Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the 'Lord' helped??

[Lestat]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14250846/detail.html

“When he started breathing again, he just looked up at his father,” Lollis said. “It was an awesome, awesome feeling. I just knew that the Lord helped heal this child.”



How on earth does this person KNOW that the LORD helped his child? What lord exactly?

 

[almost-pro]

I would assume whatever lord he believes in.

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

I would assume whatever lord he believes in.

No doubt, obviously the Flying Spaghetti Monster saved the child's life and not a medical professional. I liked that episode of Scrubs where Dr. cox's sister prays with the patient's family. When the patient starts to recover the family thanks God instead of Dr. cox.....lollooll

 

[GoldenDelicious]

who sent the doctor?

thats right. yeah.

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

who sent the doctor?

thats right. yeah.

Probably his wife because he spends too much time at work and not enough time involved as a parent. That was a reason my boss coached his son's little league team.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

and who sent the wife?

thats right. yeah.

 

[borris]

i don't understand how getting hit with the ball in your chest can stop your heart. He's only 11 yo so they couldn't have been throwin over 45mph. interesting

 

[holy ghost]

Father Son Holy Spirit
work in mysterious ways

i was throwin 54mph fastballs in minor B bro......i must have been an anomoly

they were hardly accurate though LOL i beaned a few friends sent em screamin!

 

[Lestat]

and who sent the wife?

thats right. yeah.

the innate desire to procreate?

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

i don't understand how getting hit with the ball in your chest can stop your heart. He's only 11 yo so they couldn't have been throwin over 45mph. interesting

God stopped his heart so he would get all the glory, he's a dick like that. He's demanded child sacrifice to stroke his ego on a number of occasions.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

the innate desire to procreate?

and who made the innate desire to procreate?

thats right. yeah.

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

and who made the innate desire to procreate?

thats right. yeah.

evolution

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

i don't understand how getting hit with the ball in your chest can stop your heart. He's only 11 yo so they couldn't have been throwin over 45mph. interesting

the heart is a complex structure, and the series of electrical events that occur in a cascade in order to make the heart muscles contract in a way that couples with tissue architecture in order to make it function as a pump is equally complex, when you think about it. the actual force you need to apply to disrupt heart rhythm is quite small, because the amount of tissue youre talking about and the electrical impulses are equally small. its about where you apply the force, which bits of tissue you squish, what that does in the context of the cascade of events that produce a coherent heartbeat etc etc. butterfly effect stuff basically

people are fragile. its why you shouldnt hit them, either. killing people with crappy punches also happens sometimes

 

[binö]

meh, have a near death experience and i bet even the most resolute atheist has a hard time holding firm

 

[jnevin]

Thank god this shit doesn't get old.

 

[Lestat]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

and who made the innate desire to procreate?

thats right. yeah.

its a trait that has been selected for for generations. Those who procreate the most spread their DNA the most, so you have a lot of horny people out there today.

Can I tell you how the first atom of hydrogen was created? No.

But give me some hydrogen, and i can give you a theory to explain how you got that doctor that saved the boys life.... all without 'the Lord'

 

[gotmilk]

What lord exactly?[/QUOTE] Sith

 

[canadianhitman]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

God stopped his heart so he would get all the glory, he's a dick like that. He's demanded child sacrifice to stroke his ego on a number of occasions.

I had a fairly shitty day, but that made me laugh out loud regardless. K for you.

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

Sith

Tru dat, the great true masters have mastered life and death, so I've been told.

 

[jh1]

meh, have a near death experience and i bet even the most resolute atheist has a hard time holding firm

LOL.... that's fucking ridiculous.


If you were a true athiest you'd understand.


Faced with near death, I'd be more likely to pray for help from sewer lid covers - at least I know they exist.

 

[Smurfy]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14250846/detail.html

“When he started breathing again, he just looked up at his father,” Lollis said. “It was an awesome, awesome feeling. I just knew that the Lord helped heal this child.”



How on earth does this person KNOW that the LORD helped his child? What lord exactly?

who cares? a wonderful thing happened. let them believe whatever they want

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

meh, have a near death experience and i bet even the most resolute atheist has a hard time holding firm

NDE are easily explained by biology as hallucination and/or brain coping mechanisms.

 

[digimon7068]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14250846/detail.html

“When he started breathing again, he just looked up at his father,” Lollis said. “It was an awesome, awesome feeling. I just knew that the Lord helped heal this child.”



How on earth does this person KNOW that the LORD helped his child? What lord exactly?

i dunno. . .maybe the same one that took care of my client stevie. . .he's an old d00d but everyone still calls him stevie. . .he fought in WWII. . .yeah. . .he's pretty old. . .he was a belly-gunner in a b-29 or b-17 or whatever they used to bomb the shit out of germany. . .anyway, his plane was shot down, he jumped, his chute didn't open and he lived to tell about it. . .i struggle regularly with what i believe. . .stevie has no such doubts. . .

 

[WODIN]

and who sent the wife?

thats right. yeah.

Here parents who were tired of footing her sorry ass and got some poor slob doc to marry her.

 

[biteme]

http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14250846/detail.html

“When he started breathing again, he just looked up at his father,” Lollis said. “It was an awesome, awesome feeling. I just knew that the Lord helped heal this child.”



How on earth does this person KNOW that the LORD helped his child? What lord exactly?

LOL. Lestat is the official EF religion basher.

 

[biteme]

Father Son Holy Spirit
work in mysterious ways

i was throwin 54mph fastballs in minor B bro......i must have been an anomoly

they were hardly accurate though LOL i beaned a few friends sent em screamin!

I cracked a kid's helmet with a wild pitch and he starting crying. I felt like such a badass at that moment.

 

[Lestat]

who cares? a wonderful thing happened. let them believe whatever they want

generally i adopt that policy, there are many really asinine beliefs that people take seriously.. think ESP, think "ghosts" or "haunted houses"... palm readers, fortune tellers, etc.


The day we get a fortune teller in executive office saying they consulted tarrot cards before deciding whether or not to go to war is when you'll see me continually bashing them.

Or the day as astrologist comes out and says that because of some alignment of stars, all homosexuals are immoral, and oh, abortion is a sin too, then you'll see me bashing astrologists on a daily basis.

 

[Lestat]

i dunno. . .maybe the same one that took care of my client stevie. . .he's an old d00d but everyone still calls him stevie. . .he fought in WWII. . .yeah. . .he's pretty old. . .he was a belly-gunner in a b-29 or b-17 or whatever they used to bomb the shit out of germany. . .anyway, his plane was shot down, he jumped, his chute didn't open and he lived to tell about it. . .i struggle regularly with what i believe. . .stevie has no such doubts. . .

I don't understand how his survival of a fall (he's not the only one to fall from a plane and survive) proves the existence of a Lord.

 

[Smurfy]

generally i adopt that policy, there are many really asinine beliefs that people take seriously.. think ESP, think "ghosts" or "haunted houses"... palm readers, fortune tellers, etc.


The day we get a fortune teller in executive office saying they consulted tarrot cards before deciding whether or not to go to war is when you'll see me continually bashing them.

Or the day as astrologist comes out and says that because of some alignment of stars, all homosexuals are immoral, and oh, abortion is a sin too, then you'll see me bashing astrologists on a daily basis.

oh true

george bush is a douchebag

 

[nimbus]

who cares? a wonderful thing happened. let them believe whatever they want

religion makes us put up with a lot of crap like not being to eat chick-fil-a on sundays, so we should go ahead and attack faith whenever possible

 

[Lestat]

religion makes us put up with a lot of crap like not being to eat chick-fil-a on sundays, so we should go ahead and attack faith whenever possible

lmao!!!!!!!!

 

[mountain muscle]

why did'nt god just push the kid out of the way?

 

[nimbus]

why did'nt god just push the kid out of the way?

because then the kid only would've gotten a ball, instead of being to take his base

 

[Yarg!]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14250846/detail.html

“When he started breathing again, he just looked up at his father,” Lollis said. “It was an awesome, awesome feeling. I just knew that the Lord helped heal this child.”



How on earth does this person KNOW that the LORD helped his child? What lord exactly?

i forgot who said this line, but it was one of the best lines on religion that ive ever heard, "i dont believe in god. this was proven to be a myth by science. but in the concentration camps i learned to believe in men."

 

[Lestat]

why did'nt god just push the kid out of the way?

excellent question.. hmmmm

funny how god can cure cancer and other forms of sickness, but how many limbs has he regenerated for the Christian soliders who suffered heinous injuries in Iraq?

 

[mountain muscle]

because then the kid only would've gotten a ball, instead of being to take his base

Oh I get it now. God was just granting his wish the night before to get to first base?

 

[crew9]

I don't understand how his survival of a fall (he's not the only one to fall from a plane and survive) proves the existence of a Lord.

For the same reason you choose to believe the girls you tag/hang out with are above average....They want to believe....I don't think they could care less what you think about their beliefs just like you don't care what people think about your girls.

 

[Lestat]

For the same reason you choose to believe the girls you tag/hang out with are above average....They want to believe....I don't think they could care less what you think about their beliefs just like you don't care what people think about your girls.

I think the attractiveness of a girl is a purely subjective opinion, but whether or not there is a Lord, who had a son in human form who came here to die for our sins is a physical fact, it either happened or it didn't. Do you not see the distinction there? Me believing that a girl is above average doesn't mean its true, even if I get people to agree with me. Just like someone believing in Jesus, doesn't make its true, even if a lot of people agree with them.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

evolution

and who is in control of evolution?

thats right. yeah.

 

[Razorguns]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14250846/detail.html

“When he started breathing again, he just looked up at his father,” Lollis said. “It was an awesome, awesome feeling. I just knew that the Lord helped heal this child.”



How on earth does this person KNOW that the LORD helped his child? What lord exactly?

if it helps them during tough times, and sleep at night - more power to them.

i'd rather live with religious people who believe in 'good' then with non-religious people.who believe in 'whatever'.

religion gets a bad-name cuz bad leaders abuse it for their own selfish evil purposes.

 

[-SD-]

Im surprised redsamurai didnt show up to the game and let out an obnoxious snort when the kid was revived.

 

[mountain muscle]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

and who is in control of evolution?

thats right. yeah.

If you are implying god.

Then until you can tell me where god came from, stfu.

 

[FriendlyCanadian]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

and who is in control of evolution?

thats right. yeah.

lol GD is on point. +1

 

[Lestat]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

and who is in control of evolution?

thats right. yeah.

there is no "control" over it. it was not "invented" or "created" its theory to explain the origin of life and its diverse species. Its never said how the first bit of energy/matter was created, only explains how you can end up with very complex life when starting from simple one celled beings.

 

[Lestat]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

if it helps them during tough times, and sleep at night - more power to them.

i'd rather live with religious people who believe in 'good' then with non-religious people.who believe in 'whatever'.

religion gets a bad-name cuz bad leaders abuse it for their own selfish evil purposes.

Its not just their leaders who abuse it. Its divisive by nature, do you not see how that can be bad for everyone? If you are one of them, great, but if you are not you are somehow inferior or misguided, and if you are inferior or misguided, you should be educated, or are not worthy of the same rights and privledges. See how this poses a problem?

 

[-SD-]

Beliefs, religions, race, language, culture, nations, doesnt matter. As long as there are differences within humanity there will always be problems.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

Lestat the hater of GOD, dog, and the American way of life.
Prolly hate Mom, apple pie, and guns too.

 

[Lestat]

Lestat the hater of GOD, dog, and the American way of life.
Prolly hate Mom, apple pie, and guns too.

are you a fool? I love dogs, I can't wait to get my Rottweiler named Ahzkar.

I like some apple pie, prefer lemon and pumpkin, sometimes chocolate.

I grew up shooting guns, loved it, one of my favorite things. I think they should be legal for sport and for fun, but not for personal protection. I don't think it is THAT big of a deal, but I am for some pretty damn strict gun control.

And how can I hate GOD? Which god? There seem to be so many. I don't hate the idea of it, I hate what people try to do with the idea of it.

 

[Lestat]

Beliefs, religions, race, language, culture, nations, doesnt matter. As long as there are differences within humanity there will always be problems.

It definitely appears that way, people find ways to divide themselves, separate each other, its usually a class type of thing, someone has to be the dominant, the powerful, the rich, and it must come at the expense of others. I think this particular paradigm can be shifted, slowly.

 

[biteme]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

there is no "control" over it. it was not "invented" or "created" its theory to explain the origin of life and its diverse species. Its never said how the first bit of energy/matter was created, only explains how you can end up with very complex life when starting from simple one celled beings.

I don't have a problem believing that evolution may be fact, but I do have a problem believing that life created itself or was created by atoms... That makes atoms smarter than us and atoms are not a living thing. I believe in a higher power that I call god, maybe god chooses not to be discovered by men. I don't know. This topic will always be discussed over and over and over.

 

[FriendlyCanadian]

are you a fool? I love dogs, I can't wait to get my Rottweiler named Ahzkar.

I like some apple pie, prefer lemon and pumpkin, sometimes chocolate.

I grew up shooting guns, loved it, one of my favorite things. I think they should be legal for sport and for fun, but not for personal protection. I don't think it is THAT big of a deal, but I am for some pretty damn strict gun control.

And how can I hate GOD? Which god? There seem to be so many. I don't hate the idea of it, I hate what people try to do with the idea of it.

you should really change that to what "SOME" people try to do with the idea of it.

I don't disagree, people have some fucking crack ass shit in the name of religion.. they are still doing it..

but the majority just use their beliefs for good.. and good reasons.. not all people who believe try to do bad things with it..

in my opinion at least..

 

[Razorguns]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

Its not just their leaders who abuse it. Its divisive by nature, do you not see how that can be bad for everyone? If you are one of them, great, but if you are not you are somehow inferior or misguided, and if you are inferior or misguided, you should be educated, or are not worthy of the same rights and privledges. See how this poses a problem?

religion brings people together. in a community. for the common good. if someone gets hurt, or is homeless - the others help out. Have you been in a religious community? Look at the Jews. Religion sure helps them. I was in a Worldwide Church of God group in CT. Real geniunely nice people. They seriously cared about me and loved me.

But here's the problem w/religion:

You're an evil leader. Hellbent on power and control. You can

1) View the religious people as threatening. If they don't like you - they're already banned together and can vote you out. No good! So you BAN religion. China and Russia do that well. Genocides usually follow when people become hapless helpless individuals.

2) Use religion to CONTROL them. Make them HATE others (shiites, non-reilgious, witches, usa) who may threaten your existence. Taliban, Iran, Saudi's do this. Use the power of Islam to enslave people and obey it or else.

Most people in south central la and inner-city detroit are NOT religious. You want to live there or the bible-belt?

r

 

[Lestat]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

I don't have a problem believing that evolution may be fact, but I do have a problem believing that life created itself or was created by atoms... That makes atoms smarter than us and atoms are not a living thing. I believe in a higher power that I call god, maybe god chooses not to be discovered by men. I don't know. This topic will always be discussed over and over and over.

how would that make atoms smarter than us? How it is a rule that something SMARTER must make something DUMBER? If that is so, then what make "god" or whomever made atoms? Something even smarter than god?

 

[Lestat]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

religion brings people together. in a community. for the common good. if someone gets hurt, or is homeless - the others help out. Have you been in a religious community? Look at the Jews. Religion sure helps them. I was in a Worldwide Church of God group in CT. Real geniunely nice people. They seriously cared about me and loved me.

But here's the problem w/religion:

You're an evil leader. Hellbent on power and control. You can

1) View the religious people as threatening. If they don't like you - they're already banned together and can vote you out. No good! So you BAN religion. China and Russia do that well. Genocides usually follow when people become hapless helpless individuals.

2) Use religion to CONTROL them. Make them HATE others (shiites, non-reilgious, witches, usa) who may threaten your existence. Taliban, Iran, Saudi's do this. Use the power of Islam to enslave people and obey it or else.

Most people in south central la and inner-city detroit are NOT religious. You want to live there or the bible-belt?

r

I believe that the majority of people in south central and inner city detroit are religious. I can tell you two reasons.

Minorities in the country generally tend to be more religious than caucasians.
and this is because of this fact
Religious belief is negatively correlated with income. The more poverty in and area, the more religious people tend to be.

 

[Lestat]

you should really change that to what "SOME" people try to do with the idea of it.

I don't disagree, people have some fucking crack ass shit in the name of religion.. they are still doing it..

but the majority just use their beliefs for good.. and good reasons.. not all people who believe try to do bad things with it..

in my opinion at least..

that is true, religion isn't ALWAYS bad for EVERYONE, not at all, most people are just sheep or pawns in the game, they get a lot of benefit out of it, some security as to what their purpose in life is, what will happen exactly when they die, and what happens to their loved ones when they die. Its comforting.

I also love tradition and ceremony. I have many that I've developed with my family and friends. I like hymns and music, big components of some religions. Always been a fan of potlucks, and learning history as well.

 

[Razorguns]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

I believe that the majority of people in south central and inner city detroit are religious. I can tell you two reasons.

Minorities in the country generally tend to be more religious than caucasians.
and this is because of this fact
Religious belief is negatively correlated with income. The more poverty in and area, the more religious people tend to be.

people dealing drugs on street corners, and doing drive-bys are praising jesus as they do it?

those who are religious - are parents who are merely trying to deal with the daily tragedy that occurs in south central. if half your family has been shot or killed - yeah, you'd probably be religious too.

but compare the # of churches to say - alabama. i've been there. churches everywhere. and i can't imagine jews benefiting from not believing in religion.

u should become a jew. your life and your views will change forever. i lived for 2 years with a jewish family.

r

 

[Lestat]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

religion brings people together. in a community. for the common good. if someone gets hurt, or is homeless - the others help out. Have you been in a religious community? Look at the Jews. Religion sure helps them. I was in a Worldwide Church of God group in CT. Real geniunely nice people. They seriously cared about me and loved me.

But here's the problem w/religion:

You're an evil leader. Hellbent on power and control. You can

1) View the religious people as threatening. If they don't like you - they're already banned together and can vote you out. No good! So you BAN religion. China and Russia do that well. Genocides usually follow when people become hapless helpless individuals.

2) Use religion to CONTROL them. Make them HATE others (shiites, non-reilgious, witches, usa) who may threaten your existence. Taliban, Iran, Saudi's do this. Use the power of Islam to enslave people and obey it or else.

Most people in south central la and inner-city detroit are NOT religious. You want to live there or the bible-belt?

r

and I would never live in the Bible belt, I'd move to an Atheist European nation before I ever did that. My dad's side of the family is all in the Carolinas and Georgia! Very churchy, also very racist. Not saying the two go hand in hand, but they have some OLD FASHIONED values which seem to include disrespecting African Americans.

 

[biteme]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

how would that make atoms smarter than us? How it is a rule that something SMARTER must make something DUMBER? If that is so, then what make "god" or whomever made atoms? Something even smarter than god?

Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe that spaghetti monster? LOL... I used to ask myself that question even when I was little, 'Who made god? Where is the ceiling on the universe? And how can there be a ceiling? Something has to be beyond the ceiling. Uncomprehendable.

 

[mountain muscle]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

I don't have a problem believing that evolution may be fact, but I do have a problem believing that life created itself or was created by atoms... That makes atoms smarter than us and atoms are not a living thing. I believe in a higher power that I call god, maybe god chooses not to be discovered by men. I don't know. This topic will always be discussed over and over and over.

So wait atoms are not a living thing, yet they help make up living things. ARe you living? are you made up of atoms?

Wow, biteme, just wow. For some, the idea of some invisible man in the sky is just easier I suppose.

 

[biteme]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

So wait atoms are not a living thing, yet they help make up living things. ARe you living? are you made up of atoms?

Wow, biteme, just wow. For some, the idea of some invisible man in the sky is just easier I suppose.

He's not invisible. If you look very closely on a very dark starry night, you can see his face and white beard. He's always watching bro. I've got to get out of here and workout! I'm still horny.

 

[digimon7068]

I don't understand how his survival of a fall (he's not the only one to fall from a plane and survive) proves the existence of a Lord.

hey. . .you wanna argue with stevie?? be my guest. . .the son-of-a-bitch won't listen to me. . .maybe he'll listen to you.

 

[digimon7068]

oh yeah. . .and whatever the fuck you do, don't ever get married. . .that takes blind faith too (well. . .at least if it has any hope of lasting). . .and i don't believe that you're properly equipped. . .

 

[velvett]

why did'nt god just push the kid out of the way?

Hey, God needs some entertainment too.
Or reassurance of his powers.

Or perhaps he has a wicked sense of humor.


Is Piedmont a part of the bible belt?

 

[digimon7068]

Hey, God needs some entertainment too.
Or reassurance of his powers.

Or perhaps he has a wicked sense of humor.


Is Piedmont a part of the bible belt?

or perhaps "he's" a she. . .and we all know how "they" are. . .

 

[binö]

LOL.... that's fucking ridiculous.


If you were a true athiest you'd understand.


Faced with near death, I'd be more likely to pray for help from sewer lid covers - at least I know they exist.

allright tough guy pusedojuicer badass, let's see you get bombarded for hours by artillery and still maintain your atheisim. or get a terminal disease.
you'd be begging for god's mercy

 

[jh1]

allright tough guy pusedojuicer badass, let's see you get bombarded for hours by artillery and still maintain your atheisim. or get a terminal disease.
you'd be begging for god's mercy

Obviously you still don't get it.

It would never happen.

Has nothing to do with being bad ass.

So you think that someone that was born on a desert island and was never exposed to anyone or anything - finding himself in a very deadly situation facing almost certain death would also call out to 'God'??


Stupid.

Which 'God' is it that you think I would call out to? There are quite a few. 'God' forbid I get it wrong and call upon the wrong one.

 

[binö]

Obviously you still don't get it.

It would never happen.
Has nothing to do with being bad ass.
So you think that someone that was born on a desert island and was never exposed to anyone or anything - finding himself in a very deadly situation facing almost certain death would also call out to 'God'??


Stupid.

Which 'God' is it that you think I would call out to? There are quite a few. 'God' forbid I get it wrong and call upon the wrong one.

yes.
people born on a little desert island would created a higher being to worshipp.
happened in every society throughout history...remember all the indians that used to live here, before we booted them? think they were atheists cause the lived in a secluded area w/no europeans?

 

[jh1]

yes.
people born on a little desert island would created a higher being to worshipp.
happened in every society throughout history...remember all the indians that used to live here, before we booted them? think they were atheists cause the lived in a secluded area w/no europeans?

They thought the trees, the animals, the sun, etc had special powers bro.

Which 'god' would they pray too?

The Eagle?

The Rain?

The Wind?

The Jaguar?

See cause I am not sure which one makes the life or death decision. And no.... not every society has created gods, or at the very least not everyone in every society has participated in such non-sense.

 

[binö]

They thought the trees, the animals, the sun, etc had special powers bro.

Which 'god' would they pray too?

The Eagle?

The Rain?

The Wind?

The Jaguar?

See cause I am not sure which one makes the life or death decision. And no.... not every society has created gods, or at the very least not everyone in every society has participated in such non-sense.

bullshit
find me one, no way you can cause they don't exist.
hurry

 

[Bikini Mod]

Why does it offend some people that others choose to believe in *a* god?

 

[jh1]

Why do people of religon find offense in the fact that others:

a) don't beleive in 'THEIR GOD' ?

b) don't beleive in god at all?

 

[binö]

bullshit
find me one, no way you can cause they don't exist.
hurry

...

 

[jh1]

^

More societies relied on mysticism throughout the history of the world than 'religion'...


I am about to get on shuttle to the airport, but I will find you examples of both pure mysticism and socieites without either. You're just gonna have to wait.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Why do people of religon find offense in the fact that others:

a) don't beleive in 'THEIR GOD' ?

b) don't beleive in god at all?

Good question... I have no clue.

Two topics I rarely discuss: religion and politics. There are far too few who can discuss religion without getting personally offended and politics are incredibly boring.

 

[velvett]

or perhaps "he's" a she. . .and we all know how "they" are. . .

I think the majority of people believe in "he" but if you prefer he or she that's fine - I have no opinion either way.

But I think you may have missed the humor of my actual post.

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

Why does it offend some people that others choose to believe in *a* god?

It's not the choice to believe in the supernatural, for some there is little choice involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2epvSAGuLc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWVch1afbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSx0UQBPPo8

 

[Bikini Mod]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

It's not the choice to believe in the supernatural, for some there is little choice involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEWVch1afbs

I am AGHAST!!!

"The only reason that people don't rape/murder/steal is because they are "afraid of God?!?!?"

WTF

I was mortified by what I saw in this short video. However, I dont necessarily agree with the whole message as I see how my own children have turned out VERY DIFFERENTLY from what I taught them during their most formative years... My oldest had me THE MOST. I taught her well and yet she has been TOTALLY destroyed while my younger three had me less and less as they were younger when my marriage ended. My younger three all recognize that THEY ARE PARENTING THEMSELVES nonetheless as they have very little to no real access to me and are forced to live with an abusive animal who could care less where they are and what they are doing as long as they are not with me, the only one who EVER loved and cared about them.

My youngest is approaching 11. She was about 4 when we split. My next is 12+ and my next is nearly 14.

I think that the message of this video is about as *radical* as the religions that it is attempting to expose IMHO.

I am bringing up my personal experience as a means to demonstrate my thoughts on the topic at hand and what this video is promoting.

 

[jh1]

bullshit
find me one, no way you can cause they don't exist.
hurry

Here is some preliminary info.. I am in an airport and don't have alot of time right now.

First of all, when were not talking about a monotheistic relgion - which god do you pray too?

When were talking about a relgion that is neither polytheistic or monotheistic - there isn't necessarily a 'GOD' in the sense that we are talking about here - simply ancestors, spirits, mountains, volcanos, etc... no 'CREATOR' per say - so in those situations, there isn't a 'GOD' in the context of the 'GOD' we have referenced thus far in this thread.

A society without a 'GOD' or 'Creator'?

Perhaps Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Shintoism

 

[binö]

Here is some preliminary info.. I am in an airport and don't have alot of time right now.

First of all, when were not talking about a monotheistic relgion - which god do you pray too?

When were talking about a relgion that is neither polytheistic or monotheistic - there isn't necessarily a 'GOD' in the sense that we are talking about here - simply ancestors, spirits, mountains, volcanos, etc... no 'CREATOR' per say - so in those situations, there isn't a 'GOD' in the context of the 'GOD' we have referenced thus far in this thread.

A society without a 'GOD' or 'Creator'?

Perhaps Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Shintoism

wtf were we talking about?
interesting none the less
"The afterlife is not a primary concern in Shinto; much more emphasis is placed on fitting into this world, instead of preparing for the next"

 

[jh1]

wtf were we talking about?
interesting none the less
"The afterlife is not a primary concern in Shinto; much more emphasis is placed on fitting into this world, instead of preparing for the next"

We were talking about a 'GOD' that could be credited with saving a boys life... a 'GOD' you claim I would pray to if my life were in peril and I was desperate - remember?

So if I grew up under Shinto - what FUCKING GOD WOULD I PRAY TOO?

Or would I just make a creator up on my own in my moment of desperation and being begging him to save me?

 

[binö]

We were talking about a 'GOD' that could be credited with saving a boys life... a 'GOD' you claim I would pray to if my life were in peril and I was desperate - remember?

So if I grew up under Shinto - what FUCKING GOD WOULD I PRAY TOO?

Or would I just make a creator up on my own in my moment of desperation and being begging him to save me?

bro, i think you can comprehend what i was saying
"there is no atheisists in fox holes"
now maybe this isn't true for you, maybe when you almost cut your leg off god was the last thing on your dome...but i think the majority of those who's lives are in sudden peril pray to god for help. i know i do and i consider myself largely atheist

 

[mountain muscle]

bro, i think you can comprehend what i was saying
"there is no atheisists in fox holes"
now maybe this isn't true for you, maybe when you almost cut your leg off god was the last thing on your dome...but i think the majority of those who's lives are in sudden peril pray to god for help. i know i do and i consider myself largely atheist

However, praying to god is just a learned response. As an atheist when you pray it is a learned behavior and largely a learned behavior for most christians who clain to believe as well.

Boxers and other athletes always thank god for victory but never seem to curse him for a loss. It is just a learned response that very few take seriously.

 

[FriendlyCanadian]

Why do people of religon find offense in the fact that others:

a) don't beleive in 'THEIR GOD' ?

b) don't beleive in god at all?

I've never taken "offense" to anyone who doesn't have a belief..

I know god or some higher being exists with 100% certainty and for that, I am very, very lucky, I had a miracle happen to me that makes it a 100% undeniable fact.

but still people who do not believe, do not offend me at all, I know what it's like to have no faith and to have faith, I'm much happier living a life with faith.

If they want I'll tell them a story, and I'll try to give them a different view point, for the people i REALLY care about who have no faith, I sometimes feel bad for that and wish I could do something to help open their eyes to what I know to be true. though they have to want that, I'm not going to preach to them until they are blue in the face. though I am also not going to be offended that they express their freedom of choice and choose not to believe.

 

[digimon7068]

I think the majority of people believe in "he" but if you prefer he or she that's fine - I have no opinion either way.

But I think you may have missed the humor of my actual post.

nah. . .i got it. . .i was just trying to add to it. . .perhaps i missed the mark. . .or perhaps it's true. . .women just don't understand the three stooges

 

[Gymgurl]

Hey what ever worked!

 

[Lestat]

Moltke,

I don't think I'm a badass at all for being an atheist, there are times where I wish I could believe. It would be nice to have concert and unchangeable answers to some of life's biggest questions.

But I can't suspend disbelief, I can't put my faith in men and just convince myself that any one particular religion is true. I wouldn't even know where to begin, which god do I chose? What if I chose wrong!!

Seriously, there are times where it could be nice to be ignorantly blissful about things, but I'm afraid that's not possible unless I were to get some sort of brain damage that made it impossible for me to think critically.

 

[digimon7068]

Hey what ever worked!

sweet jeezuz! your ava gave me wood. . .

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

sweet jeezuz! your ava gave me wood. . .

Matthew 5:27-28, "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

 

[heatherrae]

I don't know why it bugs any of you that the father has faith that God helped his son.

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

I don't know why it bugs any of you that the father has faith that God helped his son.

Because one shouldn't get praise for bad acts. Why did God have to make the poor boy's heart stop? Sounds to me like somebody was looking for attention.

 

[digimon7068]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

Matthew 5:27-28, "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

awww man. . .i've always had issues with that particular passage. . .hence my lingering catholic guilt. . .surprise! i'm human

heck. . .i took the lord's name in vain too, and you completely overlooked that infraction. . .i like you, atheist.

 

[Lestat]

I don't know why it bugs any of you that the father has faith that God helped his son.

because that "faith" is one of the main reasons why nearly half the people in this country think we should go to war with Iran!

 

[javaguru]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

awww man. . .i've always had issues with that particular passage. . .hence my lingering catholic guilt. . .surprise! i'm human

heck. . .i took the lord's name in vain too, and you completely overlooked that infraction. . .i like you, atheist.

I was just waiting to pounce on the first Christian to mention her avi...lollol.

 

[JonPee]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

You're not going to stop a kid's heart by hitting him in the chest with a baseball at 45mph, It's just not going to happen. And 3 repetitions of CPR isn't going to magically bring someone back to life. The obvious answer here is the kid's heart never stopped in the first place. "God" and this Dr. didn't save this kid's life

 

[digimon7068]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

I was just waiting to pounce on the first Christian to mention her avi...lollol.

anyone that can look at her ava and still say there's no god is either gay, blind or a true, blue atheist. . .hoochie momma

 

[velvett]

Re: Boy is hit by pitch, heart stops, but doctor nearby starts it again. Somehow the

You're not going to stop a kid's heart by hitting him in the chest with a baseball at 45mph, It's just not going to happen. And 3 repetitions of CPR isn't going to magically bring someone back to life. The obvious answer here is the kid's heart never stopped in the first place. "God" and this Dr. didn't save this kid's life

That crossed my mind as well.

Or he has an undetected heart abnormality.

 

[heatherrae]

because that "faith" is one of the main reasons why nearly half the people in this country think we should go to war with Iran!

Not everyone who has faith thinks we should be at war or is even conservative.

I'm as liberal as they come, for example.

 

[Lestat]

Not everyone who has faith thinks we should be at war or is even conservative.

I'm as liberal as they come, for example.

so you have faith? is this Christian faith?

How do you feel about the following:

stell cell research
homosexuals
abortion

 

[heatherrae]

so you have faith? is this Christian faith?

How do you feel about the following:

stell cell research
homosexuals
abortion

I'm pro-choice, pro-gay rights/pro-same sex marriage and a proponent of stem cell research.

I grew up christian but was in a pretty liberal church (my uncle is the minister) that stressed and taught more about the love of God rather than the wrath of God. Anyway, now I don't really agree with everything that any church teaches, but I find most of the people who I ever went to church with to be very good, kind people. That is just my own experience. If you had gone to the church I went to, I think you would have a more tolerant opinion of religion. Unfortunately, you had some bad experiences which jaded you a bit. That is too bad. There are good religious people out there, for sure.

 

[Lestat]

I'm pro-choice, pro-gay rights/pro-same sex marriage and a proponent of stem cell research.

I grew up christian but was in a pretty liberal church (my uncle is the minister) that stressed and taught more about the love of God rather than the wrath of God. Anyway, now I don't really agree with everything that any church teaches, but I find most of the people who I ever went to church with to be very good, kind people. That is just my own experience. If you had gone to the church I went to, I think you would have a more tolerant opinion of religion. Unfortunately, you had some bad experiences which jaded you a bit. That is too bad. There are good religious people out there, for sure.

everyone was great at my church growing up, very happy people.

They did talk about how Star Wars had occult ties because of the "force" and little things like that, but they were happy loving people for the most part.

The did feel that they were right and they had the responsibility to honor the lord at all times, and that meant condeming immorality like homosexuality, but you were supposed to pray for them not berate them.