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courtousy of t-mag.com
It was like a scene out of a movie. I was told to drive to a parking lot and wait there for further instructions. I drove there and waited. The lot was empty except for a bank of pay phones. One of them was ringing. Sure enough, the man on the other end was the person I was supposed to interview.
I consider myself lucky that this individual allowed me to interview him. The interview was conducted in this manner to protect him and his identity, as well as yours truly. I don’t know his real name. We agreed this was best to protect both of us.
In this age of the Internet, we’ve seen a plethora of "e-sources" come and go. Most of them "go" into retirement not of their own volition, but because they’re popped by law enforcement. In truth, most of them are popped for being incredibly stupid and naïve. They don’t think they’ll get caught. But as the more intelligent ones know, it’s not if, but merely a matter of when. Eventually we all roll a seven or an eleven in the craps game called steroid dealing.
However, after speaking with this individual for over ninety minutes by phone, I can tell you he’s one of the more intelligent and cautious people I’ve ever spoken with. He fully plans on leaving this "profession" by his own volition, and a lot sooner than many of you think.
Welcome to the world of Generic Agriculture & Chemical (GAC), steroid bootlegger extraordinaire!
T: I understand why you don’t want to provide me with any details about your identity, but making me pick up a pay telephone in a parking lot to conduct this interview? Isn’t that being a tad too paranoid?
GAC: Not in the least. In the last few weeks a lot of people have been popped. There was a large bust in Florida where the source turned Federal informant, so there’s no such thing as being "too careful." Besides, Brock, for all I know you could be working with the Feds. I trust nobody except my partner. That’s right, I don’t trust you, Brock.
I like you and you’re a nice guy but the situation is such that I don’t really know you that well. So you don’t get my name or telephone number. You get nothing to identify who or where I am. If you can’t accept this and if this is an issue I’m going to hang up right now.
T: No, wait! It’s cool with me, I’ll play by your rules and won’t be a pain in the ass about it. But can you at least tell me something about you and what you do? Why do you do it? I have to give T-mag’s readership something. Give me a broad and vague idea of what you’re about, GAC. Should I just call you "GAC"?
GAC: Yep. GAC works fine; call me that. First and foremost, I’m not a source. That means you can’t call me up or contact me and ask me for this or that. I’m a bootleg producer of a very select few interesting products. I became a bootlegger by accident. I’d been working out for a few years and made a choice to try steroids. Like any reasonably intelligent person, I researched the subject of steroid use extensively and decided to try a cycle that I felt was right for me.
You don’t realize this, Brock, but you actually helped me to design my first cycle. About eight months ago, I sent you an e-mail under a bogus name asking for help and you replied with a lengthy explanation for free. I’m grateful for your assistance, so thank you.
T: Um, okay, well, I guess you’re very welcome then. Tell us more about how you got into being a bootlegger. Inquiring minds want to know.
GAC: Well, I decided to try your infamous Gramabol cycle. Both you and the late Dan Duchaine seemed to be in agreement that the first cycle, that virgin cycle, is the best cycle a person will ever have. Both of you suggested using maximum amounts of Testosterone. You also suggested I obtain Arimidex and Profasi to reduce the chance and incidence of estrogenic side effects.
At that time, I only had access to Brovel T-200 and you had strongly suggested that I stay away from Mexican-based gear that was intended for animal use. You continue to preach that Mexican vet products are generally lacking in integrity. I’d ask that you keep preaching this as my experience with Brovel was truly horrible.
T: What happened?
GAC: I didn’t listen to you, of course. I should have, though. I should’ve waited and purchased either Omnadren or Sustanon. But the Brovel gear was cheap and I was impatient. The guy at my old gym said he’d used it with no problems and that Brock Strasser was just a stupid asshole who doesn’t know shit from Shinola. So I listened to him over your advice. I bought six bottles of Brovel T-200 at $35 a pop.
There’s a definite reason that shit is so cheap and it should’ve tipped me off but hey, I was naive. So I loaded up four syringes with the T-200 and shot away on a Sunday night. It didn’t take long for me to profoundly regret this decision. By the following Thursday, I was running a fever of 102 degrees and I felt like absolute shit. Both my ass cheeks felt like someone had sprayed acid on them. My thighs were also red, swollen and radiated heat.
I’d injected 3 cc’s into both ass cheeks and both thighs for 12 cc’s total on that first day. Only five days later, I was really feeling like I wanted to die. I had problems walking and I couldn’t sit down. In every position I tried to sit or lay I was in serious pain. I was in rough shape, brother.
I knew I had massive infections and since I had access to some antibiotics, I started myself on Augmentin (a common antibiotic), hoping it would help me out. On Saturday I was worse than ever despite the antibiotics and I knew I had to go to the hospital or I was going to die from this. So I went to the emergency room and told the physician everything. He was pretty nonjudgmental, which was decent of him. He did some lab work on me and examined my ass cheeks and thighs.
It turns out that I had some serious abscesses, four in total, right where I’d injected in my ass cheeks and thighs. The ER doc drained the abscesses and took out almost 100 cc’s of pus from the four of them. He told me I was very lucky this hadn’t spread to my blood or other organs for surely I’d have died. If I had waited another day… Anyhow, so the doctor put me on intravenous Rocephin and I ended up spending the weekend in the hospital.
T: That completely sucks, but GAC, I’ve told everyone to stay far away from Mexican injectables, most notably the vet stuff by Brovel. Mexican gear, the vet stuff, is notorious for being underdosed as well as dirty.
GAC: Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, Brock. If I’d known this shit was going to happen to me, I would never had used Brovel T-200 or any other Mexican steroid for that matter. Tell all your readers to stay as far away from Mexican gear as possible.
T: So how did this experience turn you into a bootlegger?
GAC: After this disaster, which by the way, took me six weeks to fully recover from, I decided that if I was going to use steroids, I’d only use steroids made for human use and made in the USA or Europe. Problem was, as you know, this stuff is next to impossible to get and is expensive. Since I work in the chemical industry, I found a way to obtain small amounts of powdered steroids and I found a way to have them sent to me in the USA. No, not from the dude selling powdered steroids in five gram packs to everyone else, either.
So I started making stuff for personal use, custom tailoring my products to my personal wants and needs. I also started to supply a few close friends with my products. Before I knew it, word had spread that I was making some incredible stuff. I make sure that my stuff is made in a way that everything is totally sterile and clean. Because of my experience with Brovel’s bacteria-laden shit roids, I’m totally anal retentive about sterility. The few people who know how I make my stuff think I’m crazy for going to the length that I do to make sure it’s clean. But most of these people haven’t had the experience of having four separate infections from using dirty gear, so you’ll have to excuse the overkill.
T: And the rest is history, right?
GAC: Well, almost. I freaked out when people started asking me to make them stuff every time I went to the gym. So I changed gyms and stopped making everything for anyone for about six weeks. Then I had a long philosophical discussion with myself. I decided that I was going to make a few products that interested me and that I’d allow one and only one person to market and sell them for me.
So I did my homework and contacted the guy I felt was the most reliable and best source in North America, a man of impeccable honor and integrity. A man of high intelligence and the utmost caution. I picked him because he had been around for several years and was as careful as I am. The fact he’s been around for three years without being clipped tells me he’s careful. Most of these e-sources last maybe eight or nine months.
I also decided to stop selling at the gym. The only way anyone would be able to get my stuff would be through this one guy I picked. And that’s the way it is now and the way it will be for as long as I’m making products.
T: You used to sell a trenbolone acetate product that people raved about as the best steroid on the planet. I hear that’s over now. What happened?
GAC: Regarding the trenbolone product, I happen to think trenbolone is the best anabolic steroid there is. I did that one for personal reasons. Also, the raw material was readily available in China and I could obtain it. However, a well known new comer to the Mexican vet steroid scene (ahem, Ttokkyo Labs) was about to launch a trenbolone acetate product when they got wind of what I was doing.
Somehow, they managed to get a few vials of my trenbolone acetate and realized there was no way they could compete. I mean, my stuff was better, cleaner, just far superior to anything they could do. And Ttokkyo knew that they would have to price their product for about the same as mine. Well, given the choice between GAC tren or Mexican shit tren, most people would pick mine hands down. So these greedy cum stains called the only supplier of trenbolone acetate overseas and bought every last kilogram of it.
Effectively, this boxed me out of the trenbolone acetate market and I’m 100% out of raw material to make trenbolone acetate. I managed, however, to secure a relatively small amount of trenbolone cyclohexymethycarbonate instead. But I can’t get that again and it did cost me a little more money to source out, too. I decided not to increase product prices though and just lowered my margins. However, when this batch is sold out, I’m totally out of the tren business unless I can find another source in India, Thailand or China.
T: Trenbolone cyclohexymethycarbonate is what was in the old Parabolan made by Negma. Wow! I can’t believe this stuff is available for the first time in years! It sucks that you can’t get tren anymore and I’m sure this will disappoint a lot of people. But I heard that the "powder guy" is going to be selling trenbolone acetate in his line-up in a month or so. If he can get it, why can’t you?
GAC: He can’t get it. He’s either getting base trenbolone with no ester on it or he’s being misled by his supplier. There’s no commercial trenbolone acetate for sale anywhere in kilogram amounts. Someone needs to run an assay on his powder or better still, he should run an assay before selling it.
T: I also hear you make a monster clenbuterol product and something called "Heat Miser." Tell me about these two GAC products.
GAC: Well, the clenbuterol is the best deal on the market for clen, bar none. It’s an oral solution that comes in a 100-ml bottle. Each bottle has the equivalent of 1,000 doses of Oxyflux or Spiropent. Each 1/10 of a milliliter contains 20 mcg of clenbuterol. The cost is only $119 so this is like getting clen for under 12 cent per tablet. Nobody will ever beat that price for sure.
Heat Miser is also an oral solution. Each dose has 25 mcg of T3, 37.5 mcg of clenbuterol and 5.4 mg of yohimbine. It comes in a cool 50-ml bottle and each dose is half a milliliter, so each bottle has 100 doses in it. I threw that one together sort of as a last minute thing as I need to lose some fat for the spring and summer. After trying Heat Miser on myself and seeing it basically melt the fat off me, I thought others might like it too.
T: Any other goodies we can expect from GAC in the future?
GAC: I don’t want to give too much away, but I’ll tell you a few things I’m working on. I’d like to do a multi-dose generic version of Masteron. This will probably be my "trenbolone replacer." Masteron is an awesome drug for hardness and strength. But as you know, it’s like the hardest drug to get from Europe and it costs a shitload! I plan on doing a 10-ml or 20-ml vial at 100 mg/ml. I’m sure the 20 ml will be under $200 making this the best deal on Masteron ever seen.
I had plans to do a really awesome Winstrol clone but unfortunately, someone I trusted to hold onto the raw powder walked off with my supply and disappeared with 2,500 grams of my stanozolol. So that’s on hold indefinitely.
I make products with me in mind though. Call me selfish; I don’t really care. It pisses me off when people say, "Hey GAC, you should make this high dose Testosterone product or you should make this high dose whatever." Sorry, most of the people out there know so little about chemistry that they have no business suggesting I do anything. It’s like this one asshole who wants to know why my trenbolone product is only 76 mg/ml and not 200 mg/ml because "200 mg/ml would be awesome."
T: Ya think?
GAC: You can’t get 200 mg/ml of trenbolone acetate or cyclohexymethycarbonate into an milliliter of any oil without loading up so much benzyl alcohol that you could use the stuff to clean grease off your oven. Look, I’m open to cool ideas but they need to be ideas that do not defy the laws of nature. You wouldn’t believe the stuff people suggest to me on some of the boards. The bottom line is I can make what’s available to me in raw form as well as by my personal choice. That’s what I’ve done and will continue to do.
T: Can you tell us a little bit about how you made your tren product? I mean, you mentioned you’re a little crazy about the sterility issue so detail how you make your stuff and convince me, Mr. Skeptic, that it’s the cleanest thing in town.
GAC: I start off by mixing the trenbolone cyclohexymethycarbonate powder into benzyl alcohol and then I mix this solution into the appropriate amount of sunflower oil. I’ve purchased a 55 gallon drum of ACS-grade sunflower oil. I picked this type of oil because it’s light, is easy to work with, and I happen to like the viscosity of it. Additionally, there are less issues with allergic reactions with sunflower oil than there are with sesame, cottonseed, or corn oil. Because I used high quality oil, it’s not cheap.
So anyhow, I mix up maybe four liters at a time, enough to make 100 multidose vials at 76 mg/ml and 20 ml total volume per vial. Quite obviously, this is not sterile. It’s an intermediary product that needs to be further refined and sterilized.
I sterilize all glassware and tools, both vials as well as all beakers, graduated cylinders, forceps, whatever, in an autoclave before use. I cover the mouth of the vials with aluminum foil. The aluminum flip-top seals as well as the rubber septa sit in undiluted benzyl alcohol until I’m ready to use them. I pack all vials under a negative pressure, externally vented hood. Perhaps to give people a better idea how much time and effort it is involved, let’s follow the production of a single vial of my trenbolone product.
After the aluminum foil-topped vials come out of the autoclave, I put the rack of 100 of them into the vent hood and let them cool for 30 to 45 minutes. I also take the aluminum crimp seals and rubber septa and put them into a beaker containing benzyl alcohol and let them sit for 30 minutes. All this is under the hood. Using a 120-ml syringe and a 100-mm(2) 0.8 micron glass filter, I prefilter 100 to 110 ml of the trenbolone/alcohol/oil solution and place it into a sterile flask with a rubber top. This is done under the fume hood.
Using a sterile, 20-ml syringe and a sterile needle, I withdraw 22 ml of the solution and attach a sterile, 25 mm(2) 0.22 micron cellulose acetate filter and new needle. I put on sterile operating room gloves, grab an empty vial with the foil top and push the needle through the foil. Then I slowly depress the plunger on the syringe so the solution is sterilized through the filter and presto, it ends up in the 20ml vial.
Using a set of stainless steel Kelly forceps, I pick up a rubber septum out of the benzyl alcohol and remove the aluminum foil from the vial. I place the septum into the mouth of the vial and then using the same forceps, I snag an aluminum crimp top and place it on top of the septum. Then I merely crimp it shut. That’s it. I repeat this up to a hundred times in any given week.
T: That sounds quite labor intensive and to be honest, a little excessive, don’t you think?
GAC: It is labor intensive. It’s far more time consuming than that kit you came up with too. Not to knock your kit or anything, but the kit can’t compare with the quality of my product. Honestly, it takes me a total of 15 to 30 minutes to make a single 20-ml vial of my trenbolone product when you factor all the prep work that goes into it. This isn’t easy. But then again, I use all the products I make and I insist that anything that goes into my body being the highest quality, cleanest stuff on planet Earth. I think I’ve accomplished just that.
I realize my trenbolone product ain’t cheap. Hey, quality costs money. If you’re on a budget, go for the pellets and a kit. The extra effort I make, both in time and equipment, is reflected in the higher price. I wish I could do this for less money, but I can’t. Perhaps people could use kits to make their own trenbolone product for one-half or one-third of what mine costs. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t.
I won’t judge you even if you’re making something that almost competes against something I make. I don’t know. What I do know is my stuff is sterile and that’s all I truthfully care about. I’ve sent samples of my products for microbiological assays and they always come back clean. There are also other people who buy tons of Finaplix pellets and make bootleg tren products for a lot less. Almost all of these turn out to be underdosed and complete shit.
There’s never been a single complaint about my tren being underdosed. I’ve never had a single complaint regarding anyone getting hurt or sick using my stuff. That says a lot. Can Brovel or International Pharmaceuticals or Ttokkyo or Loeffler make this kind of a claim? I think not. You get what you pay for.
T: So do you view Ttokkyo and IP as your competition then?
GAC: No, not really, although some people insinuate that Ttokkyo and International Pharmaceuticals are my competition. I don’t see it that way. I do hate Ttokkyo for boxing me out of the tren market. Anyhow, I might make a hundred bottles of trenbolone per week. Ttokkyo will end up making fifty times that. I can’t compete based on sheer numbers alone, nor do I really want to even if I could.
As for International Pharmaceuticals, I appreciate what this bootlegger is trying to do but his stuff has been subject to mixed reviews as far as quality is concerned. Same for Ttokkyo. I know you like Ttokkyo stuff, Brock, but lately is seems that their quality has hit skid bottom.
T: Well, I don’t know if I concur with that opinion about Ttokkyo products, GAC. I do agree that International Pharmaceuticals makes dicey products when it comes to his injectables and I’ve warned people to stay away from those and only buy his oral stuff. IP does make a great 50-mg oral stanozolol product.
GAC: Yeah, IP does make a good oral Winny product. But his injectables, I mean, have you seen his packaging? Or that warning that people need to "bake" his products at 250 degrees in the oven for half an hour before use to sterilize it? What is this, Betty Crocker? Next thing you know, IP will be selling an anabolic fudge brownie product! Browniebol! I love it! Oh well, I suppose people are crazy and are willing to risk it based solely on financial and availability issues.
T: So what do you do for "real work"?
GAC: I’d rather not say too much about it other than I’m a graduate degree level chemist.
T: Why don’t you want to discuss your real job?
GAC: Hey look, if I gave out too much personal information, it would be too easy for law enforcement to track me down and I certainly don’t want that to happen. Neither do my customers, all of them are happy right now as far as I know. So can we change the subject?
T: Sure, okay. There have been a lot of busts in recent weeks of Internet sources. What’s your opinion on why this is happening?
GAC: There are any number of reasons why. People getting caught and ratting other people out is the biggest issue as far as I’m concerned. There’s a rumor that a guy in Florida got popped. I hear he was a big shot ketamine dealer as well as a steroid dealer. The rumor is he got hit while having thousands of bottles of Special K. Cops hate that type of stuff. He was looking at ten years in federal prison unless he rolled. I heard he had a family and all that so yeah, he ratted out everyone on the Internet he supplied.
And since he supplied a lot of other sources — I mean, this Florida guy was supposedly a big time supplier — these Internet based people didn’t stand a chance. They were all set up for controlled deliveries.
The other issue is greed and complacency. People get sloppy, packaging gets sloppy, sources take on too many questionable customers, some are undercover cops or collaborators. There exist many, many more reasons. The Feds are generally not happy with the Internet dealing shit that’s all over the boards and in plain view. They might be able to overlook this but when you factor in that many of these dealers also deal in Ecstasy, K, Nubain, and Valium — because these are high-profit items — and this is what the Feds are really after.
I personally don’t think that there’s any more effort being expended by the Feds to bust Internet dealers now than there was six months ago. It’s just that the current group of e-dealers are all a bunch of fuck-ups for the most part. They get arrogant and cocky. So being inherently stupid as well as ignorant, they make it easy for law enforcement.
T: What precautions are you taking to make sure you don’t get popped?
GAC: Well, I’m not getting into specifics here because if I did that, I might as well just give the Feds a road map as to where I am, who I am, and what I do. I’ll speak in generalities here. I have one and only one marketer. I don’t sell to individuals. I have a person shipping out all of my products somewhere over 1,000 miles away from where I make them. I never hold onto my stuff for more than 24 hours after it’s made. Plus, I don’t intend to be in this business forever. I do have a game plan and I’m getting out at a predetermined time.
T: Which is when?
GAC: I’d prefer not to say.
T: Why not? I’m sure people, especially your customers, want to know so they can make sure they stock up before you retire, so to speak.
GAC: Again, my safety and liberty could be in jeopardy if I tell you. I will say this: It would be wise to stock up on my stuff now while it’s available, because it won’t be around forever. And when it’s all gone, it’s all gone for good. I look at this as a hobby more than a business. I do this so I can have safe and effective steroids for my personal use. That’s my first priority. I don’t intend to use steroids forever.
When I decide I’m done using them — and I’ve decided when that will be already — I’ll have no compelling reason to make stuff anymore. I don’t make a whole lot of money from this you know. I make $20 per bottle from each bottle of trenbolone I sell. So if I make $1,500 to $2,500 per week extra over my salary from my real job, then great. But I’m not going to become rich from this. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have no reason to ever fear me bumping them off the richest men in the world lists.
T: Where did you come up with the name Generic Agriculture & Chemical?
GAC: Ah, well, this is a difficult question to answer. I have to be careful here or else I could give out too much identifying information. I’ll answer part of the question. I used the word "generic" because I feel my products pretty much are generic versions of what’s already available, even if my stuff is higher quality than much of what’s out there under brand name. I picked the word "chemical" because that’s what these things are that I sell, just chemicals, albeit cool and really high-quality chemicals. Let’s leave the "agriculture" part as a mystery. Is that okay with you?
T: Sure is. I’m going to mention some names and words and I’d like your opinion of them, okay?
GAC: Sure, fine with me.
T: Ttokkyo Laboratories.
GAC: Overrated and not much better than Brovel or Tornel from what I’ve seen. They also play dirty and are paranoid about the competition.
T: International Pharmaceuticals.
GAC: IP is really a nice guy, heart’s in the right place, has the raw materials, but lacks the know-how to make quality stuff.
T: Denkall Laboratories.
GAC: Bunch of crybabies afraid that Ttokkyo is going to croak their business. They make a better product than Ttokkyo does on average so they really have nothing to be concerned about.
T: Loeffler Labortatories.
GAC: Should have stuck with Reforvit-B. Better than Ttokkyo, though.
T: Brovel Laboratories.
GAC: Makers of the lowest quality, dog-shit steroids I’ve ever laid eyes on. I wouldn’t give their crap to my worst enemy.
T: Normas Hellas.
GAC: Heavily counterfeited. The real stuff they make coming out of Europe is top-notch, though.
T: Jelfa of Poland.
GAC: I love Omnadren. They make a great product. Fine quality stuff. They’re the reason I’m not doing a Testosterone ester blend in small vials or amps. I can’t compete against them.
T: World Generics.
GAC: Never heard of them.
T: "Krazy E Trenbolone."
GAC: This guy is a liar and a thief. Oh, you hit a raw nerve with that one. Can he please explain how he can make a product with 75 mg of trenbolone acetate and 100 mg of Testosterone propionate per milliliter without using so much benzyl alcohol that it will kill muscle cells when injected? He’s the reason bootleggers have such a bad name. My guess is he really sells Crisco in a vial and nothing more.
T: Finabolan.
GAC: Nice packaging, pretty decent product, but low dose at only 30 mg/ml trenbolone acetate. I’ll speculate that the person bootlegging this has half a clue and is concerned with safety and quality. However, it’s obvious that Negma isn’t really the maker of this. This product is more of my competition than anything else.
T: Parabolan.
GAC: (Laughing) I’m the only maker of Parabolan on the planet now, so I could lie and say it’s the best thing to hit the anabolic market ever. But that would be lying. I actually like trenbolone acetate better than Parabolan and I wish I could’ve obtained more of it. Parabolan is a great drug, though.
T: Thank you for your time, GAC.
GAC: My pleasure.
If you think that GAC runs a tight ship and puts out some quality products, you’re right. If you think I’m going to hook you up with contact info, you’re wrong. Don’t ask me how to contact this individual and don’t ask me to point you in a direction to help you obtain the products he manufactures. And to those of you that think that last sentence doesn’t apply to you and will ask me anyway, well, it does apply and any requests will be deleted with no reply. So there.
courtousy of t-mag.com
It was like a scene out of a movie. I was told to drive to a parking lot and wait there for further instructions. I drove there and waited. The lot was empty except for a bank of pay phones. One of them was ringing. Sure enough, the man on the other end was the person I was supposed to interview.
I consider myself lucky that this individual allowed me to interview him. The interview was conducted in this manner to protect him and his identity, as well as yours truly. I don’t know his real name. We agreed this was best to protect both of us.
In this age of the Internet, we’ve seen a plethora of "e-sources" come and go. Most of them "go" into retirement not of their own volition, but because they’re popped by law enforcement. In truth, most of them are popped for being incredibly stupid and naïve. They don’t think they’ll get caught. But as the more intelligent ones know, it’s not if, but merely a matter of when. Eventually we all roll a seven or an eleven in the craps game called steroid dealing.
However, after speaking with this individual for over ninety minutes by phone, I can tell you he’s one of the more intelligent and cautious people I’ve ever spoken with. He fully plans on leaving this "profession" by his own volition, and a lot sooner than many of you think.
Welcome to the world of Generic Agriculture & Chemical (GAC), steroid bootlegger extraordinaire!
T: I understand why you don’t want to provide me with any details about your identity, but making me pick up a pay telephone in a parking lot to conduct this interview? Isn’t that being a tad too paranoid?
GAC: Not in the least. In the last few weeks a lot of people have been popped. There was a large bust in Florida where the source turned Federal informant, so there’s no such thing as being "too careful." Besides, Brock, for all I know you could be working with the Feds. I trust nobody except my partner. That’s right, I don’t trust you, Brock.
I like you and you’re a nice guy but the situation is such that I don’t really know you that well. So you don’t get my name or telephone number. You get nothing to identify who or where I am. If you can’t accept this and if this is an issue I’m going to hang up right now.
T: No, wait! It’s cool with me, I’ll play by your rules and won’t be a pain in the ass about it. But can you at least tell me something about you and what you do? Why do you do it? I have to give T-mag’s readership something. Give me a broad and vague idea of what you’re about, GAC. Should I just call you "GAC"?
GAC: Yep. GAC works fine; call me that. First and foremost, I’m not a source. That means you can’t call me up or contact me and ask me for this or that. I’m a bootleg producer of a very select few interesting products. I became a bootlegger by accident. I’d been working out for a few years and made a choice to try steroids. Like any reasonably intelligent person, I researched the subject of steroid use extensively and decided to try a cycle that I felt was right for me.
You don’t realize this, Brock, but you actually helped me to design my first cycle. About eight months ago, I sent you an e-mail under a bogus name asking for help and you replied with a lengthy explanation for free. I’m grateful for your assistance, so thank you.
T: Um, okay, well, I guess you’re very welcome then. Tell us more about how you got into being a bootlegger. Inquiring minds want to know.
GAC: Well, I decided to try your infamous Gramabol cycle. Both you and the late Dan Duchaine seemed to be in agreement that the first cycle, that virgin cycle, is the best cycle a person will ever have. Both of you suggested using maximum amounts of Testosterone. You also suggested I obtain Arimidex and Profasi to reduce the chance and incidence of estrogenic side effects.
At that time, I only had access to Brovel T-200 and you had strongly suggested that I stay away from Mexican-based gear that was intended for animal use. You continue to preach that Mexican vet products are generally lacking in integrity. I’d ask that you keep preaching this as my experience with Brovel was truly horrible.
T: What happened?
GAC: I didn’t listen to you, of course. I should have, though. I should’ve waited and purchased either Omnadren or Sustanon. But the Brovel gear was cheap and I was impatient. The guy at my old gym said he’d used it with no problems and that Brock Strasser was just a stupid asshole who doesn’t know shit from Shinola. So I listened to him over your advice. I bought six bottles of Brovel T-200 at $35 a pop.
There’s a definite reason that shit is so cheap and it should’ve tipped me off but hey, I was naive. So I loaded up four syringes with the T-200 and shot away on a Sunday night. It didn’t take long for me to profoundly regret this decision. By the following Thursday, I was running a fever of 102 degrees and I felt like absolute shit. Both my ass cheeks felt like someone had sprayed acid on them. My thighs were also red, swollen and radiated heat.
I’d injected 3 cc’s into both ass cheeks and both thighs for 12 cc’s total on that first day. Only five days later, I was really feeling like I wanted to die. I had problems walking and I couldn’t sit down. In every position I tried to sit or lay I was in serious pain. I was in rough shape, brother.
I knew I had massive infections and since I had access to some antibiotics, I started myself on Augmentin (a common antibiotic), hoping it would help me out. On Saturday I was worse than ever despite the antibiotics and I knew I had to go to the hospital or I was going to die from this. So I went to the emergency room and told the physician everything. He was pretty nonjudgmental, which was decent of him. He did some lab work on me and examined my ass cheeks and thighs.
It turns out that I had some serious abscesses, four in total, right where I’d injected in my ass cheeks and thighs. The ER doc drained the abscesses and took out almost 100 cc’s of pus from the four of them. He told me I was very lucky this hadn’t spread to my blood or other organs for surely I’d have died. If I had waited another day… Anyhow, so the doctor put me on intravenous Rocephin and I ended up spending the weekend in the hospital.
T: That completely sucks, but GAC, I’ve told everyone to stay far away from Mexican injectables, most notably the vet stuff by Brovel. Mexican gear, the vet stuff, is notorious for being underdosed as well as dirty.
GAC: Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, Brock. If I’d known this shit was going to happen to me, I would never had used Brovel T-200 or any other Mexican steroid for that matter. Tell all your readers to stay as far away from Mexican gear as possible.
T: So how did this experience turn you into a bootlegger?
GAC: After this disaster, which by the way, took me six weeks to fully recover from, I decided that if I was going to use steroids, I’d only use steroids made for human use and made in the USA or Europe. Problem was, as you know, this stuff is next to impossible to get and is expensive. Since I work in the chemical industry, I found a way to obtain small amounts of powdered steroids and I found a way to have them sent to me in the USA. No, not from the dude selling powdered steroids in five gram packs to everyone else, either.
So I started making stuff for personal use, custom tailoring my products to my personal wants and needs. I also started to supply a few close friends with my products. Before I knew it, word had spread that I was making some incredible stuff. I make sure that my stuff is made in a way that everything is totally sterile and clean. Because of my experience with Brovel’s bacteria-laden shit roids, I’m totally anal retentive about sterility. The few people who know how I make my stuff think I’m crazy for going to the length that I do to make sure it’s clean. But most of these people haven’t had the experience of having four separate infections from using dirty gear, so you’ll have to excuse the overkill.
T: And the rest is history, right?
GAC: Well, almost. I freaked out when people started asking me to make them stuff every time I went to the gym. So I changed gyms and stopped making everything for anyone for about six weeks. Then I had a long philosophical discussion with myself. I decided that I was going to make a few products that interested me and that I’d allow one and only one person to market and sell them for me.
So I did my homework and contacted the guy I felt was the most reliable and best source in North America, a man of impeccable honor and integrity. A man of high intelligence and the utmost caution. I picked him because he had been around for several years and was as careful as I am. The fact he’s been around for three years without being clipped tells me he’s careful. Most of these e-sources last maybe eight or nine months.
I also decided to stop selling at the gym. The only way anyone would be able to get my stuff would be through this one guy I picked. And that’s the way it is now and the way it will be for as long as I’m making products.
T: You used to sell a trenbolone acetate product that people raved about as the best steroid on the planet. I hear that’s over now. What happened?
GAC: Regarding the trenbolone product, I happen to think trenbolone is the best anabolic steroid there is. I did that one for personal reasons. Also, the raw material was readily available in China and I could obtain it. However, a well known new comer to the Mexican vet steroid scene (ahem, Ttokkyo Labs) was about to launch a trenbolone acetate product when they got wind of what I was doing.
Somehow, they managed to get a few vials of my trenbolone acetate and realized there was no way they could compete. I mean, my stuff was better, cleaner, just far superior to anything they could do. And Ttokkyo knew that they would have to price their product for about the same as mine. Well, given the choice between GAC tren or Mexican shit tren, most people would pick mine hands down. So these greedy cum stains called the only supplier of trenbolone acetate overseas and bought every last kilogram of it.
Effectively, this boxed me out of the trenbolone acetate market and I’m 100% out of raw material to make trenbolone acetate. I managed, however, to secure a relatively small amount of trenbolone cyclohexymethycarbonate instead. But I can’t get that again and it did cost me a little more money to source out, too. I decided not to increase product prices though and just lowered my margins. However, when this batch is sold out, I’m totally out of the tren business unless I can find another source in India, Thailand or China.
T: Trenbolone cyclohexymethycarbonate is what was in the old Parabolan made by Negma. Wow! I can’t believe this stuff is available for the first time in years! It sucks that you can’t get tren anymore and I’m sure this will disappoint a lot of people. But I heard that the "powder guy" is going to be selling trenbolone acetate in his line-up in a month or so. If he can get it, why can’t you?
GAC: He can’t get it. He’s either getting base trenbolone with no ester on it or he’s being misled by his supplier. There’s no commercial trenbolone acetate for sale anywhere in kilogram amounts. Someone needs to run an assay on his powder or better still, he should run an assay before selling it.
T: I also hear you make a monster clenbuterol product and something called "Heat Miser." Tell me about these two GAC products.
GAC: Well, the clenbuterol is the best deal on the market for clen, bar none. It’s an oral solution that comes in a 100-ml bottle. Each bottle has the equivalent of 1,000 doses of Oxyflux or Spiropent. Each 1/10 of a milliliter contains 20 mcg of clenbuterol. The cost is only $119 so this is like getting clen for under 12 cent per tablet. Nobody will ever beat that price for sure.
Heat Miser is also an oral solution. Each dose has 25 mcg of T3, 37.5 mcg of clenbuterol and 5.4 mg of yohimbine. It comes in a cool 50-ml bottle and each dose is half a milliliter, so each bottle has 100 doses in it. I threw that one together sort of as a last minute thing as I need to lose some fat for the spring and summer. After trying Heat Miser on myself and seeing it basically melt the fat off me, I thought others might like it too.
T: Any other goodies we can expect from GAC in the future?
GAC: I don’t want to give too much away, but I’ll tell you a few things I’m working on. I’d like to do a multi-dose generic version of Masteron. This will probably be my "trenbolone replacer." Masteron is an awesome drug for hardness and strength. But as you know, it’s like the hardest drug to get from Europe and it costs a shitload! I plan on doing a 10-ml or 20-ml vial at 100 mg/ml. I’m sure the 20 ml will be under $200 making this the best deal on Masteron ever seen.
I had plans to do a really awesome Winstrol clone but unfortunately, someone I trusted to hold onto the raw powder walked off with my supply and disappeared with 2,500 grams of my stanozolol. So that’s on hold indefinitely.
I make products with me in mind though. Call me selfish; I don’t really care. It pisses me off when people say, "Hey GAC, you should make this high dose Testosterone product or you should make this high dose whatever." Sorry, most of the people out there know so little about chemistry that they have no business suggesting I do anything. It’s like this one asshole who wants to know why my trenbolone product is only 76 mg/ml and not 200 mg/ml because "200 mg/ml would be awesome."
T: Ya think?
GAC: You can’t get 200 mg/ml of trenbolone acetate or cyclohexymethycarbonate into an milliliter of any oil without loading up so much benzyl alcohol that you could use the stuff to clean grease off your oven. Look, I’m open to cool ideas but they need to be ideas that do not defy the laws of nature. You wouldn’t believe the stuff people suggest to me on some of the boards. The bottom line is I can make what’s available to me in raw form as well as by my personal choice. That’s what I’ve done and will continue to do.
T: Can you tell us a little bit about how you made your tren product? I mean, you mentioned you’re a little crazy about the sterility issue so detail how you make your stuff and convince me, Mr. Skeptic, that it’s the cleanest thing in town.
GAC: I start off by mixing the trenbolone cyclohexymethycarbonate powder into benzyl alcohol and then I mix this solution into the appropriate amount of sunflower oil. I’ve purchased a 55 gallon drum of ACS-grade sunflower oil. I picked this type of oil because it’s light, is easy to work with, and I happen to like the viscosity of it. Additionally, there are less issues with allergic reactions with sunflower oil than there are with sesame, cottonseed, or corn oil. Because I used high quality oil, it’s not cheap.
So anyhow, I mix up maybe four liters at a time, enough to make 100 multidose vials at 76 mg/ml and 20 ml total volume per vial. Quite obviously, this is not sterile. It’s an intermediary product that needs to be further refined and sterilized.
I sterilize all glassware and tools, both vials as well as all beakers, graduated cylinders, forceps, whatever, in an autoclave before use. I cover the mouth of the vials with aluminum foil. The aluminum flip-top seals as well as the rubber septa sit in undiluted benzyl alcohol until I’m ready to use them. I pack all vials under a negative pressure, externally vented hood. Perhaps to give people a better idea how much time and effort it is involved, let’s follow the production of a single vial of my trenbolone product.
After the aluminum foil-topped vials come out of the autoclave, I put the rack of 100 of them into the vent hood and let them cool for 30 to 45 minutes. I also take the aluminum crimp seals and rubber septa and put them into a beaker containing benzyl alcohol and let them sit for 30 minutes. All this is under the hood. Using a 120-ml syringe and a 100-mm(2) 0.8 micron glass filter, I prefilter 100 to 110 ml of the trenbolone/alcohol/oil solution and place it into a sterile flask with a rubber top. This is done under the fume hood.
Using a sterile, 20-ml syringe and a sterile needle, I withdraw 22 ml of the solution and attach a sterile, 25 mm(2) 0.22 micron cellulose acetate filter and new needle. I put on sterile operating room gloves, grab an empty vial with the foil top and push the needle through the foil. Then I slowly depress the plunger on the syringe so the solution is sterilized through the filter and presto, it ends up in the 20ml vial.
Using a set of stainless steel Kelly forceps, I pick up a rubber septum out of the benzyl alcohol and remove the aluminum foil from the vial. I place the septum into the mouth of the vial and then using the same forceps, I snag an aluminum crimp top and place it on top of the septum. Then I merely crimp it shut. That’s it. I repeat this up to a hundred times in any given week.
T: That sounds quite labor intensive and to be honest, a little excessive, don’t you think?
GAC: It is labor intensive. It’s far more time consuming than that kit you came up with too. Not to knock your kit or anything, but the kit can’t compare with the quality of my product. Honestly, it takes me a total of 15 to 30 minutes to make a single 20-ml vial of my trenbolone product when you factor all the prep work that goes into it. This isn’t easy. But then again, I use all the products I make and I insist that anything that goes into my body being the highest quality, cleanest stuff on planet Earth. I think I’ve accomplished just that.
I realize my trenbolone product ain’t cheap. Hey, quality costs money. If you’re on a budget, go for the pellets and a kit. The extra effort I make, both in time and equipment, is reflected in the higher price. I wish I could do this for less money, but I can’t. Perhaps people could use kits to make their own trenbolone product for one-half or one-third of what mine costs. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t.
I won’t judge you even if you’re making something that almost competes against something I make. I don’t know. What I do know is my stuff is sterile and that’s all I truthfully care about. I’ve sent samples of my products for microbiological assays and they always come back clean. There are also other people who buy tons of Finaplix pellets and make bootleg tren products for a lot less. Almost all of these turn out to be underdosed and complete shit.
There’s never been a single complaint about my tren being underdosed. I’ve never had a single complaint regarding anyone getting hurt or sick using my stuff. That says a lot. Can Brovel or International Pharmaceuticals or Ttokkyo or Loeffler make this kind of a claim? I think not. You get what you pay for.
T: So do you view Ttokkyo and IP as your competition then?
GAC: No, not really, although some people insinuate that Ttokkyo and International Pharmaceuticals are my competition. I don’t see it that way. I do hate Ttokkyo for boxing me out of the tren market. Anyhow, I might make a hundred bottles of trenbolone per week. Ttokkyo will end up making fifty times that. I can’t compete based on sheer numbers alone, nor do I really want to even if I could.
As for International Pharmaceuticals, I appreciate what this bootlegger is trying to do but his stuff has been subject to mixed reviews as far as quality is concerned. Same for Ttokkyo. I know you like Ttokkyo stuff, Brock, but lately is seems that their quality has hit skid bottom.
T: Well, I don’t know if I concur with that opinion about Ttokkyo products, GAC. I do agree that International Pharmaceuticals makes dicey products when it comes to his injectables and I’ve warned people to stay away from those and only buy his oral stuff. IP does make a great 50-mg oral stanozolol product.
GAC: Yeah, IP does make a good oral Winny product. But his injectables, I mean, have you seen his packaging? Or that warning that people need to "bake" his products at 250 degrees in the oven for half an hour before use to sterilize it? What is this, Betty Crocker? Next thing you know, IP will be selling an anabolic fudge brownie product! Browniebol! I love it! Oh well, I suppose people are crazy and are willing to risk it based solely on financial and availability issues.
T: So what do you do for "real work"?
GAC: I’d rather not say too much about it other than I’m a graduate degree level chemist.
T: Why don’t you want to discuss your real job?
GAC: Hey look, if I gave out too much personal information, it would be too easy for law enforcement to track me down and I certainly don’t want that to happen. Neither do my customers, all of them are happy right now as far as I know. So can we change the subject?
T: Sure, okay. There have been a lot of busts in recent weeks of Internet sources. What’s your opinion on why this is happening?
GAC: There are any number of reasons why. People getting caught and ratting other people out is the biggest issue as far as I’m concerned. There’s a rumor that a guy in Florida got popped. I hear he was a big shot ketamine dealer as well as a steroid dealer. The rumor is he got hit while having thousands of bottles of Special K. Cops hate that type of stuff. He was looking at ten years in federal prison unless he rolled. I heard he had a family and all that so yeah, he ratted out everyone on the Internet he supplied.
And since he supplied a lot of other sources — I mean, this Florida guy was supposedly a big time supplier — these Internet based people didn’t stand a chance. They were all set up for controlled deliveries.
The other issue is greed and complacency. People get sloppy, packaging gets sloppy, sources take on too many questionable customers, some are undercover cops or collaborators. There exist many, many more reasons. The Feds are generally not happy with the Internet dealing shit that’s all over the boards and in plain view. They might be able to overlook this but when you factor in that many of these dealers also deal in Ecstasy, K, Nubain, and Valium — because these are high-profit items — and this is what the Feds are really after.
I personally don’t think that there’s any more effort being expended by the Feds to bust Internet dealers now than there was six months ago. It’s just that the current group of e-dealers are all a bunch of fuck-ups for the most part. They get arrogant and cocky. So being inherently stupid as well as ignorant, they make it easy for law enforcement.
T: What precautions are you taking to make sure you don’t get popped?
GAC: Well, I’m not getting into specifics here because if I did that, I might as well just give the Feds a road map as to where I am, who I am, and what I do. I’ll speak in generalities here. I have one and only one marketer. I don’t sell to individuals. I have a person shipping out all of my products somewhere over 1,000 miles away from where I make them. I never hold onto my stuff for more than 24 hours after it’s made. Plus, I don’t intend to be in this business forever. I do have a game plan and I’m getting out at a predetermined time.
T: Which is when?
GAC: I’d prefer not to say.
T: Why not? I’m sure people, especially your customers, want to know so they can make sure they stock up before you retire, so to speak.
GAC: Again, my safety and liberty could be in jeopardy if I tell you. I will say this: It would be wise to stock up on my stuff now while it’s available, because it won’t be around forever. And when it’s all gone, it’s all gone for good. I look at this as a hobby more than a business. I do this so I can have safe and effective steroids for my personal use. That’s my first priority. I don’t intend to use steroids forever.
When I decide I’m done using them — and I’ve decided when that will be already — I’ll have no compelling reason to make stuff anymore. I don’t make a whole lot of money from this you know. I make $20 per bottle from each bottle of trenbolone I sell. So if I make $1,500 to $2,500 per week extra over my salary from my real job, then great. But I’m not going to become rich from this. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have no reason to ever fear me bumping them off the richest men in the world lists.
T: Where did you come up with the name Generic Agriculture & Chemical?
GAC: Ah, well, this is a difficult question to answer. I have to be careful here or else I could give out too much identifying information. I’ll answer part of the question. I used the word "generic" because I feel my products pretty much are generic versions of what’s already available, even if my stuff is higher quality than much of what’s out there under brand name. I picked the word "chemical" because that’s what these things are that I sell, just chemicals, albeit cool and really high-quality chemicals. Let’s leave the "agriculture" part as a mystery. Is that okay with you?
T: Sure is. I’m going to mention some names and words and I’d like your opinion of them, okay?
GAC: Sure, fine with me.
T: Ttokkyo Laboratories.
GAC: Overrated and not much better than Brovel or Tornel from what I’ve seen. They also play dirty and are paranoid about the competition.
T: International Pharmaceuticals.
GAC: IP is really a nice guy, heart’s in the right place, has the raw materials, but lacks the know-how to make quality stuff.
T: Denkall Laboratories.
GAC: Bunch of crybabies afraid that Ttokkyo is going to croak their business. They make a better product than Ttokkyo does on average so they really have nothing to be concerned about.
T: Loeffler Labortatories.
GAC: Should have stuck with Reforvit-B. Better than Ttokkyo, though.
T: Brovel Laboratories.
GAC: Makers of the lowest quality, dog-shit steroids I’ve ever laid eyes on. I wouldn’t give their crap to my worst enemy.
T: Normas Hellas.
GAC: Heavily counterfeited. The real stuff they make coming out of Europe is top-notch, though.
T: Jelfa of Poland.
GAC: I love Omnadren. They make a great product. Fine quality stuff. They’re the reason I’m not doing a Testosterone ester blend in small vials or amps. I can’t compete against them.
T: World Generics.
GAC: Never heard of them.
T: "Krazy E Trenbolone."
GAC: This guy is a liar and a thief. Oh, you hit a raw nerve with that one. Can he please explain how he can make a product with 75 mg of trenbolone acetate and 100 mg of Testosterone propionate per milliliter without using so much benzyl alcohol that it will kill muscle cells when injected? He’s the reason bootleggers have such a bad name. My guess is he really sells Crisco in a vial and nothing more.
T: Finabolan.
GAC: Nice packaging, pretty decent product, but low dose at only 30 mg/ml trenbolone acetate. I’ll speculate that the person bootlegging this has half a clue and is concerned with safety and quality. However, it’s obvious that Negma isn’t really the maker of this. This product is more of my competition than anything else.
T: Parabolan.
GAC: (Laughing) I’m the only maker of Parabolan on the planet now, so I could lie and say it’s the best thing to hit the anabolic market ever. But that would be lying. I actually like trenbolone acetate better than Parabolan and I wish I could’ve obtained more of it. Parabolan is a great drug, though.
T: Thank you for your time, GAC.
GAC: My pleasure.
If you think that GAC runs a tight ship and puts out some quality products, you’re right. If you think I’m going to hook you up with contact info, you’re wrong. Don’t ask me how to contact this individual and don’t ask me to point you in a direction to help you obtain the products he manufactures. And to those of you that think that last sentence doesn’t apply to you and will ask me anyway, well, it does apply and any requests will be deleted with no reply. So there.
