CKD/TKD Question?

[scotty832]

Hey Guys! Longtime lurker, first time posting.I read an article where you follow a low carb program like a CKD,but rather than carb-load once a week,you just ingest carbs for energy to fuel your workout.I think it was a TKD? The article did'nt go into exact numbers,for ex:How many carbs?,How long before workout?,etc. I guess the therory is to burn the carbs up and remain in ketosis? Anyone had any luck on this type of program as far as losing weight while limiting muscle loss? Thanks for the guidance!

 

[Onenameleft]

I've considered it too, but had the same concerns. Mr. X posted his experience with it in the thread I started a while back.. He had exact carb numbers along with times and his corresponding ketone/glucose readings. the amounts you need to eat are going to vary based on the number of sets you do. You have to reach a balance between having enough glycogen to fuel your muscles, but little enough that glucose stays low enough for you to quickly reestablish ketosis. Lyle McDonald actually gave a formula for a number of carbs based on a number of sets, but I don't know how accurate that would be. The best way to do it would be what Mr. X did. Get a glucometer that measures ketones as well as blood sugar and track the changes based on workout and the number of carbs you eat. Ideally, your blood sugar should be back low within 20-30 minutes of your workout, and you should begin to see ketones within a couple of hours. I know I didn't answer your question exactly the way you hoped, but I just don't think that is possible. Everyone's a little different and some trial and error is probably the only way to get it right. The numbers Mr. X posted would probably be a good guideline to start with, and then work from there. Just do a search either on my ID or on TKD and you should get the thread. There aren't many posts in it. Good luck.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

if you eat less than 20g carbs for 6 days, then eat almost unlimited carbs for 1 day, you'll see great results-I've been doing this for months and it does help to cut fat and keep alot of muscle

 

[Onenameleft]

http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27989

Here's the link to the thread where Mr. X described his TKD. You don't have to eat below 20g of carbs/day to lose weight. There are lots of ways to diet and they can all work. Don't let anyone convince you that you have to do a CKD to be successful. If you want to try a TKD, this is what I would do. Mr. X's advice seems to be on the money. Good luck.

 

[scotty832]

Thanks Onen.!

Thanks for taking the time to look up that old thread! Very informative! I was under the impression You ate the carbs before to fuel the workout? Is this correct? Are you doing them after? Thanks!

 

[Mr.X]

Thank you for posting the link, I was going to repost the whole thing. I am coming out with a new log for TKD with before and after training carbs, also I have just finished my CKD Manual for begginers. It's a comprehensive manual that describes how to start and how to enjoy CKD, and oh yeah, IT'S FREE.

Yes, you take the carbs before the workout.

TDK LOG: Mr.X :
workout was long but usually my workout are 2hrs as is...I'm sure the time-frame for the workout is not really the biggest problem...I think lowering that blood sugar is the main goal.

7 am
Woke up
Glucose 30
Ketones 29

7:45
Glucose 41
Ketones 26

8:00
had...40 grams of maltodextrin
Glucose 44
Ketone 20

8:30
Glucose 140
Ketones: 0, - negative

8:35
Started workout
Glucose 119
Ketones 0

9:30
Glucose: 90
Ketone 0

10:30
Glucose 60
Ketones 7
all ketones getting used up in workout

11:10
Glucose 55
Ketones 1
no ketones due to hard workout

11:10
Finished workout

11:20
Glucose 57
Ketones 2

11:30
Ate 40 g protein + 2tbsp. Flaxseed oil

12:00
Glucose 59
Ketones 2

12:45
Glucose 50
Ketones 34
11:30 meal effecting level of Ketones

1:30
4oz. of chuck steak + 1 tbsp. Flaxseed oil
Glucose 59
Ketones 44

2:15
Glucose 67
Ketones 29

3:00
Glucose 61
Ketones 35

Mr.X

 

[Andy13]

so you guys really think ckd's are the way to go?