Complex Recomp-Test P, Sarm-S4, IGF-1 DES, Clen, Var?

[AFPJ]

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen,

I'm trying to run a successful recomp, my total body composition isn't the same as it was a couple of years ago before I enlisted in the Air Force and all of my muscle eaten up at Basic Training. I've got a full year's leave (military vacation) before I go back and I want to get back to where I was if not better and keep the quality of it through the rest of my career, because I won't have to go through basic ever again. I've got 5 cycles under my belt from high school and before enlisting, I'm
6'2
190 lbs
26 years old
~14% body fat
A lot smaller and higher %BF than I was, this is what I was thinking, for the cycle:
Week 1
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 20mcg + 20 ED

Week 2
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 120mcg ED

Week 3
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 120mcg ED

Week 4
Test P 150mg EOD
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 5
Test P 150mg EOD
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 6
Test P 150mg EOD
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 7
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 20mcg + 20 ED
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 8
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 120mcg ED
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
HCG 250iu Thurs
HCG 1000iu start 5th day ED

Week 9
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
HCG 1000iu ED

Week 10
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 40mg ED

Week 12
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 40mg ED

Week 13
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 20mg ED

Week 14
SARMS4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 20mg ED

Week 15
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED

I was going to throw in 50mg ED of Anavar from weeks 1-8, but I just don't have the money. Is it worth saving up for? Will var make that much of a difference, I've never ran it before but I need to get and stay lean(er) during this cycle. As you can see there's a lot of things going on in this cycle, but the SARM-S4 and IGF-1 DES is bridge and PCT is because I really need to keep these gains when I return back to active duty, so I thought those were good ideas. My diet discipline at this point is spot on, and I was just wondering if in a recomp on AAS if one should surplus 500-750 calories or deficit 500-750? Really never ran cycle with the goal of recomp before. I've been out of this game for a little while now, so any help or input at all would be so greatly appreciated.

 

[AFPJ]

Bumpppppppp

 

[Jbranken]

I see several things wrong. Running clen for 3 weeks at a continuous high dose, s4 in pct which is suppressive, 2 serms in pct and no ai on cycle or after.. This is a mess.

As for your question, i go a slight surplus when recomping on cycle. The surplus cals are usually extra protein

 

[infraredline]

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen,

I'm trying to run a successful recomp, my total body composition isn't the same as it was a couple of years ago before I enlisted in the Air Force and all of my muscle eaten up at Basic Training. I've got a full year's leave (military vacation) before I go back and I want to get back to where I was if not better and keep the quality of it through the rest of my career, because I won't have to go through basic ever again. I've got 5 cycles under my belt from high school and before enlisting, I'm
6'2
190 lbs
26 years old
~14% body fat
A lot smaller and higher %BF than I was, this is what I was thinking, for the cycle:
Week 1
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 20mcg + 20 ED

Week 2
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 120mcg ED

Week 3
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 120mcg ED

Week 4
Test P 150mg EOD
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 5
Test P 150mg EOD
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 6
Test P 150mg EOD
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 7
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 20mcg + 20 ED
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
HCG 250iu Thurs + Sun

Week 8
Test P 150mg EOD
Clen 120mcg ED
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
HCG 250iu Thurs
HCG 1000iu start 5th day ED

Week 9
IGF-1DES 60mcg Post WO (bilateral pin)
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
HCG 1000iu ED

Week 10
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 40mg ED

Week 12
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 40mg ED

Week 13
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 20mg ED

Week 14
SARMS4 50mg (split) ED
Comid 50mg ED
Tamox 20mg ED

Week 15
SARM-S4 50mg (split) ED

I was going to throw in 50mg ED of Anavar from weeks 1-8, but I just don't have the money. Is it worth saving up for? Will var make that much of a difference, I've never ran it before but I need to get and stay lean(er) during this cycle. As you can see there's a lot of things going on in this cycle, but the SARM-S4 and IGF-1 DES is bridge and PCT is because I really need to keep these gains when I return back to active duty, so I thought those were good ideas. My diet discipline at this point is spot on, and I was just wondering if in a recomp on AAS if one should surplus 500-750 calories or deficit 500-750? Really never ran cycle with the goal of recomp before. I've been out of this game for a little while now, so any help or input at all would be so greatly appreciated.

There's too much in here for me to write an explanation for everything I change so I'm just going to copy your cycle and make changes, if you have any specific questions then ask them.

Week 1
Test P 100mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 2
Test P 100mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 3
Test P 100mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 4
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 5
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 6
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 7
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 8
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 9
Torem 90mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)
Ostarine 25mg ed

Week 10
Ostarine 25mg Ed
Torem 60mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)

Week 11
Ostarine 25mg ed
Torem 60mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)

Week 12
Ostarine 25mg ed
Torem 30mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)

Week 13
Ostarine 25mg ED
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed

Week 14
Ostarine 25mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed

Week 15
Ostarine 25mg ed

Week 16
Ostarine 25mg ed

Albuterol can be run week 9-16
9-10 12mg (split into 3 doses)
11-12 15mg (split into 3 doses)
13-14 18mg (split into 3 doses)
15-16 21mg (split into 3 doses)

 

[NegroPops]

well.. lets see here.

You are running 600 mg of test with no mention of an AI, not too smart imo.

I don't think Clen is really suitable for your needs. The risk will outweigh the benefits. And besides that.. your dosing protocol is a tad bit off.

S-4 is not a good idea for PCT. MK-2877 is a much better option.

You do not need 2 serms in PCT. Unless you have gyno, or the symptoms of gyno, I don't think there is any need for you to use Nolva. Studies show that 2 SERMS in a PCT will actual cause you to start growing a vagina. It's science bro.. don't fuck with it. But then again.. you plan to run 600 mg a week of test with no AI.. so maybe you are anticipating some gyno.

Var is a great addition, but if you don't have the money don't worry about. You could go with winstol on the back end instead.

I do not know much about IGF-1 but, it is a good idea to run in PCT.

You said that you really want to keep these gains, so I advice you to take a second look at your PCT.

As far as your diet, I would eat at maintenance or below. At your current stats, I think it is more ideal for you to drop body fat rather than to build LBM. Luckily the test should allow you to maintain your current LBM and should promote more. That will all depend on your diet and training.

 

[AFPJ]

There's too much in here for me to write an explanation for everything I change so I'm just going to copy your cycle and make changes, if you have any specific questions then ask them.

Week 1
Test P 100mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 2
Test P 100mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 3
Test P 100mg EOD
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 4
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 5
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 6
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 7
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 8
Test P 100mg EOD
HCG 1000iu a week
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

Week 9
Torem 90mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)
Ostarine 25mg ed

Week 10
Ostarine 25mg Ed
Torem 60mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)

Week 11
Ostarine 25mg ed
Torem 60mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)

Week 12
Ostarine 25mg ed
Torem 30mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed
Forged post cycle
Unleashed
d-aspartic acid 3g ed
IGF-1DES 40mcg Post WO (20mcg in the right 20mcg in the left)

Week 13
Ostarine 25mg ED
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed

Week 14
Ostarine 25mg ed
Formastanzol 10 pumps ed

Week 15
Ostarine 25mg ed

Week 16
Ostarine 25mg ed

Albuterol can be run week 9-16
9-10 12mg (split into 3 doses)
11-12 15mg (split into 3 doses)
13-14 18mg (split into 3 doses)
15-16 21mg (split into 3 doses)

Dude, thanks. I have some quick questions.
Why lower the Test dose?
Also I was going to add exemestane during cycle but I forgot to write it in. Also I was thinking about running osta as opposed to the S4, so that looks good. Also I'm assuming the Toremifene is to substitute the nolva?

 

[AFPJ]

well.. lets see here.

You are running 600 mg of test with no mention of an AI, not too smart imo.

I don't think Clen is really suitable for your needs. The risk will outweigh the benefits. And besides that.. your dosing protocol is a tad bit off.

S-4 is not a good idea for PCT. MK-2877 is a much better option.

You do not need 2 serms in PCT. Unless you have gyno, or the symptoms of gyno, I don't think there is any need for you to use Nolva. Studies show that 2 SERMS in a PCT will actual cause you to start growing a vagina. It's science bro.. don't fuck with it. But then again.. you plan to run 600 mg a week of test with no AI.. so maybe you are anticipating some gyno.

Var is a great addition, but if you don't have the money don't worry about. You could go with winstol on the back end instead.

I do not know much about IGF-1 but, it is a good idea to run in PCT.

You said that you really want to keep these gains, so I advice you to take a second look at your PCT.

As far as your diet, I would eat at maintenance or below. At your current stats, I think it is more ideal for you to drop body fat rather than to build LBM. Luckily the test should allow you to maintain your current LBM and should promote more. That will all depend on your diet and training.

Yeah I messed up, I meant to write in exemestane during cycle but forgot. I think I might just save up and get the var though because I've heard great things about it. Also do you think I would be able to put on a considerable about of LBM whilst in a calorie defecit. I've never cut on AAS before, so I don't know what that's like.. Also I was radically thinking maybe I could either cut or bulk this cycle and then bridge into another of the opposite with the Ostarine and IGF-1. Like say bulk this cycle (probably switch to Test E if so) and then use the igf-1 and osta as a bridge into a cutting cycle with Test P and var.

 

[NegroPops]

A considerable amount of LBM while in a caloric deficit.. I don't know the exact answer to that. It will depend on a lot of things. You should be able to put on a few pounds of lean mass, while getting stronger, and decreasing body fat. Adding another compound like NPP, Tren, or Primo would help in adding more lean mass.

I think you should decrease your body fat % first before you bulk. 14% isn't high by any means.. but it doesn't give you a lot of freedom. If you bulk now, then at the end of the cycle.. you may put on more LBM, but your body fat may go up too.. so you will have more to cut down. I would cut first, then run a bridge with sarms inbetween cycles. That will help you to lean out while adding a bit of size. IGF-1 will help with that as well. Then after you cut down, you can bulk.

 

[infraredline]

Dude, thanks. I have some quick questions.
Why lower the Test dose?
Also I was going to add exemestane during cycle but I forgot to write it in. Also I was thinking about running osta as opposed to the S4, so that looks good. Also I'm assuming the Toremifene is to substitute the nolva?

Because 100 eod is more then enough. When using gear the less is more principle should always be applied.

Yeah you definitely don't want S-4 in pct as it is suppressive. You will Ike osta and it will help you preserve on cycle gains.

Torem is in there because it is the most superior of all serms and has shown to raise LH levels higher. Nolvadex contrary to popular belief does nothing to repair the hpta, Dan Duchaine even said this. It's only real purpose was to help prevent gyno but with aromasin (exemestane) on cycle and formastanzol in pct there is no need for nolvadex as these are superior drugs for preventing gyno with less sides.

Also you made a good decision including igf-1 in your pct, we don't know yet but something about it really brings your balls back quickly following a cycle.

 

[AFPJ]

A considerable amount of LBM while in a caloric deficit.. I don't know the exact answer to that. It will depend on a lot of things. You should be able to put on a few pounds of lean mass, while getting stronger, and decreasing body fat. Adding another compound like NPP, Tren, or Primo would help in adding more lean mass.

I think you should decrease your body fat % first before you bulk. 14% isn't high by any means.. but it doesn't give you a lot of freedom. If you bulk now, then at the end of the cycle.. you may put on more LBM, but your body fat may go up too.. so you will have more to cut down. I would cut first, then run a bridge with sarms inbetween cycles. That will help you to lean out while adding a bit of size. IGF-1 will help with that as well. Then after you cut down, you can bulk.

Sounds good! thank a lot bud