Body Opus vs The Anabolic Diet

[nhbmark]

I was researching diets & it seems the best two for losing fat & maintaining muscle are The Anabolic Diet by Mauro Dipasquale & Body Opus by Dan Duchane.

My main goal is to lose fat.

Can anyone tell me the difference between the two diets?

They both seem to be low carb during the week & high carb on the weekend.

Thanks!

 

[Kid Dynamite]

Body Opus is very detailed and the anabolic diet is more general. BO lays out an exact training plan and carb meal timing on the weekends. On the anabolic diet you're just told to stop eating carbs when you feel water retention come on.
Of course, for the simplest CKD ever, just try this:

 

[PwB]

Thats the jist of it, both are very similar. Kid Dynamite summed it up. And Lyle McDonalds "The Ketogenic Diet" is the better than both of them. I have them all though and they are all good reads.

Basically below 30g carbs during the week (30g Anabolic Diet, closer to 0 for BodyOpus)

35% Protein, 60% fat, 5% carbs for Anabolic Diet

30% Protein, 70% fat BodyOpus.

Carb Up during the weekend, BodyOpus is more specific and AD is basically a freeforall (Bad if you really wanna cut).

Turns out ratios of fat and protein arent important for ketosis, rather absence of carbs are so fat doesn't need to be so high. Get 1g protein per lb. bodyweight, carbs below 30g, and the remaining calories as fat during the low carb phase.

 

[Kid Dynamite]

Turns out ratios of fat and protein arent important for ketosis, rather absence of carbs are so fat doesn't need to be so high. Get 1g protein per lb. bodyweight, carbs below 30g, and the remaining calories as fat during the low carb phase.

The ratio of fat is important in establishing ketosis faster.

 

[PwB]

Its a common misconception, but look at the research studies or a biochemistry book, ketosis is as readily reached with low fat as it is w/ high fat. Duchaine didn't get all his research right, fat plays a role in the diet mainly for calories, but aren't essential for ketosis adaption to take place. Its really the absence of carbs that causes one to be in ketosis, not by adding fat. (and if one overeats protein they can get out of ketosis from gluconeogenesis, the conversion of protein into glucose)

 

[Gambler]

Its a common misconception, but look at the research studies or a biochemistry book, ketosis is as readily reached with low fat as it is w/ high fat. Duchaine didn't get all his research right, fat plays a role in the diet mainly for calories, but aren't essential for ketosis adaption to take place. Its really the absence of carbs that causes one to be in ketosis, not by adding fat. (and if one overeats protein they can get out of ketosis from gluconeogenesis, the conversion of protein into glucose)

Do you want what the boundry of "overeating" protein is to prevent the gluconeogensis?

 

[PwB]

Generally anything above .9-1g protein per lb. of lean bodyweight, this is off the top of my head and it might be slightly less but generally any excess protein about this on a ketogenic diet will be converted into glucose and if too much protein is ingested one will be running primarily on glucose supplied from this conversion rather than ketones.

 

[Kid Dynamite]

Protein eaten w/out carbs will be converted to glucose at a rate of 58%. Fat has a rate of under 10%. Glucose in the blood keeps the body (liver glycogen is the #1 at this, though) out of ketosis, which is why for at least the first day or two it is more beneficial to eat mostly fat. It's not a must and it won't be a huge factor. I'm not trying to argue, but this is what I've always used and it works quicker than when I simply dropped carbs and ate more protein. This is what happend for me. The diet will work just as well with higher fat and will also be easier, since you'll feel fuller.

 

[PwB]

58% conversion is the max amount of conversion of protein to glucose in the blood from alanine and glutamine.
During the 1st 3 weeks it mandatory to get at least 150g protein and this isn't taking into account exercise, in order to prevent most nitrogen losses.
The reason fat "seems" to get you into ketosis faster is b/c you are ingesting a greater amount of fat, making more free fatty acids available to enter the liver and get converted to ketones, the greater amt. of ketones from a high fat intake is being excreted from the urine and showing "deeper" ketosis. BUT, understand that ketonuria (exretion of ketones from the urine, indicated by using ketostix) isn't indicative of kenonemia, the actually state of ketosis where ketones are shown in the blood. Showing "deeper" ketosis, (a darker purple) doesnt mean more fat is being burnt, just that more is being excreted, but one can be just as deep a level of ketosis minus the high fat intake. Basically the more fat u eat, the less is being burned from bodyfat, eat less fat and more is used from bodyfat (within reason, if one is starving on a Very Low Calorie Diet, less fat overall is lost from a slower metabolic rate). I'm not arguing either, just stating the facts. Its actually more beneficial to keep protein a little higher the 1st few days b/c as one adapts to a ketogenic diet more protein is necessary to prevent nitrogen losses, fat is protein sparing but only to a degree as a certain amount of protein MUST be eaten to be protein sparing.

EX study, 400 calorie diet of protein vs. 800 calorie diet, 400 cals from protein, 400 from fat. Both causes the same nitrogen losses indicating fat isn't anywhere near as protein sparing as protein and is mostly necessary for EFA's, test. production and to prevent too low a calorie intake causing a lowering metabolic rate.

 

[serge]

I was researching diets & it seems the best two for losing fat & maintaining muscle are The Anabolic Diet by Mauro Dipasquale & Body Opus by Dan Duchane.

My main goal is to lose fat.

Can anyone tell me the difference between the two diets?

They both seem to be low carb during the week & high carb on the weekend.

Thanks!

Body Opus is very specific in terms of what and how much to eat, it alows you eat much more during the no carb days, but refeeds are much tighter, Anabolic diet tells you to dump the carbs/cals during the week and eat anything you want on the weekends