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Can you attain your maximum level of phisque NATURALLY without using drugs? I mean that if your true potential genetic limit is around 240 pounds - can yoiu get there
naturally and without juice? I know, I know, all pros juice and stuff , but they arent the most hard working and most educated fellows out there.
You might say that, "no. You have to to steroids, people cant get to 240+ pounds of shreded muscle naturally." . Howeever there are some things that need to be thought over. It seems that it IS possible to look like your on steroids with proper training, and proper time (much longer than with juice)...
Here are some points
1) Steroids dont modify you genes. You just reach your own potential size faster. If you could modify your genes with steroids then Arnie would have bigger legs and tom platz would have bigger arms.
2) Steroids do give you more hormones that build muscle. Howeever so does the training and proper eating! Sure you dont get that much through natural means, but still you do gain additional amounts of hormones through hard and heavy barbell work
like squats and deadlifts. Sure you get less amounts that way, but in time it will catch up. Yes it may take you longer to build muscle naturally, but it still IS theoreticaly possible to get there. Plus hormonal levels are not the most important in building muscle, or so it seems.
3) The reason why steroid users can get such amount of muscle is also because of better recuperative powers. A steroid user can recover faster and thus for him the time between workouts is shorter. A steroid user can train a bodypart 3 times per week. A smart and advanced natural trainee might train his bodypart only once 2 weeks. That means that steroid user would get 3x4 = 12 days of training that bodypart in a month while a natural trainee might get only 2. Hence why steroid users get more progress faster.
4) Steroids give you a mental edge. Actually any performance enhancing drug would certainly give you some kind of boost in performance even if it is just a sugar pill. Yoiur mental attitude has just changed, thats all. You can still do that while being natural, watch Dorian Yates blood and guts amnd try to replicate his intensity in the gym! That should work!
5) Steroids blunt your stress hormones. That means that you can train longer and recuperate faster. With steroids you can make more mistakes and still progress, while being natural doesnt give you such an opportunity.
Again it seems that you can still achieve your full size ny neing natural. All it is is that it just will take longer and more know-how. Right? Remember that steroids dont modify your genes in ANY way, or your muscles. All they do is create a byproduct of training in larger doses so progress can be quicker.
Do I mean to say that Ronnie and Markus could have reached their size NATURALLY?
Yes! It would take them much longer but it would seem to be possible. Sure they would be good 5 years older than, but hey, they could probably go on for longer!
Again lets see a typ[ical chart of someones progress in MUSCLE weight per year. The progress is average here not super big or anything.
First year about 20 muscle pounds
second 10
third 10
fourth 10
fifth 5
sixth 4
seventh and later 1-4 muscle pounds per year.
Again a normal induvidual weighting like 165 poudsn be at least ripped at 225 pounds in 7 years. A MR OLYMPIA COMPETITOR! Actually not even every juiced Mr O competitor weigths that much. Shawin weighted at 211 pounds, lee priest i think at 215 pounds.
With weight training many people can add 50-75 or more pounds of muscle. That means that people who arent 98 pound weaklings can often turn into giants, naturally!
Dorain yates started real training at 180. It means that naturally he could have beena atleast 230-255 pounds. Sure he wouldnt be Mr O that fast, but he would have been healthier and probably able to compete for much longer.
Please reply!
btwm keepo the replies goood please. This could stir up a mess. I dont want that!
Can you attain your maximum level of phisque NATURALLY without using drugs? I mean that if your true potential genetic limit is around 240 pounds - can yoiu get there
naturally and without juice? I know, I know, all pros juice and stuff , but they arent the most hard working and most educated fellows out there.
You might say that, "no. You have to to steroids, people cant get to 240+ pounds of shreded muscle naturally." . Howeever there are some things that need to be thought over. It seems that it IS possible to look like your on steroids with proper training, and proper time (much longer than with juice)...
Here are some points
1) Steroids dont modify you genes. You just reach your own potential size faster. If you could modify your genes with steroids then Arnie would have bigger legs and tom platz would have bigger arms.
2) Steroids do give you more hormones that build muscle. Howeever so does the training and proper eating! Sure you dont get that much through natural means, but still you do gain additional amounts of hormones through hard and heavy barbell work
like squats and deadlifts. Sure you get less amounts that way, but in time it will catch up. Yes it may take you longer to build muscle naturally, but it still IS theoreticaly possible to get there. Plus hormonal levels are not the most important in building muscle, or so it seems.
3) The reason why steroid users can get such amount of muscle is also because of better recuperative powers. A steroid user can recover faster and thus for him the time between workouts is shorter. A steroid user can train a bodypart 3 times per week. A smart and advanced natural trainee might train his bodypart only once 2 weeks. That means that steroid user would get 3x4 = 12 days of training that bodypart in a month while a natural trainee might get only 2. Hence why steroid users get more progress faster.
4) Steroids give you a mental edge. Actually any performance enhancing drug would certainly give you some kind of boost in performance even if it is just a sugar pill. Yoiur mental attitude has just changed, thats all. You can still do that while being natural, watch Dorian Yates blood and guts amnd try to replicate his intensity in the gym! That should work!
5) Steroids blunt your stress hormones. That means that you can train longer and recuperate faster. With steroids you can make more mistakes and still progress, while being natural doesnt give you such an opportunity.
Again it seems that you can still achieve your full size ny neing natural. All it is is that it just will take longer and more know-how. Right? Remember that steroids dont modify your genes in ANY way, or your muscles. All they do is create a byproduct of training in larger doses so progress can be quicker.
Do I mean to say that Ronnie and Markus could have reached their size NATURALLY?
Yes! It would take them much longer but it would seem to be possible. Sure they would be good 5 years older than, but hey, they could probably go on for longer!
Again lets see a typ[ical chart of someones progress in MUSCLE weight per year. The progress is average here not super big or anything.
First year about 20 muscle pounds
second 10
third 10
fourth 10
fifth 5
sixth 4
seventh and later 1-4 muscle pounds per year.
Again a normal induvidual weighting like 165 poudsn be at least ripped at 225 pounds in 7 years. A MR OLYMPIA COMPETITOR! Actually not even every juiced Mr O competitor weigths that much. Shawin weighted at 211 pounds, lee priest i think at 215 pounds.
With weight training many people can add 50-75 or more pounds of muscle. That means that people who arent 98 pound weaklings can often turn into giants, naturally!
Dorain yates started real training at 180. It means that naturally he could have beena atleast 230-255 pounds. Sure he wouldnt be Mr O that fast, but he would have been healthier and probably able to compete for much longer.
Please reply!
btwm keepo the replies goood please. This could stir up a mess. I dont want that!
