Barry Bonds bangs #714

[Dial_tone]

so regardless of whether he juiced in the past or not - if he bangs 40-50 this year (when he would have to be insane to juice with all the scrutiny) would you be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say 'ya know, maybe he would have gotten there anyway eventually'.

 

[the-short-one]

i don't care what he took. i like him. and if he is taking steroids, so are 90% of all the other damn players.

 

[chef_bone]

DT...Holla...You know my answer!

 

[mr. snakes]

so regardless of whether he juiced in the past or not - if he bangs 40-50 this year (when he would have to be insane to juice with all the scrutiny) would you be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say 'ya know, maybe he would have gotten there anyway eventually'.

Absolutely.!!!!!!!!! I give him the benefit of the doubt .........................

 

[hamstershaver]

i doubt he would have passed aaron or ruth without the juice, maybe he would have hit 600

 

[Dial_tone]

I think the difference with juice is about 15-20%. Lets say he started juicing in 2000, since thats when his numbers really jumped. He hit 258 2000-2004 then was hurt most of last year. Subtract 15% from 258 and you're still left with 219 so even with that scenario he'd be at 676 naturally.

Year Homers
1990 33
1991 25
1992 34
1993 46
1994 37
1995 33
1996 42
1997 40
1998 37
1999 34
2000 49
2001 73
2002 46
2003 45
2004 45
2005 5

 

[madbomber31]

assuming he was natty early in his career... we all know some gear doesnt bulk...

i dont care what he took, there is no evidence that babe didnt juice (or vice versa)...

 

[hamstershaver]

I think the difference with juice is about 15-20%. Lets say he started juicing in 2000, since thats when his numbers really jumped. He hit 258 2000-2004 then was hurt most of last year. Subtract 15% from 258 and you're still left with 219 so even with that scenario he'd be at 676 naturally.

Year Homers
1990 33
1991 25
1992 34
1993 46
1994 37
1995 33
1996 42
1997 40
1998 37
1999 34
2000 49
2001 73
2002 46
2003 45
2004 45
2005 5

your 15% is way off base
pre 2000 bonds averaged a hr every 15.7 at bats
2000 and on he averaged a hr every 8.4 at bats

 

[hamstershaver]

i dont care what he took, there is no evidence that babe didnt juice (or vice versa)...

that was seriously the dumbest thing ive ever read on chat and thats saying something

 

[Dial_tone]

your 15% is way off base
pre 2000 bonds averaged a hr every 15.7 at bats
2000 and on he averaged a hr every 8.4 at bats

Take out the first 5-6 years when he was still learning to read major league pitching and where would that leave him?

 

[hamstershaver]

Take out the first 5-6 years when he was still learning to read major league pitching and where would that leave him?

no where near 8.4 per at bat
the guy is great, im not denying that, hes still the best player ive ever seen, but the #s speak for themselves on how much it has helped him

 

[vansmack2000]

bonds=putz

 

[Dial_tone]

no where near 8.4 per at bat
the guy is great, im not denying that, hes still the best player ive ever seen, but the #s speak for themselves on how much it has helped him

I"m gonna disagree. Look at his HR versus at bats. It wasn't til '90 that he was over 30 consistently. You think he's been juicing since then? I'm saying he was still learning to read a pitcher before then.


year Bats HRs
1986 413 16
1987 551 25
1988 538 24
1989 580 19
1990 519 33
1991 510 25
1992 473 34
1993 539 46
1994 391 37
1995 506 33
1996 517 42
1997 532 40
1998 552 37
1999 355 34
2000 480 49
2001 476 73
2002 403 46
2003 390 45
2004 373 45
2005 42 5

 

[hamstershaver]

I"m gonna disagree. Look at his HR versus at bats. It wasn't til '90 that he was over 30 consistently. You think he's been juicing since then? I'm saying he was still learning to read a pitcher before then.


year Bats HRs
1986 413 16
1987 551 25
1988 538 24
1989 580 19
1990 519 33
1991 510 25
1992 473 34
1993 539 46
1994 391 37
1995 506 33
1996 517 42
1997 532 40
1998 552 37
1999 355 34
2000 480 49
2001 476 73
2002 403 46
2003 390 45
2004 373 45
2005 42 5

pre 2000 he never had one year when he hit a hr every 10 at bats
2000 and later he never had a year where he didnt hit a hr every 10 abs
sure he started having years where he was hitting 40hrs in the 90s but look at his abs, they were always over 500 when he did it
then compare that to 2000 and on
hell he had 2 years where he hit 45 hrs with less than 400 abs!!

 

[madbomber31]

are you saying in no uncertain terms that babe ruth was in fact proven not to be on steroids? there is a chance the babe took some stuff hiimself... or mantle, or aaron, and many others... you know steroids isnt exactly something new.

 

[Phaded]

bonds is the best hitter ever hands down..

 

[plifter]

I really don't want him to pass Aaron because I don't like his attitude. He does not seem like a true team player. Plus he continually whines about the media "ruining him". But I admit that he does have one killer swing. It's a shame he couldn't show a bit more class.

 

[Wulfgar]

well the Babe did injest illegal substances during his career

dude was a well documented drunkard during Prohibition
so him and bonds have something in common! Both took stuff that was illegal(and alchohol with more logical reason than steroids) during thier respective times. everyone seems to forget that
also the babe never played agaisnt any black guys

 

[RottenWillow]

The thread title led me to believe Barry was some kind of slut.

Baseball player, huh?

 

[Smurfy]

i don't care what he took. i like him. and if he is taking steroids, so are 90% of all the other damn players.

right on sister

 

[biteme]

I voted not sure. He's pretty old for a baseball player isn't he?

 

[thewanderer690]

lol isnt Pujols on pace to break his single season record this year? haha i wonder what will happen if he does? Do you think the media will go after him next?

 

[DBBT]

i doubt he would have passed aaron or ruth without the juice, maybe he would have hit 600

^agreed...sorry to see babe's record beat once again...

 

[DBBT]

I think the difference with juice is about 15-20%. Lets say he started juicing in 2000, since thats when his numbers really jumped. He hit 258 2000-2004 then was hurt most of last year. Subtract 15% from 258 and you're still left with 219 so even with that scenario he'd be at 676 naturally.

Year Homers
1990 33
1991 25
1992 34
1993 46
1994 37
1995 33
1996 42
1997 40
1998 37
1999 34
2000 49
2001 73
2002 46
2003 45
2004 45
2005 5

im a go out on a limb and say he upped his dose a tad in '01 from eod to ed tren ace ololoool

 

[biteme]

Hammerin' Hank didn't use steroids. The guy only weighed 180, same with Willie Mays. Okay, I'm going to bed now. My face is an inch away from the screen because I took my contacts out.

 

[Longhorn85]

He's got serious batting skillz. I give him his props.

 

[gjohnson5]

I don't believe any drug helps hand - eye coordination...

You have to make contact with the ball which is the hard part.

 

[gjohnson5]

Infact , some of the tai chi guys I've worked out with don't even lift weights... Wouldn't even come close to touching one because they feel that lifting weights would make them inflexible and less coordinated.

Some would argue getting bigger would be a detriment to your coordination not help

 

[eat big]

I like him and feel bad for him.

 

[Phaded]

lol @ people thinking pujols doesn't juice.. look at some pics of him 4 years ago.. he was a fucken twig..

 

[big4life]

Bonds is breaking down. He might get 30 HR's this year, if he's lucky. I look for him to miss at least a month with his knee, in which case he might not get 20.

 

[biteme]

I don't think he'll catch Hank.

 

[Tytan]

dude still has mad skills regardless of the accusations...he `s been going long for a while and these haters should know he`s not the only guy in baseball today who should be watched carefully....congrats Barry..

 

[Whiskey]

AND..... who's to say he didn't do what some think the babe did, and pay off a lot of the pitchers that weren't making much money at the time?

Babe: Hey, here's a benjamin, pitch me a perfect ball on your third pitch.

Pitcher: Wow!! Okay, i'm needing some extra scratch

Whiskey

 

[vansmack2000]

http://espanol.geocities.com/bjarteaga2004/img/barry_bonds.JPG

 

[reno240]

Don't forget that the steroids -most likely - extended his career. You don't get better as you get older. If he wasn't using, his numbers would have tailed off and he would have been no where close to Ruth or Aaron by now - if he was still playing.

 

[silverfish]

i don't care what he took. i like him. and if he is taking steroids, so are 90% of all the other damn players.

LOL, ef'ers busting on someone for juicing. WTF, he should post here.

 

[slat1]

Who cares. There are newspaper articles from the late 1800's that show one Hall of Famer was using testosterone.
If you guys think that Bonds or the rest of the league was clean up until the 80's you are crazy. Lots of guys have admitted using in the late 60's. They took everything under the sun. One guy even said he never lost a game... he just got out milligramed.
If the truth ever came out I am sure you would find that most if not all player used and still use. The difference is that they did not have a clue how to use or what to use until labs and trainers popped up to teach them. I believe that became more regular in the 90's.
The bottom line is everyone is guilty. The only crime is getting caught.