Better Results Natural vs. On Cycle? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE???

[juanderlei]

OK guys... I'm VERY interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this...

Earlier this year I ran a 10 week cycle which included Test Cypionate, Deca and Winstrol. My results were typically... I gained a few pounds and overall was very happy with both my cycle and PCT.

I am now more than 2 months out from my cycle and while I have been using Unleashed and Bridge as part of my PCT, I have also recently added in PhytoSerms.

Now here is where shit gets strange...

I have actually had better gains in terms of muscle building, definition and vascularity while OFF CYCLE than I did while on... WTF?!?

Now I've used Need2 and Nelson's products previously and have nothing but excellent things to say about them, but Jesus Christ... BETTER gains natural than I got on AAS?!? Sounds absolutely crazy but true...

There's only 2 possible scenarios I can come up with:

1. Since that was my second cycle of the year, maybe my receptors were shot and my natural Test production (which was stimulated by Unleashed, Phyto and Bridge) was superior to my enhanced levels while on cycle.

2. Need2 and Nelson's products are that fucking good. Now, I know these products kick ass and I would personally vouch for them both to anyone at anytime, but BETTER results than I saw on cycle?

Any thoughts?

I'm 6' tall and ended my cycle around 210lbs and 10% BF and currently about 215lbs and 9% BF.

250k Karma to the first person to tell me what's going on, or who convinces me that I'm just completely fucking crazy...

 

[Tux]

At 6ft and 210lbs, you definitely still had room to grow naturally before you hit your max... so once you recovered from your cycle, you could not only hold on to all your gains, but keep making more. Definitely good products like you're taking are helping, but that would be my guess as to why you're still getting gains. Hell, I'm over half a foot shorter than you, and I can hold 180lbs at 5'5" without any gear, so i'm pretty sure you can hold more than 210 without gear. Nice job with the gains whatever the heck is the case, and keep them going!

 

[juanderlei]

At 6ft and 210lbs, you definitely still had room to grow naturally before you hit your max... so once you recovered from your cycle, you could not only hold on to all your gains, but keep making more. Definitely good products like you're taking are helping, but that would be my guess as to why you're still getting gains. Hell, I'm over half a foot shorter than you, and I can hold 180lbs at 5'5" without any gear, so i'm pretty sure you can hold more than 210 without gear. Nice job with the gains whatever the heck is the case, and keep them going!

Thanks Bro...

What's shocking to me is the rate at which I'm experiencing gains. I understand what type of gains can be achieved naturally, but to gain a solid 5lbs and lose a % BF in that amount of time is just awesome.

Regardless, I'm a customer for life...

 

[Nelson Montana]

Believe it or not, the body performs best when in a natural healthy state. Of course, it isn't possible to get the androgen and anabolic levels that steroids provide in a natural state. But with supps like BRIDGE., UNLEASHED and Phyto you can get natural levels at a superphysiological level never before possible.

I'm going to guess juan knows how to train. I wish more guys would realize the gains they can make with low dosages plus the right supps and then cruising on this stack and grow like mofos with the right work ethic and diet.

By the way, adding GEAR and/or BIG BLAST will kick the anabolism into even higher gear.

 

[kc17]

Either your gear was bunk or your diet was way off , I recently completed the same cycle and my gains were very good . Are u. Sure the gear was legit ?pm if u want ....

 

[Nelson Montana]

Either your gear was bunk or your diet was way off , I recently completed the same cycle and my gains were very good . Are u. Sure the gear was legit ?pm if u want ....

He never said he didn't make good gains or was unhappy with the results. Just that he was still making gains natty, which is what we all want. That's the true test of your gains -- how much of them you keep and how much you can continue to improve.

 

[juanderlei]

He never said he didn't make good gains or was unhappy with the results. Just that he was still making gains natty, which is what we all want. That's the true test of your gains -- how much of them you keep and how much you can continue to improve.

Former personal trainer and been training now for 17 years, so I've spent some time in the weight room.

My gains were still very good on cycle, and as Nelson mentioned, that's not the subject matter. What is is my ability to CONTINUE achieving results months after completing an AAS cycle.

Again what surprised me so much was my continued natural gains. The more I think about it, I think a big reason for the continued gains is the continued aggression in the weight room. I remember back in my early 20's I would train like a motherfucker while on cycle, then sort of coast while off cycle, just assuming that I would never feel as good or achieve any type of results while off cycle.

Now in my 30's, as I'm starting to understand my body better and how it responds to diet, training, etc., I've realized that solid gains are possible between cycles as long as my diet remains consistent as well as intensity in the weight room.

 

[stevesmi]

gosh we could debate this for a long time. but i think you got some good suggestions above as to the reason.

i also think lack of pumps, and healthy vitals made you feel healthier natural enabling your body to improve

 

[juanderlei]

gosh we could debate this for a long time. but i think you got some good suggestions above as to the reason.

i also think lack of pumps, and healthy vitals made you feel healthier natural enabling your body to improve

Steve -

Do you think it's possible to experience a receptor shutdown effect after running numerous cycles over the past few years? While I've always gone off for at least an equivalent period of time that I was on, I wonder if it's possible that my system just needed a chance to recoup and restore HPTA function, etc.

I think an important point here is that while I've always used PCT, this is the first cycle that I've incorporated HCGenerate during my cycle and HCGenerate, Unleashed, Post Cycle, etc. as the primary components of my post cycle therapy.

Before joining this board I've always just relied on a few HCG injections and a Nolvadex/Clomid PCT, so this could possibly be the first time that my body has actually truly recovered after an AAS cycle. I'm guessing that in the past I probably never restored HPTA function, etc. prior to starting my next cycle, even though I waited the appropriate amount of time before starting again.

Your thoughts on this?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yes i posted another thread on this very subject. i do think that receptors need a chance to clear out or the body will adapt to anything you throw at it.
unfortunately there is no way to test your androgen receptors but you can test your LH and test levels and see if your HPTA is humming along strongly.