Correct dosage for ru486 - no more decca tits!!

[CYCLEON]

anyone have an idea? iv got a crapload (20mg pills- and DAMN its not cheap, even at bulk!!!) but swear i cant find out proper doseage for an progesterone antagonist sufficient for BB purposes - and im looking everwhere, french, swiss, etc.!!!???!

I know that 600mg is the normal dose for an abortion but Im wondering what is needed for us??? no more decca-tits!!! any help???? Fonz i here u have some experience- heeeelllllllllllpppppp

BTW: looks like its a great cortisol inhibitor as well.

 

[ultragainz]

ok iam going to take a guess here 1 pill eod or e3d

 

[NinjaX]

sounds about right

 

[Medical Detective]

30 mg EOD. will do the trick.
Good Luck.
M.D

 

[ultragainz]

damn iam good

 

[CYCLEON]

Medical Detective - EOD? whats the half life, etc. whered u come up with 30mg?? etc. - not questioning u but just asking, experience, med study, ???

 

[Fonz]

I'm guessing you have the chinese RU-486 right?

They come in 25mg tabs.

I was using the european MIFEGYNE 200mg tablet.

Take 1mg/Kg E3D In my case it was 200mg every
3 days.

30mg EOD won't do squat btw.

Godspeed

 

[CYCLEON]

fonz - oops yep i meant 25mg - thanks i knew ud have already "been there, done that" - did it block the dreaded "decca dick" as well?

 

[CYCLEON]

BTW - i cant imagine the price of the euro stuff. - stil cheaper than gyno surgery!

 

[ultragainz]

damn my friend said he well get me it for $100 for 200 pills if i need it i took 600mgs of deca and was fine so i dont think i need it....he gets it from his work if you wondering..i was thinking the price of this stuff is not that bad so i guess iam wrong

 

[Medical Detective]

Roussel Uclaf claims the half life to be 20hrs.
I feel its closer to 30 hrs, I base this on typically conservative half life estimates released by European Pharma companies. I understand full well the dosage females are given and the dosing schedule. I still however think this is excessive for what you desire. If you need more info seek the FDA report for Mifepristone
released 9/28/00.

http://pharmacology.about.com/healt.../0daily/00news/blnews000928_abortion_pill.htm

Fonz has more experience than I in terms of "Hormone therapy" And has experience with the substance. I am a Physican and I will give you my opinion.

Good Luck,
M.D

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I'm guessing you have the chinese RU-486 right?

They come in 25mg tabs.

I was using the european MIFEGYNE 200mg tablet.

Take 1mg/Kg E3D In my case it was 200mg every
3 days.

30mg EOD won't do squat btw.

Godspeed

is that 1 mg for every kg you weight every 3 days? if you are taking 200mg tabs, that means you weight 440lbs, right? i'm confused.

 

[wesdog]

are we talking about "THE" chinese man? he has this stuff?

 

[CYCLEON]

no - he doesnt. i get it from a manufacturer. BTW: ultra thats a good price - european or chinese?

 

[wesdog]

oh, okay. well, that is still the shit that you got it. i haven't come across it yet.

 

[ultragainz]

my friend said he well mail it to me..

 

[scott825]

Why not just use Proviron

 

[ultragainz]

prov wont do notthing for progesterone.......like if you take deca prov wont to shit

 

[Fonz]

is that 1 mg for every kg you weight every 3 days? if you are taking 200mg tabs, that means you weight 440lbs, right? i'm confused.

LOL. Sorry about that. I meant 1mg/lb every 3 days.

or, since you have the 25mg tabs, 50-75mg ED.

Godspeed

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Don't forget to share and spread the love!!!!! don't be greedy!

 

[decem]

hey cycleon,

i just read on anabolic fitness the other day where some dude did 1000mg deca for 2 weeks. well he was taking 200mg ru-486 EOD, but something came up - he was feeling like shit - i forget details - and his doctor recommended taking 200mg E3D.

he said that his doctor said taking 200mg EOD is the equivalent of taking arimidex to fight gyno from test - whereas 200mg E3D would be more like taking nolva - not as effective but still blocks it.

 

[LloydChristmas]

RU 486 blocks action at the progesterone receptor. Nolvadex blocks estrogen at the estrogen receptor. Arimadex blocks aromataze. I see no correlation between RU 486 and arimadex no matter what the doseage and doseage pattern. Gear that gives you gyno from pregesterone goes through no aromatization like process, the steroid molecule itself attaches to the progesterone receptor and has activity. So, decem while taking 200mg eod may be better, the argument at AF is irrelavant.

 

[CYCLEON]

hmmmmmmmm.......... most interesting, looks like were going to have to conduct "field trials" but where will we find the volunteers??? lol - gonna have to find it cheaper tho.

 

[decem]

RU 486 blocks action at the progesterone receptor. Nolvadex blocks estrogen at the estrogen receptor. Arimadex blocks aromataze. I see no correlation between RU 486 and arimadex no matter what the doseage and doseage pattern. Gear that gives you gyno from pregesterone goes through no aromatization like process, the steroid molecule itself attaches to the progesterone receptor and has activity. So, decem while taking 200mg eod may be better, the argument at AF is irrelavant.

i don't think they were talking about the actual science behind it... simply comparing the effectiveness of 200mg EOD to arimidex and 200mg E3D to nolva. there is "some" relevance there.

 

[enzymus]

Ok ok,

So how much do I need to get if I want to start doing abortions at home?


I'm Curious.....

 

[decem]

ooh.. gyno_milker has a good point. i don't plan on taking huge amounts of deca... but it still might be nice to have some on hand just in case the old lady misses that period.

 

[enzymus]

puuush it uuup

 

[Fonz]

LOL Guys, I see I'm going to have to explain some things about
RU-486.

And btw, Im the oe that did the 2-week 1000mgs/week
Deca cycle w/RU-486.

Firstly, what I meant in my post at AF(everybody ay AF
thought it was clear enough) was that the effctiveness
of the RU-486 at 200mg EOD was as effective in
blocking progesterone as Arimidex was in curtailing
estrogen. I was using an effectiveness comparison
NOT discussing their modes of action.

The problems associated with a 200mg dose EOD(or
1mg/lb EOD) is that cortisol gets suppressed
TOO MUCH.
What happens: Low cortisol levels inhibit protein
degradation BUT also INCREASE recovery time
of pulls/strains etc...
SO, what happenned(I'm assumming you all train relatively
heavy) was that my muscle got very sore, I got some
twitches and some cramps. Nothing major, but
nevertheless noteworthy.
After getting my Med school friend to test cortisol levels
we found that they were a tad too low at the dosage
of RU-486 I specified above.

We therefore had two options:
1. Keep the dosage the same but ADD cortisone shots.
2. Lower the dosage, and let some of the progestins
latch on to their respective receptors.
(This isn't altogether so bad because progesterone
is LIPOLYTIC)

Obviously choice #1 is out of the question unless you want
arthritis by the time you're 30, so I went wth option
#2.
We therefore lowered the dosage to 200mg E3D(1mg/lb
E3D) and kept on going.
Well, after that things went GREAT. No cramps ,twitches
pulls etc...
So, the benefits of RU-486 at 1mg/lb E3D:

1. Block progesterone to the same dregree as
Novaldex blocks estrogen.
As a bonus, the progestins that aren't blocked
are lipolytic to boot. Estrogen on the other hand
IS NOT LIPOLYTIC.

2. Blocks endogeneous cortisone to the safest
lowest point. Due to this, protein degradation
is curbed by a fair amount. This alone can yield
10-15% better gains. Also, the specified
dosage does not cause any muscular problems.

3. As far as Deca-dick is concerned, the reason some
people get it is due to the progesterone which
shuts down the HPTA quite severely.
Now, we've PARTIALLY blocked the progesterone
from its receptors w/ the RU, so MOST people will NOT
get Deca-dick.
BUT, highly subsceptble individuals w/ a great
sensitivity to progesterone will experience Deca
dick no matter what.
But as a whole, the majority of the people using
the RU w/ Deca who had Deca-dick in the past will
not get it.

Godspeed

 

[CYCLEON]

the fonz has spoken! - the people listened in awe and wonder as they groveled before his seemingly omnicient presence.

well that says it all - Im assuming I could just as easily break the dose up over the three days to 60-70mg ED? should be ok, i would think - nice that uv got 200mg pills and the long half life make it possibel for u but just easier ED with the 25mg pills!

 

[CYCLEON]

fonz are u saying that with sufficient doses that the HPTA might not fully shut down? id also read about its cortisone blocking properties - wow this actually might make decca worth taking!!!

 

[Fonz]

No. Even with RU the HPTA will be suppressed
faster with Deca than with test.
This is unavoidable.
Progesterone is just more potent at suppressing the
HPTA than estrogen is.
What I strived to do with the RU was to pin-point
a dose that lessened the impact of the progesterone
on my HPTA, while simultaneously blocking most
of the progesterone due to the the nandrolone,
while also still managing to block some cortisol without
interfering with muscle recovery.

Women btw, take 600mg RU-486 every day for 14 days
for abortions. Thats 9 times what we're taking.
This dosage pretty much completely suppresses
progesterone.

Godspeed

 

[DocTodd]

im wondering how safe it is to block your normal cortisol levels.....the body needs corticosteroids for daily function and releases cortisol during times of stress. People who take corticosteroids like prednisone MUST taper it down or else they will DIE from not having any due to their adrenals being shutdown from the exogenous dosage. You mention "the minimum safe level".....how do you know what that level is???

Also, i am almost positive that RU-486 is NOT available in the US by script. So why do people keep asking me for it?


T

 

[DEI]

Great info FONZ.

BTW regarding DocTodd question, Id like to know if there are some other side effects known, related to the use of RU-486, and how deep has this issue been studied, or is it an empirical knowledge only?

 

[manny78]

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