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BICEPS WONT GROW!Site enhancing oils???

mthomps5

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I have a problem. I have been able to achieve more than satisfactory muscle growth on most parts of my body. Enough that i am happy with my current results.
My arms...moreover my biceps are really beginning to fall behind. I have always had fairly small arms, but as I have grown elsewhere, my arms seem smaller and smaller every day. I work out my biceps twice a week and generally do preacher curls, hammer curls, dumbell curls etc. and i believe my form is fine, and i lift a good deal of weight ( more than you would think if just looking at bicep size).
I rep more weight with ease than my workout partner...and his arms are huge! I just dont understand?? ANY SUGGESTIONS??
I have read things on products such as Syntherol and other site enhancing oils...but have not found any real personal opinions.
I think i train my biceps enought.. and I have tried many different exercises...and though my strength increases..bicep size does not.
What do you suggest to help increase both bicep length and peak. Do site enhancing oils (Syntherol seems to be the most renown) work? Would they be useful in my situation?
 
Follow the routine below and I guarantee your biceps will get bigger and stronger. As always, make sure you warm up by stretching and/or performing a few light reps.

Standing Barbell Curls: Rest only 30-45 seconds between sets.

1st set 12 reps Shoulder width grip
2nd set 10 reps Close grip
3rd set 8 reps Shoulder width grip
4th set 6 reps Close grip
5th set 4 reps Shoulder width grip

Rest for two minutes and then perform the following.

Preacher Incline Curls with E-Z Bar: Rest 60 seconds between sets.

1st set 6 reps Shoulder width grip
2nd set 6 reps Close grip
3rd set 6 reps Shoulder width grip

Rest for two minutes and then perform the following.

Cable Hammer Curls using Rope: Do only one set for 25 reps.

Tip: Do not over train your biceps!
 
Preacher incline curls did you mean decline, I know what preachers are and also what inclines are but not preacher inclines?
 
mthomps5 said:
I have read things on products such as Syntherol and other site enhancing oils...but have not found any real personal opinions.

Ok, here's my personal opinion. They are a horrible idea. They can be very dangerous and they don't look natural. You need to just start really concentrating on your arms and starting your workouts with those muscles. Maybe you won't blow up like a ballon, but at least it will be real muscle that you worked for and you won't have any problems down the road.
 
the site enhancing oils are dangerous, but more than that its fake!
if you go that route,why not calf , and pec implants?
f**K it why train at all, just get implants and lipo?!
not a flame just a rant imho re-evaluate the way you are training arms
do you train back?
then 2x per week arm workouts may be too much
i second what dbbt posted sounds like a good ref. point
 
210toosmall said:
do you train back?
then 2x per week arm workouts may be too much
i second what dbbt posted sounds like a good ref. point

I do train back...once a week. And i usually do bi's on that day as well...trying to keep all the pull movments together. Than towards the end of the week i do bi's again with legs. I make sure i have plenty of rest days in between.

Wow... i am surprised about the neg feedback on site enhancing oils. I heard that they worked. *at least that one particular brand. Thanks for the input bros.

DDB... that work out you posted sounds similar to what i usually do. But i will give it a try with the diff reps. i usually stick to 12 10 8 6 sets.
 
mthomps5 said:
DDB... that work out you posted sounds similar to what i usually do. But i will give it a try with the diff reps. i usually stick to 12 10 8 6 sets.
Sorry typo..DBBT thanks for the advice.
 
Biceps are small muscles. DO not over train them. I'd say train them once every 6 days. Do 3-4 different exercises for the bi's, with 4 sets per exercise. (1 warm up set, then sets 2/3/4 all till failure)

If you want them to get bigger stick to the basic movements, standing barbell curls, seated preacher curls with the EZ curl bar, and seated/standing dumbell "twister" curls.

*good luck
 
I've been in this field for more than 32 yrs the bicep needs training differently unlike other muscles si nce they are used every day.
incoroprate some drag curls into your routine also don't overlook tris since they account of at least 3/4ths of your arm size.you will have to blast them harder to make them grow.
i can set up up a program if you wish just pm me.
RADAR
 
mt:

1st question: how long have you been working out?
2nd question: how long have you been on gear?


It takes plenty of time to train your bi's...before they look good.
 
Try this after your back day..

1 set of seated barbell curls, yes seated.. get about 8-10 reps.. then increase weight by 10% and try to get a final 6-8 reps..

1 set of hamer curls and then go eat a steak. I was stuck at 17.25 at 208lbs.. I tried this method and got to 17.75 within 2 months.. I wasn't training correctly...

Lastly, hit those close grips and dips for overall arm growth...

GL
 
sparetire said:
mt:

1st question: how long have you been working out?
2nd question: how long have you been on gear?


It takes plenty of time to train your bi's...before they look good.

Well i have been working out regularly (4-5 day per week) for about 2-3 years and have only taken 2 cycles of gear. My first was a simple dbol cycle about 8-9 months ago....and I recently came off a test enanth 12 week cycle.
I am now in my off time and not using any AAS. But it sucks because i did not see great results in my arms *bi's during my cycles either.
 
I always enjoy this question. Usually the person is working hard ... just beating the hell out of this small muscle.

I'd have to point out the obvious ... What are you doing for triceps? That is where the meat is. I'd hope you are doing (1) Close grip presses (2) Palms facing prone DB presses (3) V pushdowns ... All 3 sets of 8-6 reps.

Then for biceps I'd recommend you get really strong with one exercise ... one that stretches the bi all the way out and then "curls" it up to a peak. That would be low incline curls ... 30 degree with DB's. Nice and slow ... all the way down and all the way up.

8 sets of 5 going down the rack twice a week.

When you are handling 55 and up in each hand on this exercise, you'll have bi's, believe me.
 
thelion2005 said:
I always enjoy this question. Usually the person is working hard ... just beating the hell out of this small muscle.

I'd have to point out the obvious ... What are you doing for triceps? That is where the meat is. I'd hope you are doing (1) Close grip presses (2) Palms facing prone DB presses (3) V pushdowns ... All 3 sets of 8-6 reps.

Then for biceps I'd recommend you get really strong with one exercise ... one that stretches the bi all the way out and then "curls" it up to a peak. That would be low incline curls ... 30 degree with DB's. Nice and slow ... all the way down and all the way up.

8 sets of 5 going down the rack twice a week.

When you are handling 55 and up in each hand on this exercise, you'll have bi's, believe me.

Prone DB presses for tric's?? Is it just holding the dumbells similar to a close grip bench?
 
Let's go into some anatomy with Nelson Montana. Here I quote a piece of his book The Bodybuilding Truth, which reveals some interesting information.

Although it's rarely addressed, the standard curl doesn't directly affect the bicep. At least that's the case with some people. It all comes down to you anatomical make-up. For an unlucky bunch the main controller is the brachialis muscle, which runs underneath the outer part of the bicep. That's the muscle most responsible for drawing the hand toward the schoulder. Naturally, as the resistance is increased, the muscle fibers of the bicep come into play, which is why heavy curling will increase bicep size. Simple, right? Maybe not. Since eveyone's point of insertion is different, for some, the brachialis may absorb the majority of stress, thus, the bicep function becomes limited. In other words, the biceps will only recieve as much stress as the brachialis will allow.

More weight = More growth. But where?

The obvious solution of increasing the stress on the bicep would be to simply increase the weight used, but as many of you have realized, that tactic doesn't always work. Have you ever used an extremely heavy weight for curls only to wind up with sore forearms the following day? That's because the additional stress was, once again, handled by the brachialis. They're a very efficient muscle. Unfortunately, by being so efficient, they rob the biceps of additional growth stimulation. You may be able to lift more and more weight, but the biceps remain the same size. Very frustrating!

Hammer curls for instance will work the forearms and brachi and interestingly, are easier then standard curls. There's no wonder a cambered bar was once referred to as an "EZ" curl bar. Sure you can handle more weight.. because it takes the strain off the bicep! It would then stand to reason that positioning the wrist in as oppostie a direction as possible would take the stress off the brachialis and place it more onto the bicep. Therefore, keeping the wrist as straight as possible will stress the bicep more directly. In the case with dumbell curls, keeping the wrist a little outward with the pinky higher than the other fingers is better yet. Of course, when doing barbell curls, a wide grip with straight bar will most directly work the fibers central to the bicep.

Don't preach.

The preacher curl is a favourite of many BB-ers and it, too, is more a brachialis exercise. Think it builds the lower bicep? Can't happen. The entire bicep is either activated or not. There's no "lower" bicep. What the preacher bench does is alleviate stress at the top of the motion making it essentially a "half" curl. So why is it that so many champion BB-ers exalt it's effectiveness? It comes down to anatomy. In a fortunate few, such as phenomenal Larry Scott, the brachi will develop under the bicep resulting in a higher peak. We should all be so lucky.

Going with the "opposite" concept, the best way to circumvent any assistance from the brachialis would be to not lean forward, as is the case with the preacher bench, but to lie backward. Incline curls on an angle of 45 degrees or lower, will place greater emphasis directly on the bcieps. Eliminate preacher curls from your routine and replace them with an equal amount of sets of incline curls and you'll notice the difference immediately.

If that deep down ache in the pit of you r biceps has been eluding you, here's a movement you're really going to like. Pay special attention to how it's performed, for any deviation won't bring the desired result.

Set the cables on each end of the station at the lowest position.
Use a weight that will allow for good form. It'sbetter here to go for more reps than to cheat with to heavy a weight.
Grab a handle with each hand using underhand grip and step forward so that your arms are drwan back slightly. Keep the elbows as close to your side as possible and curl the weight up.
Do not aloow the elbows to be drawn up during curling! This is important! Jutting the elbows up will only displace the stress onto the anterior deltiod and the pectoral minor. Keep the arms down and you elbows back and let the bicep take on the strain. Don't tlet the fist curl towards you, keep your wrists straight throughout.
Always do a complete contraction, squeeze hard at the top of movement (eliminate the "rest" at the top) Do 10 reps an d keep rest between sets under a minute. try and make this move the only exercise you use the next time you work biceps and concentrate on making the biceps work throughout the concentric and eccentric movement. Six to ten sets should get the job done if the intensity is set high.

if you have been getting better at curling but have no additional bicep size to show for your efforts, the problem may be that you really haven't been working your biceps at all! Start applying some of these bicep isolating techniques and you soon may realize that there's a lode of untapped muscle on those upper arms. Dig in and get it!
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Hey guys, to give you an idea.. Allthough I must say I'm not a hard-gainer first, I did this 7 weeks during last cycle and boy did it work! Feels good!
Try the rest of the book too. I think there quite some useful info in there, and
fun to read. Good luck to all :-))

Don't train them too much, once a week if you hit em hard.
 
great post, ilpadrone!

i've been concerned about my biceps growth as well lately, that article makes a lot of sense to me.
 
bikebod said:
great post, ilpadrone!

i've been concerned about my biceps growth as well lately, that article makes a lot of sense to me.

I did that workout today, and I can already feel it. Does Nelson have a workout book?
 
You got some very good training advice here.

Now, assuming that you have been doing everything right in every aspect, and then one bodypart (in your case biceps) doesn't respond, then you are a prime candidate for SEO's as that is what they have been designed for. The fact that people use them for almost every bodypart is real, but it is also abuse.

Go here and read post #3:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416600

If you go to profesionalmuscle.com and use the Search function you will get a HUGE amount of feedback on Syntherol and SEO's in general from top level competitors and PROs who openly talk about it's use and you can see photos of their bodyparts as well.
There you will also find in the Article's section the post I gave you the link to above, called 'Site Enhancing Oils - a how to guide' and which has several pages of questions and answers.

To everyone that thinks that SEO's are implants, you have to educate yourself on the subject and stop assuming things just because you see photos of imbeciles like Greg Valentino.
 
ilpadrone, good post. Here are my two cents. I noticed with myself, if I was holding water because of gear my bi's looked tiny. In reality my bi's were growing even though they seemed to be getting smaller because of the water. Once the water was gone, bam some nice peaks!!!
 
Anthony Starks said:
I did that workout today, and I can already feel it. Does Nelson have a workout book?

Jesus, today my bi's are sore as hell, I think I just got a new favorite bicep workout (the cable pull)! Bump for more info on Nelson M.
 
with those cable curls do your palms curl toward your chest (like a bb curl, elbows facing behind you) or towards your delts (curls on the side of your body, elbows facing into you)?
 
I've had the same problem. I find that hammer curls with heavy ass weight, even if you have to cheat a little bit helps, along with preature curls and cable curls. It's important not to cheat with the cable curls tho, a lot of guys do it to just get it done... full extensions and dont bend ur wrist...if this means less weight then so be it... it pays off tho! goodluck bro!
 
Beachbum1546 said:
with those cable curls do your palms curl toward your chest (like a bb curl, elbows facing behind you) or towards your delts (curls on the side of your body, elbows facing into you)?

When you keep your upper arms straight down at the sides of your body (a bit back b/c you stepped forward one step) and you stand with straight back and head up (parallel to the floor) while you perform the movement you will most likely have your pinky finger very close to you nipples at maximum contraction.
Don't forget that short hard squeeze at that top, it makes the difference.
 
mthomps5 said:
I think i train my biceps enought..

I disagree.

The exercises you mention do not ordinarily target your biceps but instead target your brachioradialis.

The key to bicep workouts is to understand that the muscle mirrors the lower part of your forarm.

To illustrate, grab a dumbell and do a hammer curl.

The axels of the bells look like this: | |

Then do a normal curl with the bar parallel to the ground.

You look like this: - -

Then do a curl with your pinky above your thumb (kind of like doing a hammer curl while holding your hand upside down).

Should look like this: / \

Feel the difference?

The key exercise for targeting biceps in this way is the EZ Bar curl - it is shaped to allow you to curl with your pinkys higher than your thumbs.

I had some pictures of myself doing this up here a long time ago - PM me if you need additional help.
 
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