Cardarine for the ladies??

[Sakari]

OK, I'm about to push the button to order Ostarine for myself, and my girl wants me to try and find her some HGH. She has competed in bikini a couple of times and trains hard and runs a clean diet like I do. I know a fair amount about HGH and really don't want to go that route for numerous reasons...

My question is on Cardarine. Is it OK for chicks? How do we know one way or another as it is so new? It makes me nervous to try something so new for her, so I'm asking here... What sides can she expect? What about dosage? I apologize if these Q's were already asked/answered elsewhere but I couldn't find any discussions.

Thanks--Sakari




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[RickRock13]

We've had several females log Cardarine (GW) with excellent results and no side effects. Since GW is a non-hormonal product, females dont have to worry about negative sides like those from AAS. The dose for females is the same recommendation as with men at 20mg per day for best benefit.

Check out www.sarms1.com for the best Cardarine available

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

OK, I'm about to push the button to order Ostarine for myself, and my girl wants me to try and find her some HGH. She has competed in bikini a couple of times and trains hard and runs a clean diet like I do. I know a fair amount about HGH and really don't want to go that route for numerous reasons...

My question is on Cardarine. Is it OK for chicks? How do we know one way or another as it is so new? It makes me nervous to try something so new for her, so I'm asking here... What sides can she expect? What about dosage? I apologize if these Q's were already asked/answered elsewhere but I couldn't find any discussions.

Thanks--Sakari




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I have a few female clients using Cardarine (GW-50) right now. It's working great for them.

check out this cardarine log:
6 Week Contest and SARMS1 GW 501516 Log - Girly Style

 

[dylangemelli]

Bro, its excellent for women... more and more women are using it on a daily basis... I just started my fiance on it, even though she really has no reason to use it but im just having her use it for endurance since she runs... Im having her run a lower dose because she only weighs 95 lbs. but generally 20 mg is just fine for females... She will love it and you should also run it yourself! SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators

 

[matter2003]

Don't women also use low dose Var also?

 

[stevesmi]

GW is safe for females. its not a hormone in any way. totally safe. it doesn't mess with their estrogen or any other hormones in the body.. has no virilization.

I would argue var isn't safe for women in a lot of cases because you run the danger of the var being something else. so GW is far safer

 

[New Dude]

There is no doubt this SARM is potent. From what I have read, it increases muscular endurance and could be useful n many ways. Can someone please explain this?
Safety[edit]

A 2004 article in The Wall Street Journal noted that a study published in Nature Medicine had found that GW501516 increased polyps in specially-bred mice,[3][28] but GSK said that they had not identified any safety problems with the compound and would continue to develop it.[14]
In 2013 New Scientist reported that "tests on rats showed that at all doses, the drug rapidly causes cancers in a multitude of organs, including the liver, bladder, stomach, skin, thyroid, tongue, testes, ovaries and womb."[4] In 2013 WADA took the rare step of warning potential users of the compound of the possible health risks. They stated "clinical approval has not, and will not be given for this substance".[2][24]

 

[stevesmi]

There is no doubt this SARM is potent. From what I have read, it increases muscular endurance and could be useful n many ways. Can someone please explain this?
Safety[edit]

A 2004 article in The Wall Street Journal noted that a study published in Nature Medicine had found that GW501516 increased polyps in specially-bred mice,[3][28] but GSK said that they had not identified any safety problems with the compound and would continue to develop it.[14]
In 2013 New Scientist reported that "tests on rats showed that at all doses, the drug rapidly causes cancers in a multitude of organs, including the liver, bladder, stomach, skin, thyroid, tongue, testes, ovaries and womb."[4] In 2013 WADA took the rare step of warning potential users of the compound of the possible health risks. They stated "clinical approval has not, and will not be given for this substance".[2][24]

dude are you kidding me? we have been through this discussion on here a thousand times ..

also are you that naïve to think the vets and mods on this site would ever recommend or use a compound that was dangerous?

 

[Sakari]

That's pretty scary. There are things we find out about "approved " drugs years later. To abandon Caradine after only testing on rats because they became riddled with cancer is something that should be openly disclosed on SARMS1, and other sites that sell it. It never even made it to human trials because it was too deadly. To call it "safe". Well that sounds like bullshit. There are indeed sides and you could die from them. Please tell me how you would consider this drug safe?


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[New Dude]

It seems that your calling it safe would outweigh the research done last year and prior, where in multiple trials rats became infested with cancer. Your right Sakari, that is scary. Either someone is lying, stupid or the research done by scientists is flawed. GSK abandoned the drug for this reason.

 

[stevesmi]

rats were given large doses that were frankly inhumane for their size. not realistic at all.

if GW is used properly it is safe. no different than taking 10G of steroids a week and then having a heart attack and your blood turning into motor oil and then blaming steroids for that.

did you know the water we drink is full of pesticides and chemicals? chlorine is NOT safe either yet we drink it.

Jesus guys we have been through this discussion a zillion times.

 

[New Dude]

Really? I don't think comparing tapwater to a SARM is an accurate one. Can you post a link to the study or another thread, or is there something that one could read other than taking someones word over the internet? It would go a long way in making one feel more comfortable. To me, Ostarine seems to be the only SARM that may actually be OK as it has been around the longest. I apologize if this has been beat to death already.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ do a search.. its been beaten to death already.

there is a study on HUMANS in Australia where there was 0 cancer found when using GW. the difference is they were given correct dosages

you sound like a concern troll. you do realize this is a AAS forum right? also do you think we are going to ruin our reputation advising something that was dangerous? really? get fucking real. I make a living in this industry and i'm not going to blow it recommending people do things that are harmful to their bodies.

 

[gymrat827]

Really? I don't think comparing tapwater to a SARM is an accurate one. Can you post a link to the study or another thread, or is there something that one could read other than taking someones word over the internet? It would go a long way in making one feel more comfortable. To me, Ostarine seems to be the only SARM that may actually be OK as it has been around the longest. I apologize if this has been beat to death already.

yeah man.....it has.

as long as you dont drink one vial 2x a day, which is about what those rats were given mg to LBS wise you will be fine. \


YES, GW causes cancer and it is dangerous. But.....the doses were sky sky hi, nothing like someone 135-205lb taking 20mg per day would be like.

 

[Sakari]

Anabolic steroids have a long, long history of being tested on many athletes in real life conditions. In fact, over many decades---SARMS have not been around as long, so we really don't know the true long-term effects of usage. That's the concern that I think newdude has. Either way, i'm going to give it a shot. And so is my girlfriend. However, probably a slightly lower dosage. Thank you both for your comments and posting. It is true that there is risk in everything. However, the risk is still unknown when it comes to newer compounds. We can only truly say they are safe now because they have been safe in the short-term. Either way, I'm going to order it today.


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[stevesmi]

Anabolic steroids have a long, long history of being tested on many athletes in real life conditions. In fact, over many decades---SARMS have not been around as long, so we really don't know the true long-term effects of usage. That's the concern that I think newdude has. Either way, i'm going to give it a shot. And so is my girlfriend. However, probably a slightly lower dosage. Thank you both for your comments and posting. It is true that there is risk in everything. However, the risk is still unknown when it comes to newer compounds. We can only truly say they are safe now because they have been safe in the short-term. Either way, I'm going to order it today.


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GW isn't a SARM.. I know that's nit picking your post but its the truth bro. not your fault you don't know that though because if you 'google' GW it probably comes up as a sarm. the funny thing is a lot of stuff you google is parroted info, hell I have over 100+ published articles and I see my shit get re-hashed by others on forums and in other places. its actually quite hilarious to me.

 

[RickRock13]

I will try and find the study, but there is one that shows GW and other PPar agonists do not cause tumorogenesis in humans because of the pathway and its method of action regardless of dosage.

So according to this study you could still take an astronomical dose for a long time and not develop polyps (cancer) unlike rats

 

[Sakari]

Thank you. I just ordered it. Going to try the LGD along with it. Ordered some Osta as well for PCT.

Test stack 17 and Daa enough for PCT? I have clomid and nolva but would rather not use because I broke out badly last time.


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[stevesmi]

Thank you. I just ordered it. Going to try the LGD along with it. Ordered some Osta as well for PCT.

Test stack 17 and Daa enough for PCT? I have clomid and nolva but would rather not use because I broke out badly last time.


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just run T stack Rx.. you don't really need the DAA at all.. T stack has everything bro.

http://w3.teststackrx.com/109.html <<< just click the link and order.

 

[matter2003]

There are plenty of substances that will cause the same issues in rats at well under 400+ times the human dosage for a year...

 

[RickRock13]

Thank you. I just ordered it. Going to try the LGD along with it. Ordered some Osta as well for PCT.

Test stack 17 and Daa enough for PCT? I have clomid and nolva but would rather not use because I broke out badly last time.


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Test Stack is perfect for PCT after a SARMs run. DAA can be added too if you'd like, but its not absolutely necessary.

For discounts on test stack, send me a PM or check the Link in my sig

 

[caligirl85]

I love GW! I'm about 3 weeks in and really wouldn't have believed it, had I not tried it. I'm not a risk taker when it comes to using stuff either and did my homework. It's always good to ask questions and use some critical thinking when reading things and I know the guys here would never ever recommend something they themselves wouldn't feel safe using.

OP...if your gf has any questions, feel free to pm me too.

 

[Sakari]

Thank you. How many weeks are you planning to stay on it?


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[WolfpackAlpha]

I love GW! I'm about 3 weeks in and really wouldn't have believed it, had I not tried it. I'm not a risk taker when it comes to using stuff either and did my homework. It's always good to ask questions and use some critical thinking when reading things and I know the guys here would never ever recommend something they themselves wouldn't feel safe using.

OP...if your gf has any questions, feel free to pm me too.

You're making great progress, love your log over on evolutionary.

 

[caligirl85]

You're making great progress, love your log over on evolutionary.

Thanks Wolf!

 

[hurricane]

I love GW! I'm about 3 weeks in and really wouldn't have believed it, had I not tried it. I'm not a risk taker when it comes to using stuff either and did my homework. It's always good to ask questions and use some critical thinking when reading things and I know the guys here would never ever recommend something they themselves wouldn't feel safe using.

OP...if your gf has any questions, feel free to pm me too.

glad you jumped aboard the gw train. Your log over at evo is kick ass.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Thanks Wolf!

Welcome. Always a pleasure dealing with such a dedicated woman.

 

[steventaylor]

SARMS for women are much easier to find that anabolic steroids, because in many cases there’s not the same risk of virilization. With gw501516 there is no androgenic action whatsoever, so that means that the usual virilization risks simply don’t exist.