Best Pre/Post-Workout Shake For Cutting

[steelmass]

Hey, my girlfriend has abs right now but carries a little extra fat around her legs. She is around 110 @ 5' and wants to be around 105. I told her about the importance of pre/post-workout nutrition, however I am purely thinking of it from a guy perspective.

What should girls do pre/postworkout as far as whey protein, maltrodextrin/dextrose etc... And What is the best tasting shake that meets these criteria. Thanks Ladies!

 

[*Bunny*]

Hey, my girlfriend has abs right now but carries a little extra fat around her legs. She is around 110 @ 5' and wants to be around 105. I told her about the importance of pre/post-workout nutrition, however I am purely thinking of it from a guy perspective.

What should girls do pre/postworkout as far as whey protein, maltrodextrin/dextrose etc... And What is the best tasting shake that meets these criteria. Thanks Ladies!

Steel .. if you've followed the thread the guys and I started over in Diet (prolly buried a little by now), you'll see why i favor my pre/during and PWO shakes... easier for me as I train so early, but I never really got into the malto/dex combo, just used Gatorade and ISO AGB ...

The gatorade Fierce b/c it's good & overshadows the powdery-ness you can get from dumping in a powered material .. the Iso is basically tasteless and has no carbs so you can flavor it yourself ... also the digestibility similar to that of baby food, and if you shake it hard enough, you can be free of chunky shake

I did the AM cardio on empty and now I do this ... both have worked, I PREFER the pre/post nutrition and have been seeing AWESOME results.

I'm going to assume her issue with the 'fat' is related to her current diet, what specifically is she eating and when? How is her training ?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I'm going to assume her issue with the 'fat' is related to her current diet, what specifically is she eating and when? How is her training ?

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[Sassy69]

If she's lean already, her "fat" is going to be that type that is related to "estrogen pattern fat depositing" - i.e. the last stuff to go. Sometimes it takes a little extra tweak to a diet to overcome nature's tendency to drop more fat there than the rest of your body. The pre/post nutrition component can be a part of it, but we're suggestign looking at the larger picture as just making a change to the pre / post shake thing maybe isn't just the only part.

 

[steelmass]

Steel .. if you've followed the thread the guys and I started over in Diet (prolly buried a little by now), you'll see why i favor my pre/during and PWO shakes... easier for me as I train so early, but I never really got into the malto/dex combo, just used Gatorade and ISO AGB ...

The gatorade Fierce b/c it's good & overshadows the powdery-ness you can get from dumping in a powered material .. the Iso is basically tasteless and has no carbs so you can flavor it yourself ... also the digestibility similar to that of baby food, and if you shake it hard enough, you can be free of chunky shake

I did the AM cardio on empty and now I do this ... both have worked, I PREFER the pre/post nutrition and have been seeing AWESOME results.

I'm going to assume her issue with the 'fat' is related to her current diet, what specifically is she eating and when? How is her training ?

Well she is actually 5'2.5" at 110 so she is by no means fat and looks great. Ever since I got lean she has gotten motivated to look like a fitness model and im all for it. What is the optimal training split for a girl that is looking to "tone-up and lose fat" - typical beginner goals.

Right now I have her doing low sets (2-3) but splitting upper and lower body and hitting them every other day. I am not very knowledgable about female training, however I just figured this would be best and I based it off of Hyptrophy-Specific Training. She also does an hour cardio every day. She actually just started this routine 2 weeks ago and is already seeing results - I just want it to be optimal so I would like advice from you guys. I know it will be easier to change her training then her diet - so I wanted to ask that first.

She basically eats like a bird - which i guess is good - and she eats extremely healthy about 75% of the time. Things like chicken salads with light dressing and cottage cheese. But then 25% of the time is whatever she is "craving". Be it a smoothie, poptarts, pizza etc... Do girls really have uncontrollable cravings? I thought she should just get a little more discipline but what do I know. I think it might be due to the fact that she doesn't get enough calories and then her body says feed me and she eats whatever is around.

Back to training I thought if she got good pre-pwo nutrition she'd be more satisfied and have less cravings.

Legs go like this:

3 Sets Squats
3 Sets SDL
3 Sets Ham Curls
3 Sets Leg Ext
2 Sets Seated Calf
2 Sets Extended Calf

Upperbody (not in order)
3 Supersets of chestpress and backrow
3 Supersets of StraightBar Curl and Tricep Extension
2 Supersets of shrugs and lat pulldowns
3 Supersets Overhead DB Press and Side shoulder raise (rear and middle emphasis)
Various Abs

Then Cardio for an hour because her workouts with weights go fast. My main question is do you think she could be overtraining? She goes pretty light. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated.

Also, she has trained on and off for 2 years and consistenly for about 6 months. She has abs and lean upperbody and outline of obliques running along them, but she hates her legs because I would guess she is carrying about 3-5 lbs of extra fat (as compared to ripped). Her overall goals are just to get harder. More muscle tone - less fat.

 

[steelmass]

If she's lean already, her "fat" is going to be that type that is related to "estrogen pattern fat depositing" - i.e. the last stuff to go. Sometimes it takes a little extra tweak to a diet to overcome nature's tendency to drop more fat there than the rest of your body. The pre/post nutrition component can be a part of it, but we're suggestign looking at the larger picture as just making a change to the pre / post shake thing maybe isn't just the only part.

Being a bodybuilder the second you say "related to estrogen pattern fat depositing" - Arimidex, Femara, Aromasin all pop into my head. I would never do anything that would hurt her and or anything I haven't researched extensively and checked with an endo - but are there any girl tricks that could help once she gets diet in place. I would assume a suicidal AI at high levels to be bad however low levels of ADex could help regulate estrogen? What are your thoughts?

Also, what are your guys takes on Clen for females? I have used it multiple times but for some reason it scares me more to think it might hurt her than that it might hurt myself.

 

[steelmass]

Haha 2 years later same issue.. any advice ?! Oh ya and disregard all the AI/clen talk..

 

[slat1]

When I want to get super lean I cut out all sugars from my pwo shake.
With women it is important that they take in enough quality fat. If not their estrogen will kick in and force them to hold fat in the lower abs, thighs, and butt. Primrose oil at night is great for this.

 

[abxavier]

I do split bodypart workouts and I do great on it. Like most men do; monday; shoulders and biceps. Tuesday; Quads and calves. Wednesday; Chest and triceps. Thursday; Back and light shoulders. Friday; Hamstrings. Add abs in once or twice a week. And depending what she eats, if she's not taking in enough calories through the day, the hour long cardio probably is not a good idea. Especially not every day. Her weight is perfect for her height. So she shouldn't stick to wanting to lose weight, whereas it'll make her scale-crazy. She should instead focus on what area she wants to lose fat in. And work hard on it. You say its her legs, have her do more leg workouts and go heavier each time until she gets to where she wants. But diet is key, like they said. It's not going to be just about pre/post workout shakes.
And if she does split workouts like that, it'll take a lot longer, depending what she does. And I do at least 3-4 sets each. And I up weight every time. That's the only way you'll see the hard results. And I only do cardio 3x a week, for 30 minutes each. Any more than that could work against what i'm trying to do. Cardio isn't always the answer. "Great abs are made in the kitchen."
You should post up what she eats. Thandie is AMAZING with the diet thing. Post up her stats as well. She'll need that also.