Clomid -- Especially Bad For Guys Over 35

[Nelson Montana]

ANother thing to keep in mind. One of the ways that Clomid works is by acting as an estrogen so the body doesn't release as much of its own estrogen. This in turn sends a signal to the LH to "balance" it out by releasing more testosterone. But here's the rub. If you're suppressed, and especially if you're a little older, the body can't "keep up" and produce enough testosterone. What makes it worse is the "faux estrogen" that is the Clomid will have the same effects as HIGH estrogen -- which is why guys get weepy, lose libido etc.

So again, Clomid is a crap shoot and in older athletes it's a really bad bet. There are better options.

 

[Labtec70]

Hi Nelson

That's really interesting and I totally get where you're coming from.
I'm 42 and on HRT (Sustanon 250) shots for life following TC in 2001/2002. When I cycle I don't use a regular PCT since I bridge the gap between cycles with my normal TRT dose.
I'm not really sure if Clomid would be applicable to me in this case. Anyhow, what anti-E or AI would you suggest is better for me on cycle? I was thinking of Arimidex, as others have recommended this, but I'm not sure if they're aware of my age or situation. Is Arimidex suitable in my case and for my age?

Thanks Nelson.

Craig

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hi Nelson

That's really interesting and I totally get where you're coming from.
I'm 42 and on HRT (Sustanon 250) shots for life following TC in 2001/2002. When I cycle I don't use a regular PCT since I bridge the gap between cycles with my normal TRT dose.
I'm not really sure if Clomid would be applicable to me in this case. Anyhow, what anti-E or AI would you suggest is better for me on cycle? I was thinking of Arimidex, as others have recommended this, but I'm not sure if they're aware of my age or situation. Is Arimidex suitable in my case and for my age?

Thanks Nelson.

Craig

1/4 mg of a-dex 3x's a week if fine for most guys.

 

[GangstaDogg]

Not to mention the crap sides of Clomid. 50mgs of it got me dizzy like a drunk man and feeling nauseous all day.

 

[1Johnboy]

Great info to know Nelson, thanks. I am way over 35!

 

[phil34]

Great info Nelson.Cheers mate.

 

[dusteefartz]

So what would you use as a replacement? Forma?

 

[Nelson Montana]

So what would you use as a replacement? Forma?

As an anti e, yes. But clomid is used for PCT, forma is an anti e best used on cycle. For PCT, best results would be UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE, BRIDGE and GEAR. But even if I had none of them, I wouldn;t use CLomid. But that's me.

 

[lanier1974]

Interesting. Im in week 8 of 12 my first cycle, and after reading countless hours of diametrically opposed opinions, I am really struggling as to whether or not to include Clomid in my PCT.

Presently, ill be switching to Test Prop for the last 4 weeks so the esters clear quickly after last pin. Was planning to blast HCG from last pin, for 10pins/20days/2000iu, then start Nolva, or both Nolva and Clomid.

Not sure what to do :/

 

[patternsco]

As an anti e, yes. But clomid is used for PCT, forma is an anti e best used on cycle. For PCT, best results would be UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE, BRIDGE and GEAR. But even if I had none of them, I wouldn;t use CLomid. But that's me.

So you would avoid clomid altogether Nelson? Apart from being tearful, is there anything negative that would hinder recovery? Not sure i understand whats 'bad' about it.

And what protocol would you advise for the unleashed/postcycle, brigde and gear with no clomid? Have you recovered well off this?

 

[Nelson Montana]

So you would avoid clomid altogether Nelson? Apart from being tearful, is there anything negative that would hinder recovery? Not sure i understand whats 'bad' about it.

And what protocol would you advise for the unleashed/postcycle, brigde and gear with no clomid? Have you recovered well off this?

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Clomid can centainly hinder recovery for two reasons. First off, it's an estrogen and can cause estrogenic side effects. Seconly, even if it works, it'a drug and the body becamse dependant on it. The results don't last . You still need to function on yur own and the Clomid simply delays the process. This is something that no one who sites studies fails to see. THERE IS NOT ONE STUDY THAT SHOWS CLOMID CREATES AN INCREASE IN TESTOSTERONE 2 MONTHS AFTER CESSATION OF USE.

As for nolvadex, it does nothing to recover the HPTA. That's a complete myth which as been disproven years ago but internet gurus still promote it.

 

[UA_Iron]

I watched the movie "Love Actually" with some chick about 8 years ago or so while on Clomid. Almost couldn't contain tears. Bad. Idea.

 

[stevesmi]

clomid and nolva are so outdated its funny.

if you must use clomid for goodness sakes run a small dose only.. whats with the guys running 300mg a day or 200mg a day. give me a break.. so using more is gonna make you recover faster? don't get the logic there. if it makes you feel like a bitch how is that recovering? you want to feel GOOD during pct so you keep working out not feel like a dickless female going through her period

hcg/HMG blast before pct. then DAA, test infusion with low dose ostarine is my new strategy for pct and then bridge with natty supps .. you not only feel good but you hold your gains. if you want to use a small dose of clomid go for it but i am certain if you blast with hcg/hmg your LH will bounce unless you killed your HPTA will a long cycle.. I have been evolving slowly away from clomid.. if you are unsure then be your own guinea pig and run bloods and see how you recover with clomid vs. no clomid. i don't think if you follow that protocol i outlined above you will see much of a difference in your recovery times

but like i said if you ran deca, tren and test for 2 straight years don't come back bitching to me that you didn't recover... nothing will recover you easily after that nonsense.. probably gonna need 6 months of pct to come back

 

[Lefty78]

So what are your thoughts on Torem for pct then?

Also, just seems weird, but why are all of you guys who are staples in this forum done a 180 almost overnight? If you check out posts from just a few weeks back a few of you now stating no serm is required, you were suggesting a serm of some matter for pct. It's hard to understand why all the ntbm and Mrsupps reps changed their opinions altogether at the same time.

 

[bigbassturd]

Nelson has said serms are useless for as long as I can remember bro, and steve just said he's slowly moving away from it....

 

[stevesmi]

So what are your thoughts on Torem for pct then?

Also, just seems weird, but why are all of you guys who are staples in this forum done a 180 almost overnight? If you check out posts from just a few weeks back a few of you now stating no serm is required, you were suggesting a serm of some matter for pct. It's hard to understand why all the ntbm and Mrsupps reps changed their opinions altogether at the same time.

re-read my post again.

I said if you run clomid run a LOW DOSE. to many on the internet low dose means 200mg a day, to me low dose means 12mg a day.. see the problem now?

and I have never said to run nolva ever ever ever on here.. my first injectable cycle i ran nolva for pct and it was awful so I have always been against nolva. reading comprehension fail on your part

 

[dusteefartz]

I stopped my Cloimd today. just gonna take the other PCT items I have.

 

[Lefty78]

What are your thoughts on Torem? Don't see too many guys mention that, only Nolva and clomid are always brought up.

 

[patternsco]

i thought ostarine was suppressive?

 

[Raff]

Taking Torem now as part of my PCT. Did a 90/60/60/30/15 dosing. I'm in the last week of it now. I've felt great, sex drive has been normal (anything better than NO sex drive on PCT is good for me). However, I had a migraine the whole first week which I think was related to the high dose, but it went away once I came down to 60mg. I've felt great on it otherwise. Kept most of my gains. Used Torem along with unleashed/Post cycle & DAA.
It did nothing to reverse my little gyno lump, which I thought it would do, like Nolva usually does, but it's ok. Trying to avoid estrogen rebound so staying away from Nolva from now on.