf
6 yrs training


I do need help with my next cycle Its going to be a recomp/cut. Planning on running it for 16 weeks with a 500mg test e base. I want to run anavar for the last 8 weeks or so around 75mgs a day. Im going to kickstart it with prop for the first 4 weeks. The only thing I am undecided about is if I want to use NPP for the first 6 weeks. I want to add some mass the first 6 weeks before I go into a full blown cut. So I guess I want to keep calories around maintenance or slightly above for the first 6 weeks, and then drop into a deficit for the last 10 weeks. Do you think NPP would be a good compound to help add some muscle the first 6 weeks?. I know tren would be perfect but I dont think im ready for it. Thanks guys

 

[dylangemelli]

Whats up guys,

5'11
230lbs about 14%bf
6 yrs training


I do need help with my next cycle Its going to be a recomp/cut. Planning on running it for 16 weeks with a 500mg test e base. I want to run anavar for the last 8 weeks or so around 75mgs a day. Im going to kickstart it with prop for the first 4 weeks. The only thing I am undecided about is if I want to use NPP for the first 6 weeks. I want to add some mass the first 6 weeks before I go into a full blown cut. So I guess I want to keep calories around maintenance or slightly above for the first 6 weeks, and then drop into a deficit for the last 10 weeks. Do you think NPP would be a good compound to help add some muscle the first 6 weeks?. I know tren would be perfect but I dont think im ready for it. Thanks guys

there's no need to kickstart with prop because your going to run either npp or an oral to start your cycle... i would go with tbol for six weeks to kick start... there is no need to run this cycle 16 weeks unless you add eq, which would be a great addition...

1-16 test e 350-500 mg week
1-16 eq 600-800 mg week
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 n2guard
7-18 gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
7-14 hcgenerate es
15-16 hcg 500 ius week
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 winstrol 50 mg day
13-18 n2guard

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



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[Irongame427]

there's no need to kickstart with prop because your going to run either npp or an oral to start your cycle... i would go with tbol for six weeks to kick start... there is no need to run this cycle 16 weeks unless you add eq, which would be a great addition...

1-16 test e 350-500 mg week
1-16 eq 600-800 mg week
1-8 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 n2guard
7-18 gw-501516 20 mg day
7-14 hcgenerate es
15-16 hcg 500 ius week
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 winstrol 50 mg day
13-18 n2guard

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day



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Thanks for the advice and detailed response. So the reason for running this cycle for 16 weeks is because I want to add some mass to lagging muscle groups and then go into a full blown cut. the first 6 weeks I want to keep calories around maintenance or slightly above to add some mass/recomp, and then use the last 12 weeks to cut. I know its ideal either cut or bulk but like I said I need some more muscle in a few places. I dontt know to much about eq, other than the fact that it increase hunger. I dont think this would be very beneficial during a cutting cycle. Do you think its a good compound to use during cutting? I figured Npp would have been good because its quick acting and very anabolic so it would help me add some muscle the first 6 weeks. I wouldnt be opposed to using Tbol the first 6 weeks and avoid the shutdown caused by 19-nors. And the reason I picked anavar instead of winstrol is hair loss concern. Would love to use winny as its so much cheaper but Im just worried about losing my hair.

Weeks 1-16 Test E 500mgs p/w
Weeks 1-4 Test p 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-6 Npp 100mgs EOD or Tbol 60mgs ED and no Test P
Weeks 10-18 Anavar 75mgs ED? not sure about dosage.
weeks 18-22 pct Nolva/Clomid
Weeks 3-18 Hcg 500ius P/W

Im not familiar with Hcg Generate or the other other products from N2BM but I will look into them for sure. I also have very limited knowledge of Sarms and how much they can help. What do you think about this plan?

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for the advice and detailed response. So the reason for running this cycle for 16 weeks is because I want to add some mass to lagging muscle groups and then go into a full blown cut. the first 6 weeks I want to keep calories around maintenance or slightly above to add some mass/recomp, and then use the last 12 weeks to cut. I know its ideal either cut or bulk but like I said I need some more muscle in a few places. I dontt know to much about eq, other than the fact that it increase hunger. I dont think this would be very beneficial during a cutting cycle. Do you think its a good compound to use during cutting? I figured Npp would have been good because its quick acting and very anabolic so it would help me add some muscle the first 6 weeks. I wouldnt be opposed to using Tbol the first 6 weeks and avoid the shutdown caused by 19-nors. And the reason I picked anavar instead of winstrol is hair loss concern. Would love to use winny as its so much cheaper but Im just worried about losing my hair.

Weeks 1-16 Test E 500mgs p/w
Weeks 1-4 Test p 100mgs EOD
Weeks 1-6 Npp 100mgs EOD or Tbol 60mgs ED and no Test P
Weeks 10-18 Anavar 75mgs ED? not sure about dosage.
weeks 18-22 pct Nolva/Clomid
Weeks 3-18 Hcg 500ius P/W

Im not familiar with Hcg Generate or the other other products from N2BM but I will look into them for sure. I also have very limited knowledge of Sarms and how much they can help. What do you think about this plan?

you most certainly can cut with eq but if you don't want to do that then what about primo? bro, you don't need to load with test prop... your already going to use tbol, there's no need for test prop... run anavar at 60 mg day and then bump it to 80 mg after a few weeks if your not getting side effects... you can run primo at 600 mg week... nothing is going to help you cut like running gw-501516 and s4 on this cycle... if you run those the last twelve weeks along with anavar, you will have a much better time getting your goals...that pct is absolutely horrible that you have listed... especially on a cycle this long... you will not recover properly and will have a much harder time keeping gains... here, try this instead...

1-16 test e 500 mg week
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 n2guard
7-18 gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
7-18 s4 50 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
7-14 hcgenerate es
15-16 hcg 500 ius week
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 anavar 60 mg day
13-18 n2guard

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators



USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…

 

[Irongame427]

you most certainly can cut with eq but if you don't want to do that then what about primo? bro, you don't need to load with test prop... your already going to use tbol, there's no need for test prop... run anavar at 60 mg day and then bump it to 80 mg after a few weeks if your not getting side effects... you can run primo at 600 mg week... nothing is going to help you cut like running gw-501516 and s4 on this cycle... if you run those the last twelve weeks along with anavar, you will have a much better time getting your goals...that pct is absolutely horrible that you have listed... especially on a cycle this long... you will not recover properly and will have a much harder time keeping gains... here, try this instead...

1-16 test e 500 mg week
1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 n2guard
7-18 gw-501516 20 mg day
7-18 s4 50 mg day
7-14 hcgenerate es
15-16 hcg 500 ius week
17-18 hcg 1000 ius week
13-18 anavar 60 mg day
13-18 n2guard

pct 19-22

clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com
nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com
phytoserms n2bm.com
hcgenerate n2bm.com
aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com
n2guard n2bm.com
ostarine 25 mg day



USE COUPON CODE DYLAN10 AT NEEDTOBUILDMUSCLE.COM FOR 10% OFF…

That looks like a solid plan man thanks alot. I was only planning on using prop if I did not use an oral to kickstart. I would love to use compounds like primo, tren, winny etc, but I am scared of losing hair. Havent had any problems with test but I really dont want to risk it. Is there any other compounds out there that are good for cutting that have a lower risk of hair loss?. As for the anavar dosage, mine are 25mg tabs so I could either use 50mgs or 75mgs. Do you think I should start at 50 and see how I react or go straight to 75? Ive read countless threads on it but everyone suggests something different.

My next concern is GW-501516. I have done some research and during the testing, it rapidly caused cancer in the rats used for testing. This might not be the case for humans but I havent found anything suggesting its safe.

As for pct, in the past I have done an Hcg blast for 10 days starting 14 days before pct and nolva 40/40/20/20 and recovered fine. My last cycle was 16 weeks and I had blood test done 1 month after pct so two months after my last shot and everything was back to baseline. Figured this time I would use hcg throughout most of the cycle and throw in some clomid. I see that many of you guys on this board dont use this standard pct protocol. Is recovery that much smoother with these different supps? Thanks man

 

[dylangemelli]

That looks like a solid plan man thanks alot. I was only planning on using prop if I did not use an oral to kickstart. I would love to use compounds like primo, tren, winny etc, but I am scared of losing hair. Havent had any problems with test but I really dont want to risk it. Is there any other compounds out there that are good for cutting that have a lower risk of hair loss?. As for the anavar dosage, mine are 25mg tabs so I could either use 50mgs or 75mgs. Do you think I should start at 50 and see how I react or go straight to 75? Ive read countless threads on it but everyone suggests something different.

My next concern is GW-501516. I have done some research and during the testing, it rapidly caused cancer in the rats used for testing. This might not be the case for humans but I havent found anything suggesting its safe.

As for pct, in the past I have done an Hcg blast for 10 days starting 14 days before pct and nolva 40/40/20/20 and recovered fine. My last cycle was 16 weeks and I had blood test done 1 month after pct so two months after my last shot and everything was back to baseline. Figured this time I would use hcg throughout most of the cycle and throw in some clomid. I see that many of you guys on this board dont use this standard pct protocol. Is recovery that much smoother with these different supps? Thanks man

bro, we have touched on gw so much on this board and shown all the studies that completely refute the ONE test they conducted that showed cancer in rats... the doses were so extreme and for such a prolonged period of time... it was more than 25 times the recommended dose for over year... it was crazy... gw is going to maximize your cycle to the most you will ever see...

you don't want to run hcg too long bro... 4 weeks is the most i would run it... it gets very counterproductive if you run it too long... you definitely don't want it in your pct either...

the pct i recommended will give you such a better recovery than the pct you ran before...

you can run tbol on cycle but most cutting steroids are dht...

start your anavar at 50 mg then and assess how you feel after a few weeks... then bump it up...

MAKE SURE YOU ARE USING N2GUARD WITH YOUR ORALS...

 

[RickRock13]

bro, we have touched on gw so much on this board and shown all the studies that completely refute the ONE test they conducted that showed cancer in rats... the doses were so extreme and for such a prolonged period of time... it was more than 25 times the recommended dose for over year... it was crazy... gw is going to maximize your cycle to the most you will ever see...

you don't want to run hcg too long bro... 4 weeks is the most i would run it... it gets very counterproductive if you run it too long... you definitely don't want it in your pct either...

the pct i recommended will give you such a better recovery than the pct you ran before...

you can run tbol on cycle but most cutting steroids are dht...

start your anavar at 50 mg then and assess how you feel after a few weeks... then bump it up...

MAKE SURE YOU ARE USING N2GUARD WITH YOUR ORALS...

Agree completely. GW from www.sarms1.com would be a great addition.