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Attempt at full HPTA recovery

TheThracian

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Hi everyone. I need some serious advice. Id like to some veteran input in this. Perhaps Nelson Montana,needtogetaas and the other guys who work with him.

I'm looking to make a full hpta recovery and never cycle again. I have about 5 cycles under my belt within 4 year frame. Longest was 3 1/2 months. Each within a year or at least 6 month break in between. I did a superdrol cycle solo.My first injectable cycle was test p/tren ace.2nd cycle test prop/epistane/ bridged with androhard. 3rd cycle was test prop,dbol kickstart and finished with testprop/anavar. Although I believe dbol and anavar was bunk. Ive never used deca or anything else.

Currently Ive been on a "cruising" cycle with test prop alone. I started with 200 mgs /week and tapered down to 100.Ive been on for just over 2 months now. I use arimidex to control estrogen because im really sensitive to estrogen. I do have slight gyno and even at such dosage it can grow or become painful.

I practice mixed martial arts and I train 6 times a week,sometimes twice a day.This low dosage works for me and gives me the little extra edge I need.

However due to psychological issues of being up and down consistently I have decided to stop using gear all together..

So I want to make the perfect recovery. Ive used primordial performance's TRS stack before and it wasnt as efficient as I thought it would be.

When I was doing internet research I came across n2bm products and the great reviews their products has. So I want to give their products a try.

Im currently seeing a endocrinologist. However he has no clue about getting guys off cycle. He is young and inexperienced. He told me to taper down gradually over a 4 week period. Going from 25 mg/eod shots all the way down to 5 mg eod shots. Then he wants me coming in for a bloodwork 2 weeks AFTER I'm done pinning.He does not have any PCT program for me during these 2 weeks I wait to see him.However he is willing to prescribe clomid or HCG. I asked him for HCG and he prescribed me inter-muscular HCG. I have it but I plan not to use it till cycle is over.

I got about another 4 weeks left in my cycle. I can extend it longer,or come off sooner depending on the advice I get.
I have blackmarket clomid(although i can get prescription)
I also have prescription HCG. I have never used HCG properly,so I have faith in it.
I want to add in hcgenerate,bridge and unleashed(if necessary) in my pct.

Also id like to add that Ive been shutdown from my cycle prior to this. I felt fine and then suddenly I got sick after 2 months ive been off and I couldnt eat. Low libido,lost weight,no motivation,felt like shit.This caused me to hop back on test alone and do a proper PCT in the end. My testes were in normal range when I got checked. No severe shrinkage at all. I had bloodwork done when I was sick and my test was at 470,which is fairly low for a 24 year old.

I have a few questions.

1)Should I use hcgenerate at the end of my cycle or use it in PCT with HCG or use it at the end and beggining of pct?
2)How much HCG should I use and how long?
3) Would adding clomid to the mix help at all? ( My body reacts really good to clomid. I want the best recovery possible as I will never touch AAS again)
5)If I have arimidex,would forma stozol still have any beneficial effects?
6) Can I extend the use of hcgenerate ?
7) Should I stack bridge in PCT or use it as stand alone
8) Can I add unleashed/post cycle to the PCT mix?

Other add ins to pct will be alots of creatine and glutamine,bcaas,beta alanine,citrilune malate . Plenty of Vitamin C,vitamin E. Alot of healthy fats. Possibly extra tribilus dosage.
 
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For the remaining 4 weeks of the cyle blast hcg at 1000-2000 ius week. Then 3 days after last pin start pct.

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

I made it very extensive as your very shutdown and recovery will take time.

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Triptorellin? Never heard of it.Where can I get my hands on this?

What is osta?

Unleashed/post cycle is out of stack. Any ETA on this?


Im putting all my faith in to ntbm products.. None of the pct products contain any pro/hormones I hope. I will keep up my progress in this thread
 
Triptorellin? Never heard of it.Where can I get my hands on this?

What is osta?

Unleashed/post cycle is out of stack. Any ETA on this?


Im putting all my faith in to ntbm products.. None of the pct products contain any pro/hormones I hope. I will keep up my progress in this thread

Ok greatwide carries triptorellin. Osta is a sarm you can buy from uniquechemicals or sarmssearch. Dose it at 25 mg day. The postcycle combo should be instock soon. So keep an eye out.

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For the remaining 4 weeks of the cyle blast hcg at 1000-2000 ius week. Then 3 days after last pin start pct.

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

I made it very extensive as your very shutdown and recovery will take time.

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NTBM REP

Solid advice and awesome program...Joe knows PCT!

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Your thinking of s4, osta isnt suppressive.

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they both are. osta is anywhere close to s4 but it will still effect recovery. being on any serm this shouldnt be an issue because you will get lots of LH/FSH stimulation.

id follow all the advice given so far just up your clomid dose. 100 mg for 5-7 days to start and than taper back to 25mg over a 4wk period.

osta will keep strength high. going into pct wont have such a shock. thats what you want. idk if you want ever used any inj's but igf LR3 should also keep pct much more anabolic.

lr3/osta alone is pretty decent more muscle building. id look as it as an extension of the cycle almost......
 
Hi everyone. I need some serious advice. Id like to some veteran input in this. Perhaps Nelson Montana,needtogetaas and the other guys who work with him.

I'm looking to make a full hpta recovery and never cycle again. I have about 5 cycles under my belt within 4 year frame. Longest was 3 1/2 months. Each within a year or at least 6 month break in between. I did a superdrol cycle solo.My first injectable cycle was test p/tren ace.2nd cycle test prop/epistane/ bridged with androhard. 3rd cycle was test prop,dbol kickstart and finished with testprop/anavar. Although I believe dbol and anavar was bunk. Ive never used deca or anything else.

Currently Ive been on a "cruising" cycle with test prop alone. I started with 200 mgs /week and tapered down to 100.Ive been on for just over 2 months now. I use arimidex to control estrogen because im really sensitive to estrogen. I do have slight gyno and even at such dosage it can grow or become painful.

I practice mixed martial arts and I train 6 times a week,sometimes twice a day.This low dosage works for me and gives me the little extra edge I need.

However due to psychological issues of being up and down consistently I have decided to stop using gear all together..

So I want to make the perfect recovery. Ive used primordial performance's TRS stack before and it wasnt as efficient as I thought it would be.

When I was doing internet research I came across n2bm products and the great reviews their products has. So I want to give their products a try.

Im currently seeing a endocrinologist. However he has no clue about getting guys off cycle. He is young and inexperienced. He told me to taper down gradually over a 4 week period. Going from 25 mg/eod shots all the way down to 5 mg eod shots. Then he wants me coming in for a bloodwork 2 weeks AFTER I'm done pinning.He does not have any PCT program for me during these 2 weeks I wait to see him.However he is willing to prescribe clomid or HCG. I asked him for HCG and he prescribed me inter-muscular HCG. I have it but I plan not to use it till cycle is over.

I got about another 4 weeks left in my cycle. I can extend it longer,or come off sooner depending on the advice I get.
I have blackmarket clomid(although i can get prescription)
I also have prescription HCG. I have never used HCG properly,so I have faith in it.
I want to add in hcgenerate,bridge and unleashed(if necessary) in my pct.

Also id like to add that Ive been shutdown from my cycle prior to this. I felt fine and then suddenly I got sick after 2 months ive been off and I couldnt eat. Low libido,lost weight,no motivation,felt like shit.This caused me to hop back on test alone and do a proper PCT in the end. My testes were in normal range when I got checked. No severe shrinkage at all. I had bloodwork done when I was sick and my test was at 470,which is fairly low for a 24 year old.

I have a few questions.

1)Should I use hcgenerate at the end of my cycle or use it in PCT with HCG or use it at the end and beggining of pct?
2)How much HCG should I use and how long?
3) Would adding clomid to the mix help at all? ( My body reacts really good to clomid. I want the best recovery possible as I will never touch AAS again)
5)If I have arimidex,would forma stozol still have any beneficial effects?
6) Can I extend the use of hcgenerate ?
7) Should I stack bridge in PCT or use it as stand alone
8) Can I add unleashed/post cycle to the PCT mix?

Other add ins to pct will be alots of creatine and glutamine,bcaas,beta alanine,citrilune malate . Plenty of Vitamin C,vitamin E. Alot of healthy fats. Possibly extra tribilus dosage.

id follow all the advice given so far just up your clomid dose. 100 mg for 5-7 days to start and than taper back to 25mg over a 4wk period.

osta will keep strength high. going into pct wont have such a shock. thats what you want. idk if you want ever used any inj's but igf LR3 should also keep pct much more anabolic.

lr3/osta alone is pretty decent more muscle building. id look as it as an extension of the cycle almost......[/QUOTE]

Don't do 100mg of clomid stick at 25mg, while I don't typically recommend igf I'm gonna agree in this case on it but keep it low 20-25mcg is more then enough, I don't think ostarine would be the best idea to run if trying to fully recover since it is suppressive to an extent but as stated not to the extent of s-4 but di not believe the constant lie preached about osta not being suppressive however if you we're going to use it 12.5-15mg is more then enough, may want to consider some torem at 90,60,60,30 in addition to 25mg of clomid, hcg should be at 500iu a week not 1000iu, unleashed post cycle is a must, daa at 3g a day is a must, forma stanzol or aromasin is important

I would like Dylan to put some input into this as I would take his advice into higher consideration then most others here
 
id follow all the advice given so far just up your clomid dose. 100 mg for 5-7 days to start and than taper back to 25mg over a 4wk period.

osta will keep strength high. going into pct wont have such a shock. thats what you want. idk if you want ever used any inj's but igf LR3 should also keep pct much more anabolic.

lr3/osta alone is pretty decent more muscle building. id look as it as an extension of the cycle almost......[/QUOTE]

Don't do 100mg of clomid stick at 25mg, while I don't typically recommend igf I'm gonna agree in this case on it but keep it low 20-25mcg is more then enough, I don't think ostarine would be the best idea to run if trying to fully recover since it is suppressive to an extent but as stated not to the extent of s-4 but please do not buy into the lie that osta isn't suppressive however if you we're going to use it 12.5-15mg is more then enough, may want to consider some torem at 90,60,60,30 in addition to 25mg of clomid, hcg should be at 500iu a week not 1000iu, unleashed post cycle is a must, daa at 3g a day is a must, forma stanzol or aromasin is important

I would like to see Dylan's input on this as I would take his input into higher consideration then most others here
 
Christ..Osta is so expensive.. $150 from sarmsresearch ?!?! Is it worth it? I found osta RX from ironmaglabs. Is this the same thing?

http://supplementreviews.com/iron-mag-labs/osta-rx

This pct is going to cost me around $600..


$400alone for ntbm products
$50 for forma
$70 for osta
$ ?? for triptorellin

Also I did research on osta and it seems that some people get shutdown? Any stories of it being used successfully in pct?


I cant find a source for triptorellin..Can someone help me out with a source?


Im scared to put so many things in my body.
 
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Christ..Osta is so expensive.. $150 from sarmsresearch ?!?! Is it worth it? I found osta RX from ironmaglabs. Is this the same thing?

http://supplementreviews.com/iron-mag-labs/osta-rx

This pct is going to cost me around $600..


$400alone for ntbm products
$50 for forma
$70 for osta
$ ?? for triptorellin

Also I did research on osta and it seems that some people get shutdown? Any stories of it being used successfully in pct?


I cant find a source for triptorellin..Can someone help me out with a source?


Im scared to put so many things in my body.

Go to uniquechemicals for osta. For triptorellin greatwhite peptides carries it. That link you posted isnt a sarm its a suppliment. Ive never seen any evidence that osta is suppressive only s4. Many have used it successfully in pct. You can save money on the ntbm products by using my code in my signature. You asked for an extensive attack plan for pct and thats what I gave you. If your serious about recovering then I suggest you follow my advice. If not you can always look up an endo and get put on hrt. Trust me that old school nolva bs isnt gonna work. And your gonna be left with the test levels of a 12 year old girl after the smoke clears.

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Go to uniquechemicals for osta. For triptorellin greatwhite peptides carries it. That link you posted isnt a sarm its a suppliment. Ive never seen any evidence that osta is suppressive only s4. Many have used it successfully in pct. You can save money on the ntbm products by using my code in my signature. You asked for an extensive attack plan for pct and thats what I gave you. If your serious about recovering then I suggest you follow my advice. If not you can always look up an endo and get put on hrt. Trust me that old school nolva bs isnt gonna work. And your gonna be left with the test levels of a 12 year old girl after the smoke clears.

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I will use your advice man.Thanks alot.I never heard of triptorollin or osta but they seem like good products for pct from what I read. Ntbm products have great reviews so im really looking forward to come off. I have a feeling I will be better off in PCT and after.I want to recover more than anything,so I will follow your advice.

HRT.. Eh,even being on 100-150 mg test/week gives me moodswings. I dont know how well Id do on HRT.
 
Like Joe said...Uniquemicals MK-2866 is a great product for a 1/3 of the price of other suppliers.

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Will do. Are you not allowed to share it in the thread? Just asking because if you give me a source over PM i'd like to come back and post it here for the community.

I got bac water from osta-gain.com and they have ostarine for $99. Has anyone tried any of their sarms or serms? Quality bac water doesn't say too much...however they did ship fast.

Looks like greatwhitepeptides has it too. I saw a 30% off coupon for GWP floating around the web and seems like people here have good things to say about tem.
 
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Greatwhite or sarms search both are gtg.

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Thanks I will use this code.

Joe when you said (1-8) Did you mean 1-8 weeks then 8-16 weeks?

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/Unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

Also you dont recommend HCGenerate? Id like to use it if it'll have any benefits when Im coming off.
 
Thanks I will use this code.

Joe when you said (1-8) Did you mean 1-8 weeks then 8-16 weeks?



Also you dont recommend HCGenerate? Id like to use it if it'll have any benefits when Im coming off.

Yes those are weeks. If you do use hcgen use it then use it last 4 weeks. Right now you need to blast hcg to get your balls pumping again.

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Yes those are weeks. If you do use hcgen use it then use it last 4 weeks. Right now you need to blast hcg to get your balls pumping again.

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Im blasting 250 iu 3 time s a week now.. Should I stop HCG when I begin pct?

Also any ETA on unleashed/post cycle?

Thanks for the %20.. Really need it in the case.
 
Yes stop hcg when pct begins. Unleashed should be instock soon.

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For the remaining 4 weeks of the cyle blast hcg at 1000-2000 ius week. Then 3 days after last pin start pct.

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

I made it very extensive as your very shutdown and recovery will take time.

Use code joeb15 for 15%off at needtobuildmuscle.com

NTBM REP

Just wondering why the phytoserms on the second Half of the PCT and not the first?
 
For the remaining 4 weeks of the cyle blast hcg at 1000-2000 ius week. Then 3 days after last pin start pct.

PCT
Do one 100 mcg shot of triptorellin
(1-8)
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed
Forma
Daa
Osta 25 mg day

(8-16)
Bridge
Daa
Phytoserms 347

I made it very extensive as your very shutdown and recovery will take time.

Use code joeb15 for 15%off at needtobuildmuscle.com

NTBM REP
I would almost agree with the above except I have to make a few changes. My set up would look like this

(1-8)
Postcycle/unleashed ( 1 cap of each spread out 3 times a day)
Forma ( 5 pumps am and pm the first 6 weeks, drop down to 3 am and 3 pm the last 2 weeks)
Daa ( full dose every day N2BM-DAA or Powerchews DAA both good)

1-6
Clomid 25 mg day (I would cut this at 6 weeks)
Rs-transaderm 5 pumps am and pm every day. This will take the place of the sarms help recovery a lot more hinder recovery a lot less.


8-12 I would add in a round of hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
Daa ( same as above)
8-16 DAA ( same as above)
8-16 Triazole by Driven Sports ( I would recomend some slight estrogen reduction during this 2 weeks. This plus the phytoserm is perfect)
12-16
Phytoserms 347 ( 1 cap am 1 cap pm)

Still A total of 16 week pct with a few changes. You may also Run ether Growth hormones 3ius a day during this entire time or you can opt for GHRP-2 100ius am and pm and CJC596 100ius am and pm
I would also recommend weeks 1-6 or throughout the entire pct running Need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day and keep your calories high but clean during pct. :rose:
 
I would almost agree with the above except I have to make a few changes. My set up would look like this

(1-8)
Postcycle/unleashed ( 1 cap of each spread out 3 times a day)
Forma ( 5 pumps am and pm the first 6 weeks, drop down to 3 am and 3 pm the last 2 weeks)
Daa ( full dose every day N2BM-DAA or Powerchews DAA both good)

1-6
Clomid 25 mg day (I would cut this at 6 weeks)
Rs-transaderm 5 pumps am and pm every day. This will take the place of the sarms help recovery a lot more hinder recovery a lot less.


8-12 I would add in a round of hcgenerate 3 caps am 2 caps pm
Daa ( same as above)
8-16 DAA ( same as above)
8-16 Triazole by Driven Sports ( I would recomend some slight estrogen reduction during this 2 weeks. This plus the phytoserm is perfect)
12-16
Phytoserms 347 ( 1 cap am 1 cap pm)

Still A total of 16 week pct with a few changes. You may also Run ether Growth hormones 3ius a day during this entire time or you can opt for GHRP-2 100ius am and pm and CJC596 100ius am and pm
I would also recommend weeks 1-6 or throughout the entire pct running Need2slin 1 cap 3 times a day and keep your calories high but clean during pct. :rose:

So you recommend rs transaderm over phytoserms in pct at first?


You dont recommend doing 1 shot of triptorelin ? In the beggining of PCT?

I will do HGH after my pct.Ive found a good source of hygetropin.
I have a torn labrum.. I will use it after I get my surgery to speed recovery up. I could run low dose throughout pct but I want my receptors fresh for post surgery.

Ive never done GH before.. It doesn't shut you down like AAS and you get no sides? It sounds too be good to be true.


Reporting in on HCG use: I've pinned 3 500 ius and the boys are waking up. They seem fuller in size. I also have a slight increase in libido. I had really good energy in the gym today. Things are looking good. Excited to come off for good.
 
Unleashed/PC is still out of stock .I need these items within two weeks. I will have to lean towards bridge and hcgenerate if i cant get my hands on em.
 
Unleashed/PC is still out of stock .I need these items within two weeks. I will have to lean towards bridge and hcgenerate if i cant get my hands on em.

Postcycle is in stock so Id get that. Since unleashed is out of stock Id pick up enough proviron to last 4 weeks and run that in its place. Then when unleashed comes back load up on it. Then you can swap them out and finish with unleashed.

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Postcycle is in stock so Id get that. Since unleashed is out of stock Id pick up enough proviron to last 4 weeks and run that in its place. Then when unleashed comes back load up on it. Then you can swap them out and finish with unleashed.

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The 3-4 divan in forged post cycle is plenty strong enough to lower shbg and raise free test... In fact

Forged Post Cycle utilizes 95% pure extract, the highest percentage available today, of a lignan contained in nettle root called 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran has a very strong binding affinity to SHBG, making it next to impossible for SHBG to bind with testosterone. It’s a known fact that SHBG is at its highest at the end of most hormone cycles. So lowering it would only seem intelligent. 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran's binding affinity makes every ounce of test in your body count post cycle.

Interaction of lignans with human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).
Schottner M, Gansser D, Spiteller G.
Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie I, Universitat Bayreuth, Germany.

Lignans bind to sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG). The lignan with the highest binding affinity is (+/ )-3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. In a double Stobbe condensation--without use of protecting groups--a wide variety of lignans with different substitution pattern in the aromatic and aliphatic part of the molecule was synthesized. These lignans were tested in a SHBG-binding assay which allowed to deduce the following relationship between structure and activity: 1) (+/-)-diastereoisomers are more active than meso compounds 2.) the 4-hydroxy-3-methoxy (guajacyl) substitution pattern in the aromatic part is most effective 3.) the activity increases with the decline in polarity of the aliphatic part of the molecule.

Lignans from the roots of Urtica dioica and their metabolites bind to human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).
Schottner M, Gansser D, Spiteller G.
Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie I, Universitat Bayreuth, Germany.

Polar extracts of the stinging nettle (Urtica dioica L.) roots contain the ligans (+)-neoolivil, (-) secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, pinoresinol, and 3,4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran. These compounds were either isolated from Urtica roots, or obtained semisynthetically. Their affinity to human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) was tested in an in vitro assay. In addition, the main intestinal transformation products of plant lignans in humans, enterodiol and enterolactone, together with enterofuran were checked for their activity. All lignans except (-) pinoresinol developed a binding affinity to SHBG in the in vitro assay. The affinity of (-)-3,4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran was outstandingly high These findings are discussed with respect to potential beneficial effects of plant lignans on benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).

Forged Post Cycle Therapy - Post Cycle Therapy Supplements

We also use it in our hcgenerate too.
 
Postcycle is in stock so Id get that. Since unleashed is out of stock Id pick up enough proviron to last 4 weeks and run that in its place. Then when unleashed comes back load up on it. Then you can swap them out and finish with unleashed.



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You got me all confused now.. Isn't proviron an AA? I dont have time to run it at the end right now.



The 3-4 divan in forged post cycle is plenty strong enough to lower shbg and raise free test... In fact

Forged Post Cycle utilizes 95% pure extract, the highest percentage available today, of a lignan contained in nettle root called 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran has a very strong binding affinity to SHBG, making it next to impossible for SHBG to bind with testosterone. It’s a known fact that SHBG is at its highest at the end of most hormone cycles. So lowering it would only seem intelligent. 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran's binding affinity makes every ounce of test in your body count post cycle.

Interaction of lignans with human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).
Schottner M, Gansser D, Spiteller G.
Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie I, Universitat Bayreuth, Germany.

Lignans bind to sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG). The lignan with the highest binding affinity is (+/ )-3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran. In a double Stobbe condensation--without use of protecting groups--a wide variety of lignans with different substitution pattern in the aromatic and aliphatic part of the molecule was synthesized. These lignans were tested in a SHBG-binding assay which allowed to deduce the following relationship between structure and activity: 1) (+/-)-diastereoisomers are more active than meso compounds 2.) the 4-hydroxy-3-methoxy (guajacyl) substitution pattern in the aromatic part is most effective 3.) the activity increases with the decline in polarity of the aliphatic part of the molecule.

Lignans from the roots of Urtica dioica and their metabolites bind to human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).
Schottner M, Gansser D, Spiteller G.
Lehrstuhl Organische Chemie I, Universitat Bayreuth, Germany.

Polar extracts of the stinging nettle (Urtica dioica L.) roots contain the ligans (+)-neoolivil, (-) secoisolariciresinol, dehydrodiconiferyl alcohol, isolariciresinol, pinoresinol, and 3,4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran. These compounds were either isolated from Urtica roots, or obtained semisynthetically. Their affinity to human sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) was tested in an in vitro assay. In addition, the main intestinal transformation products of plant lignans in humans, enterodiol and enterolactone, together with enterofuran were checked for their activity. All lignans except (-) pinoresinol developed a binding affinity to SHBG in the in vitro assay. The affinity of (-)-3,4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran was outstandingly high These findings are discussed with respect to potential beneficial effects of plant lignans on benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).



We also use it in our hcgenerate too.

So would you rather have me use forged instead of unleashed b/c its out of stock?

Im sorry for asking for many questions but all these products are new to me..The hcgenerate,bridge,unleashed,forge etc.. Im doing the best I can do learn about them So I can use it properly.
 
You got me all confused now.. Isn't proviron an AA? I dont have time to run it at the end right now.





So would you rather have me use forged instead of unleashed b/c its out of stock?

Im sorry for asking for many questions but all these products are new to me..The hcgenerate,bridge,unleashed,forge etc.. Im doing the best I can do learn about them So I can use it properly.

It is but its very mild and I use it if Im out of unleashed temporarily. If you dont have it accessible then postcycle will be fine. But when unleashed is in stock Id jump on it.

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transderm is a DHEA..why would I use a hormone in PCT???


Since Transaderm supplies the body with an outside source of hormones and causes such a significant boost in hormone levels, it can eventually suppress the body's natural hormone production. Therefore, it is recommended that Transaderm be cycled to avoid inhibition.*

This is horrible advice. Im telling you guys I want to come off for good and both of you are recommending a hormone in PCT..
 
Alright so heres my order.

No sarms or DHEA. I don't want anything that can supress me.


1 Bridge
1 Forma stanzol
2 HCGenerate
1 Post cycle double pack
1 DAA
1 Phytoserms
+Triptorelin, Clomid.


I plan to run

1st half

1 shot triptorellin
Clomid 50 mg ed
forma
post cycle pack
daa
hcgenerate

2nd half

phyto
Hcgenerate
bridge
daa
 
Alright so heres my order.

No sarms or DHEA. I don't want anything that can supress me.

Smart guy.

It sounds like you haven't overly abused your body, so time is probably the number one best thing you have that will get you back to normal. Good PCT won't hurt either, but for your plan I have a couple of thoughts:

Why no Hcg?

Why tryptorelin? I'd be skeptical about this one. It actually lowers T, LH and FSH after an initial surge. I read some positive use of it in PCT if you know what your doing, but honestly, you are going to recover just fine without it, so I'm not sure I'd mess with it.

(I am not a licensed physician).
:)


Triptorelin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The result from taking Triptorelin is a gradual reduction of testosterone in the body, which is why the best use for this peptide is part of a post-cycle therapy where you need to reduce testosterone before it aromatizes into estrogen.
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Smart guy.

It sounds like you haven't overly abused your body, so time is probably the number one best thing you have that will get you back to normal. Good PCT won't hurt either, but for your plan I have a couple of thoughts:

Why no Hcg?

Why tryptorelin? I'd be skeptical about this one. It actually lowers T, LH and FSH after an initial surge. I read some positive use of it in PCT if you know what your doing, but honestly, you are going to recover just fine without it, so I'm not sure I'd mess with it.

(I am not a licensed physician).
:)


I never abused AAs but I never recovered %100 from them because I didn't properly use hcg and transit into PCT.This is my last resort.

Im blasting HCG right now 500 iu ED.. Im feeling a good,no major mood swings.Libido is up and somehow im making gains.Im spooning my girl more than usual-this is good for at the end of my cycle!. My weight is up as well. Things are looking good.

I did some research on it where people have recovered well just doing one shot of triptorellin.


During the treatment of prostate cancer it does cause a surge of testosterone (an initial uplevel of testosterone levels), known as a flare effect. In men a reduction of serum testosterone levels into the range normally seen after surgical castration occurs approximately two to four weeks after initiation of therapy. In contrast, gonadotropin-releasing hormone antagonists do not cause a surge, but a sudden reduction of testosterone levels.

Remember this is for regular patients who are taking it on a regular basis.


GnRH (Triptorelin) – The next generation in PCT and fertility

GnRH (Gonadotropin-releasing hormone) or Triptorelin is actually nothing new. Though, with the results from a new study (I’ll get to that later), we are now just realizing its true potential for being a staple in the normal anabolic steroids users recovery or restart. GnRH has actually been used for a long time by horse breeders, and a way to stimulate the anterior pituitary to release follicle-stimulating hormone, or FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . With this stimulation, the horses became more fertile, and breeding would commence. This helped breeders keep their horses sexually active, and help them become fertile.

First, we will talk a little about FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - . FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - is one of the two main hormones responsible for sexual reproduction regulations (along with lh - leutenizing hormone - ). FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - plays the main role in stimulating the production and maturation of germ cells (which either become sperm in males, or eggs in females). This mean, when your pituitary is stimulated to produce FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - (as a reaction from GnRH), FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - will begin to stimulate the production of sperm in men. GnRH pulses in our bodies, and that pulse controls when we produce FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - .
How does GnRH play a role in this? Well, GnRH is normally a chemical that is sent from our brain to the pituitary to tell it to produce both FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - and lh - leutenizing hormone - . When a small pulse dose of GnRH (around 100mcg) is injected, your pituitary receives that signal to start producing. This will result in both an increase in testosterone serum (as a result from the lh - leutenizing hormone - stimulation) and an increase in sperm (or egg in a female case) count. The result may be a clean and effective jumpstart to our reproductive system for anabolic steroids users, and all that this jumpstart requires is one small dose.

Dosing and side effects

Like many chemicals, we want to really pay attention to our dosing. GnRH makes a great jumpstart, probably now the most effective jumpstart chem, because unlike HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , it stimulates both lh - leutenizing hormone - and FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - to a higher extent and has a much more lasting effect. But much like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , dihydrotestosterone, HMB, ect ect, we need to be very careful with our pituitary and avoid hyper-stimulation. We need to pulse it once, at a small dose, simulating the pulse that is normally sent from our brain, and then let our bodies do the rest of the work.
GnRH is so powerful that large doses (around 4mg), repeated once a month, is being used as a chemical form of castration. This dose is so intense on the pituitary, that it hyper-stimulates, resulting in castration-like levels of testosterone serum in the body. Much like HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - , dosing is delicate, and too much is not a good thing. We need to use GnRH as a restart, one-and-done, and not over-do things because it may have a much more opposite and negative effect.

Without any further talk, here is my recommendation for use. One single 100mcg dose per cycle, after all esters have cleared the body and you are 100% ready for recovery. HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - should still be used on-cycle, but in my opinion this full-stimulation should be saved for the PCT and recovery phase. Use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - on cycle to continue simulating lh - leutenizing hormone - , and then GnRH in the post cycle. Studies I have read have seen results from even 600mcg used in a three-day period, and still hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - function was completely restored, and his hormone levels remained within the normal range during three checkups within the following year. This suggests that the restart will not have the “flare” effect if used at reasonable doses. Another study showed the same effect, with a dose of only one 100mcg injection into a bodybuilder who had been shutdown for 13 years. That said, no more then 100mcg per 4 months. Do not exceed 1mg within a year to avoid the castration-like shutdown of your system. That even gives you room to do it after an 8-week cycle, take the appropriate time off, and then begin another. And for oral-only cycles that are under 8 weeks, save your money, as Triptorelin is not cheap stuff.
 
You got me all confused now.. Isn't proviron an AA? I dont have time to run it at the end right now.





So would you rather have me use forged instead of unleashed b/c its out of stock?

Im sorry for asking for many questions but all these products are new to me..The hcgenerate,bridge,unleashed,forge etc.. Im doing the best I can do learn about them So I can use it properly.

If unleashed it out you could find avena sativa at vitamins shoppe
 
I never abused AAs but I never recovered %100 from them because I didn't properly use hcg and transit into PCT.This is my last resort.

Im blasting HCG right now 500 iu ED.. Im feeling a good,no major mood swings.Libido is up and somehow im making gains.Im spooning my girl more than usual-this is good for at the end of my cycle!. My weight is up as well. Things are looking good.

How do you know you never recovered? Maybe I'm mis reading, but you make it sound that unless you do some sort of PCT, you will never recover. That's not true. It might take longer, but your body, sensing low T levels, should start producing again, unless you were on so long that you did permanent damage, and it doesn't sound like you ever did really long cycles.
That's how we did it in the old days: Juice, quit, go through a period of weakness and shrinking, try to lift hard to fight it, then slowly start feeling back to normal again. :)

I did some research on it where people have recovered well just doing one shot of triptorellin.

Yeah, I know that info is out there, but as you know, it is tricky business because it will shut you down as well. As long as you have the whole story, its up to you. But again, you are going to recover without it anyway.
 
How do you know you never recovered? Maybe I'm mis reading, but you make it sound that unless you do some sort of PCT, you will never recover. That's not true. It might take longer, but your body, sensing low T levels, should start producing again, unless you were on so long that you did permanent damage, and it doesn't sound like you ever did really long cycles.
That's how we did it in the old days: Juice, quit, go through a period of weakness and shrinking, try to lift hard to fight it, then slowly start feeling back to normal again. :)



Yeah, I know that info is out there, but as you know, it is tricky business because it will shut you down as well. As long as you have the whole story, its up to you. But again, you are going to recover without it anyway.



After two months of my last cycle,I got ill. I went and got bloods done and my levels were at 470 for test.. I had low libido,no motivation to workout. If I worked out It took over a week to get rid of the soreness.The bloods also showed elevated liver enzymes. What caused me to hop back on was because i was feeling like shit and had no libido. As I said in my original post,I was going to administer self trt because hopping on and off cycles was a point of time. So I jumped back to 200mg test to then down to 100mg which im currently on.

I was never on for longer than 3 months but thats long enough to do permanent damage. This time im coming off for good because from the time I was 21 to 24 it feels like I aged to 45 all of a sudden. Fuck steroids. They ruined my life.Its not worth a damn thing for our ego. I was such a beast before them. Ill admit that I was wrong and began early. But when you see all your role models starting at a young age you get tempted.
 
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transderm is a DHEA..why would I use a hormone in PCT???




This is horrible advice. Im telling you guys I want to come off for good and both of you are recommending a hormone in PCT..

This is if you take too much for too long. However a 2-4 week light run will simple help the body jump start test production. small percentage of users, Rs-transaderm becomes such a powerful testosterone booster, that it can eventually suppress LH & FSH to some degree. This is due to a unpredicted variance in 17b hSD levels in different subjects and the peripheral conversion rate of DHEA > T. This issue can be side-stepped by applying to different application spots. Maybe a little far advanced for some people to understand so please forgive me I figured you would just take my word for it considering you asked for me personally.

Remember Rs-transaderm Has "bio-identical hormonal precursors". This is not a " pro hormone" Or a steroid not at all there is a big difference.. bio-identical hormonal precursors will cause a rise in other target hormones but only become suppressive when these other target hormones go beyond natural levels. Something that is not going to happen with someone like your self who is despretly trying to recover. Nevertheless in the program I have designed for you you still have other phases of pct left after using the Rs-transaderm which would still insure recovery even if test levels went a little high during this phase of the pct which I highly doubt will happen however do not see as such a bad thing if they did...

In any event feel free to use what ever you feel comfortable with my friend no harm done here I just like to help. Thanks :rose:
 
You got me all confused now.. Isn't proviron an AA? I dont have time to run it at the end right now.





So would you rather have me use forged instead of unleashed b/c its out of stock?

Im sorry for asking for many questions but all these products are new to me..The hcgenerate,bridge,unleashed,forge etc.. Im doing the best I can do learn about them So I can use it properly.

Yes that is fine to do. And its no problem at all my friend it was all new to many of us when we first started. I dont expect anyone to know as much as me. Unless they have 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 5 years worth of research under their belt lol.. I enjoy learning and teaching just the same so ask as much as you like.
 
Yes that is fine to do. And its no problem at all my friend it was all new to many of us when we first started. I dont expect anyone to know as much as me. Unless they have 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 5 years worth of research under their belt lol.. I enjoy learning and teaching just the same so ask as much as you like.

whats your view on a shot of triptorellin at the beggining of pct?
 
Anyone have feedback on great white peptides? Their triptorelin is extremely cheap. On other websites its about $60.. This seller in my gym said if its cheap its bunk.. The brand he has is $120 and another brand is $70
 
Anyone have feedback on great white peptides? Their triptorelin is extremely cheap. On other websites its about $60.. This seller in my gym said if its cheap its bunk.. The brand he has is $120 and another brand is $70

I use their products and they are gtg

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Ok well Ill just stick with theirs. I was told if its cheap its bunk thats why I asked.


I have a few questions. I just started HCGenerate just about a week before I come off so when I stop pinning it'll be kicking in. Should I start using forma right now to control estrogen rebound? Im a week out from pct.
 
Day 3 on HCGenerate. ( 5 days out from pct)

Sense of well being seems up. Im been in a better mood since I started taking it .My libido has increased slightly as well. I had more desire to have sex the past two days.

I took 3 days off for full recovery. I will be back in the gym tomorrow and report in after.
 
I have more strength and endurance throughout my workouts. I dont know if this is the result of forma,creatine or hcgenerate.But things are going well. I just did my last pin. Im ready for hell of a pct.
 
2nd day in PCT

I think the triptorelin was bunk. I did not feel anything from it. Thats what you get for a $15 peptide.

No loss OR increase of libido or any weight so far. I will workout tomorrow for the 1st time in PCT. I will report back.
 
6th day of PCT.

Ive been feeling really irritable at my girlfriend and I feel down at some point of the day but it goes away. Its most likely the clomid that makes me emotional.

Besides that workouts are going good. I have increased stamina. My body weight is the same.Muscles feel dense and hard .I recover fast from my workouts.
 
17th day of pct... I feel good. Energy is high and workouts are going great. No loss of strength or weight.

The only problem is my libido is low. No drive to have sex at all. I can get a wood but its hard to keep it up. I do wake up with morning wood.
 
Almost a month into PCT and libido is non-existant. I can get it up but the drive is not there.. Im depressed as fuck but Im staying strong. Weight and strength remains the same. NTBM products doesnt work IMO or it could be just that Im permanently shutdown or its the clomid.. When I was taking HCG at the end of the cycle things were going well. Im going to get more HCG and run it 250iu x3/week to see if it changes things.
 
Almost a month into PCT and libido is non-existant. I can get it up but the drive is not there.. Im depressed as fuck but Im staying strong. Weight and strength remains the same. NTBM products doesnt work IMO or it could be just that Im permanently shutdown or its the clomid.. When I was taking HCG at the end of the cycle things were going well. Im going to get more HCG and run it 250iu x3/week to see if it changes things.

Dude your only a month into pct!!!! Look up how aas half life works
 
Almost a month into PCT and libido is non-existant. I can get it up but the drive is not there.. Im depressed as fuck but Im staying strong. Weight and strength remains the same. NTBM products doesnt work IMO or it could be just that Im permanently shutdown or its the clomid.. When I was taking HCG at the end of the cycle things were going well. Im going to get more HCG and run it 250iu x3/week to see if it changes things.

What exactly have you taken to this point? I know you had like 10 different protocols thrown at you. And what Ntbm prods are you using? The unleashed/ post cycle should have your libido strong. I'm using unleashed and hcgen on tren and I'm screwing like a pornstar. But like I said before a full recovery is gonna take time and patience.


Use code joeb15 for 15% of at Ntbm.

Use code TEAM1001 at ruthless supps for a $50 off discount on transaderm and phytoserms.
 
I used test prop and its half life is like 4-5 days...

Thats not how it works tho buddy. Yes, 4-5 days but it keeps adding up each time and if you did eod so 150 for today in 4-5 days HALF LIFE will 75 but you injected eod so your test levels will go up and up and up. Get it. So it will come down the same way so if peak bloods were 3000 e5d it will clim down.

Make more sense? You cant expect things to be a ok rite away. I kno ur thinking well prop is a short ester but it also shuts you down quicker!

You probly ran 8 weeks so one month pct then 2 more months off you should be gtg. You run bloods then and see and if not we'll fix what we need accordingly. Stop trippin out it takes time brotha
 
Almost a month into PCT and libido is non-existant. I can get it up but the drive is not there.. Im depressed as fuck but Im staying strong. Weight and strength remains the same. NTBM products doesnt work IMO or it could be just that Im permanently shutdown or its the clomid.. When I was taking HCG at the end of the cycle things were going well. Im going to get more HCG and run it 250iu x3/week to see if it changes things.

Earlier you said that you never recovered from past cycles. You said that you were completely shut down from a 3 month cycle. Now PCT doesn't work. You tried this high risk Tryptorellin crap which you think you can lecture us on like you are some kind of endocrinologist. You seem like some kind of paranoid hypochondriac.
 
What exactly have you taken to this point? I know you had like 10 different protocols thrown at you. And what Ntbm prods are you using? The unleashed/ post cycle should have your libido strong. I'm using unleashed and hcgen on tren and I'm screwing like a pornstar. But like I said before a full recovery is gonna take time and patience.


Use code joeb15 for 15% of at Ntbm.

Use code TEAM1001 at ruthless supps for a $50 off discount on transaderm and phytoserms.



You are on tren... When I did tren i was beating off 4-5 times a day..



I did 1 shot of triptorellin.
I did a 3 week HCG blast phase before coming off.
50 mg clomid for 2 weeks then 25 mg till now.
I used forma about 6 pumps for the 1st 2 weeks.
Ive been using TRS stack from PP.I had it as a backup because i never used NTBM products. Im now running it along with post cycle/hcgen.

Maybe Im cutting out too much estrogen?




Everything is fine except libido and mood,which is acceptable for me because I just came off. But Post-cycle/hcgenerate does nothing to libido so far. Im stopping clomid at this point. I have a extra post cycle/hcgen/bridge and phytoserms bottle for later use.









Earlier you said that you never recovered from past cycles. You said that you were completely shut down from a 3 month cycle. Now PCT doesn't work. You tried this high risk Tryptorellin crap which you think you can lecture us on like you are some kind of endocrinologist. You seem like some kind of paranoid hypochondriac.


Triptorlin was bunk,did not feel anything.
 
You also need to be running unleashed to lower shbg. If that's high your libido will tank. And it will raise free test to help with your mood. It doesn't matter how much test is in your body if it can't be used. I also don't agree with running 50 mg clomid. That's another reason you feel like shit. 25 is more then enough to do the job. I would use a low dose of forma so you don't completely wipe out estrogen all together. Low e is just as bad as high e. See how this works then get bloods in a couple weeks to see where you are.


Use code joeb15 for 15% of at Ntbm.

Use code TEAM1001 at ruthless supps for a $50 off discount on transaderm and phytoserms.
 
The hcgenerate should already be doing that.

But the unleashed is another valuable weapon in the arsenal so I would incorporate it.


Use code joeb15 for 15% of at Ntbm.

Use code TEAM1001 at ruthless supps for a $50 off discount on transaderm and phytoserms.
 
I stopped using everything else but toco8 and endoamp by PP for the past two weeks. Ever since I cut out clomid and forma I started feeling 100 times better. I was cutting out too much estrogen. Everything is going good,I havent lost weight or gotten weak

I have a bottle of HCGenerate,bridge and phytoserms.. Which one would be beneficial right now? I plan on giving my receptors a few more weeks before I attempt to naturally boost test levels.
 
Hcgenerate is a good choice and the only one of the 3 I have used, but any of them would probably be beneficial.
 
I've been off cycle for about 3 months now.I just got bloods done and my total test came out to be 399 in the range of 250-890..Im still waiting for free test and shbg levels. The endo doc said my levels are normal and promising. I don't know how that is promising though,its not promising for me . Im suffering from all symptoms of low test and depression.

Fuck steroids.I felt 100 times better when I was natty,I fucked like a bunny and I made great results and looked great.Now my dick is broken at age 24 and I have no desire to have sex,when I have sex it doesn't even feel the same anymore. I hope some younger people can read this and take an example. If you do steroids,there is no turning back.Don't give me shit about how I did it wrong,because I followed the typical PCT protocol. Either you stay on them or you pay the price like I'm paying it BIG time right now. There is a possible chance of recovery but it may take a year or two,so Im still keeping my hopes up.


All products by needs to build muscle are bunk. The claims they make are absurd. None of it raises your testosterone,libido or make you feel better. I've tried HCGenerate,bridge,psytoserms and I felt NOTHING from these products. So fuck you need to build muscle and your bullshit products. Ive wasted over $300 on your stupid products. Im the stupid one buying into it because I was desperate. Anyone who is going to try their products I warn you to not waste your money and invest in some real HCG or clomid. HCG was the only thing that made me feel good and gave me a sex drive while I was taking it. It's funny how NB2M reps like the montana guy critizes HCG and suggests his products over it. Well,to me HCG made me feel better and gave me actual results over the stupid nb2m products. Now they are gonna come attack me here and say I've caused even more damage doing HCG so that's why I'm not fully recovered..
 
First off my friend I am sorry you feel the way you do. Please send me a pm with the info to all your orders and I will refund you for all of them. You fail to understand not a single person in this thread including me cares about selling you a product. N2BM both as a company and as a family of people are hear doing all we can to help you and honestly the advice given by the majority is almost always spot on.

Looking over the thread however it looks to me like you have recovered as far as LH. FSH and test production. You have recovered as far as muscle recovery and many other things. However sex drive remains the problem. Really bro You are what I care about so lets address the problem and asee if we can get it fixed. I have been around many years and I have seen it all and trust me no problem is unfix-able. One thing I noticed is prolactin was never addressed. I know you only used prop this cycle but did use progestrins in prior cycles and even still all signs do point to this as the problem.

Would you be cool If I sent you a bottle of Dostinex and paid for it my self? If I did this would you take it and report back to us here on the forums?
 
First off my friend I am sorry you feel the way you do. Please send me a pm with the info to all your orders and I will refund you for all of them. You fail to understand not a single person in this thread including me cares about selling you a product. N2BM both as a company and as a family of people are hear doing all we can to help you and honestly the advice given by the majority is almost always spot on.

Looking over the thread however it looks to me like you have recovered as far as LH. FSH and test production. You have recovered as far as muscle recovery and many other things. However sex drive remains the problem. Really bro You are what I care about so lets address the problem and asee if we can get it fixed. I have been around many years and I have seen it all and trust me no problem is unfix-able. One thing I noticed is prolactin was never addressed. I know you only used prop this cycle but did use progestrins in prior cycles and even still all signs do point to this as the problem.

Would you be cool If I sent you a bottle of Dostinex and paid for it my self? If I did this would you take it and report back to us here on the forums?



Muscle wise I'm doing good and its mostly because of my diet. Diet is spot on.I don't drink alcohol or smoke. I don't eat junk,processed or packaged foods.Im still eating and training like a beast,but the motivation and sense of well being is just not there. It really sucks because it has effected me work wise as well.

Is tren a progestin? I used tren my 1st cycle which was 3 years ago. To be honest tren is what caused all this I think. It even gave me gyno.I get gyno from test as low as 200mg so it couldve been the combo of both. Ever since my 1st cycle I never felt %100.I never used deca. I used DHT from PP(androhard),I've used epi 2 times. I tried anavar and dbol from hulkbody which I believe was bunk or underdosed.


I'll need to get my prolactin checked.I've never heard of people using destonix. I dont know if I can trust someone online like that.How would I know what im taking is not dangerous?
 
Muscle wise I'm doing good and its mostly because of my diet. Diet is spot on.I don't drink alcohol or smoke. I don't eat junk,processed or packaged foods.Im still eating and training like a beast,but the motivation and sense of well being is just not there. It really sucks because it has effected me work wise as well.

Is tren a progestin? I used tren my 1st cycle which was 3 years ago. To be honest tren is what caused all this I think. It even gave me gyno.I get gyno from test as low as 200mg so it couldve been the combo of both. Ever since my 1st cycle I never felt %100.I never used deca. I used DHT from PP(androhard),I've used epi 2 times. I tried anavar and dbol from hulkbody which I believe was bunk or underdosed.


I'll need to get my prolactin checked.I've never heard of people using destonix. I dont know if I can trust someone online like that.How would I know what im taking is not dangerous?

Needto isn't just "someone online." He's a man dedicated to helping people in the sport of bodybuilding.

Now when I was younger I messed myself up and got gyno really badly. I contacted needto and he put me on a program with a number of compounds to use. I trusted him and did what he said and I recovered. His advice is golden. Oh and dostinex is a very widely used product among educated bodybuilder to reduce prolactin.

Anyway hope u find your cure, we're all here to help.
 
Needto has helped me as well and his advice worked perfectly, and worked with me every step of the way. I've never met him or talked to him outside of this forum, but I took the chance, trusted him and it worked. I had gyno issues and his protocol worked perfectly, his advice on a cycle gave me great results.

Yes he pushes his products, but come on man, he's willing to refund anyone for w/e reason just cuz they didn't get the results they wanted. Does he make bs excuses like "your diet sucked, your routine was no good, sorry man no refund it was your own fault", no, he simply says ok I want my customers happy how can I make it right?

So yes you are taking a chance, but you wont find someone to back their products like he will

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Muscle wise I'm doing good and its mostly because of my diet. Diet is spot on.I don't drink alcohol or smoke. I don't eat junk,processed or packaged foods.Im still eating and training like a beast,but the motivation and sense of well being is just not there. It really sucks because it has effected me work wise as well.

Is tren a progestin? I used tren my 1st cycle which was 3 years ago. To be honest tren is what caused all this I think. It even gave me gyno.I get gyno from test as low as 200mg so it couldve been the combo of both. Ever since my 1st cycle I never felt %100.I never used deca. I used DHT from PP(androhard),I've used epi 2 times. I tried anavar and dbol from hulkbody which I believe was bunk or underdosed.


I'll need to get my prolactin checked.I've never heard of people using destonix. I dont know if I can trust someone online like that.How would I know what im taking is not dangerous?

Yes tren is a progestin my friend. You do not have to trust me if you do not wish to but the offer stands good friend.
 
Muscle wise I'm doing good and its mostly because of my diet. Diet is spot on.I don't drink alcohol or smoke. I don't eat junk,processed or packaged foods.Im still eating and training like a beast,but the motivation and sense of well being is just not there. It really sucks because it has effected me work wise as well.

Is tren a progestin? I used tren my 1st cycle which was 3 years ago. To be honest tren is what caused all this I think. It even gave me gyno.I get gyno from test as low as 200mg so it couldve been the combo of both. Ever since my 1st cycle I never felt %100.I never used deca. I used DHT from PP(androhard),I've used epi 2 times. I tried anavar and dbol from hulkbody which I believe was bunk or underdosed.


I'll need to get my prolactin checked.I've never heard of people using destonix. I dont know if I can trust someone online like that.How would I know what im taking is not dangerous?

Ahhh...Tren as a first cycle, needto is being one HELL of a man right now and offering to make things right for what appears to be a oops on your part...you are 24 and you did Tren as a first cycle at age 21...sorry son, turn the finger you are pointing around to yourself instead of making a thread bashing a supplement company, a very reputable one at that...hopefully this is a lesson learned.

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Ahhh...Tren as a first cycle, needto is being one HELL of a man right now and offering to make things right for what appears to be a oops on your part...you are 24 and you did Tren as a first cycle at age 21...sorry son, turn the finger you are pointing around to yourself instead of making a thread bashing a supplement company, a very reputable one at that...hopefully this is a lesson learned.

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Well that was 3 years ago.But the damage is done I guess. It was my friend's idea. He said if I do it, might as well as use the top dog because you get shutdown no matter what. Im not bashing the supplement company,im bashing the results they claim,such as raising testosterone or boosting libido.I read a review where a guy used it after coming off TRT for a year and nb2m products worked for him so i thought to myself heck if he was on trt for that long and got good results off the product at that age I don't see why it wouldnt work for me because i never cycled more than 12 weeks. The products may work for someone who's never cycled and they could possibly benefit from the herbs.

Yes tren is a progestin my friend. You do not have to trust me if you do not wish to but the offer stands good friend.

But I used it rougly 3 years ago.Could my prolactin levels still be effected? i will get a blood test then.


what do you have to say about this article?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/16454843/#storyContinued

Please edit your post and remove lab and source names


I will photo copy it tomorrow at work.
 
Well that was 3 years ago.But the damage is done I guess. It was my friend's idea. He said if I do it, might as well as use the top dog because you get shutdown no matter what. Im not bashing the supplement company,im bashing the results they claim,such as raising testosterone or boosting libido.I read a review where a guy used it after coming off TRT for a year and nb2m products worked for him so i thought to myself heck if he was on trt for that long and got good results off the product at that age I don't see why it wouldnt work for me because i never cycled more than 12 weeks. The products may work for someone who's never cycled and they could possibly benefit from the herbs.



But I used it rougly 3 years ago.Could my prolactin levels still be effected? i will get a blood test then.


what do you have to say about this article?

Parkinson?s drugs riskier than thought - Health - Health care - More health news | NBC News




I will photo copy it tomorrow at work.

I think its a nice write up on a bunch of long term use studies don. I also think they studies where pretty cool too. However long term use and short duration use are very different. I think the risk is greatly reduced the less time you are on it.. Remeber Parkinson’s is forever and many of the people in the studies have been on it 15+ years but no less than at least 6 months to a year..

You would only need a months worth maybe 6 weeks makes as well as a lot less then they have used. :biggrin:
 
Not terrible. So have you been off all AAS since October? When you got this blood test, were you taking any PCT, natural test boosters or anything like that? If you were clean of all PCT, how long were you off?


Ive been off for 4 months now. This blood test was taken 2 weeks ago,so about 3 1/2 months after coming off.


Ive been using tribilus and ashwaganda.. I don't know if you'd consider that PCT.

I did pct for about 8 weeks. Which was clomid(stopped using it after 6 weeks),forma,endoamp,toco8 and sustain alpha. I used hcgenerate all along pct and after.

I took HCGenerate for 2 months after pct and didnt really see any libido boost so I stopped.
 
Doc said he'd get me some HCG again if I wanted.Is it worth it at this point? When I used it I was feeling great and felt libido boost and this was at the end of the cycle.
 
Any updates on recovery?

Its almost been 6 months now. I feel better than compared to a few months ago.Im not as depressed.My libido is a tad higher,still not where it used to be before cycling. Even though my test levels are low ,my girlfriend says im the biggest Ive ever been. My strength is at a pletaue. Remember Im not bodybuilding,I train for MMA 5-6 times a week,sometimes twice a day,so im not expecting strength or muscle gain.

Im getting bloodwork done in may to see if there is any improvement. The only thing that bothers me right now is random day time lethargy even if I sleept 8-10 hours the night before. I will get my thyroids checked.


They die like your hpta I believe you never recover ask any pro bb

But theyve been on for years,Ive only done it 3 months at a time.


PS . @ needtogetaas what happepened to the anti prolactin you were going to send me? and the refund?
 
Its almost been 6 months now. I feel better than compared to a few months ago.Im not as depressed.My libido is a tad higher,still not where it used to be before cycling. Even though my test levels are low ,my girlfriend says im the biggest Ive ever been. My strength is at a pletaue. Remember Im not bodybuilding,I train for MMA 5-6 times a week,sometimes twice a day,so im not expecting strength or muscle gain.

Im getting bloodwork done in may to see if there is any improvement. The only thing that bothers me right now is random day time lethargy even if I sleept 8-10 hours the night before. I will get my thyroids checked.




But theyve been on for years,Ive only done it 3 months at a time.


PS . @ needtogetaas what happepened to the anti prolactin you were going to send me? and the refund?

I've looked over the past couple pages and seen that you were all over the place during this recovery. What exactly did you do during pct? The only thing I saw in there from the original layout was clomid And hcgenerate. And I'm guessing you still haven't done anything to address prolactin, shbg, and free test? Test boosters can only do so much and it's even worse if your free test is low. Your test can be sky high but if free test is low the body isn't using it. I tried to look at the blood work but its not showing up for me. I'd like to see current blood work to see where your at and see what the issue still is? At the beginning of the thread I said it would be a long recovery process and you needed to be patient. So if we can figure out what's wrong at this point we can try and fix it. Have you pm'd Needto about the refund and dostinex?
 
I went through again and read just about everything. So I see that the triptorellin was bunk. And just as I suspected you never adressed the prolactin issues that were present from the early tren use. You also never took unleashed or proviron to lower shbg and raise free test. I'm suspecting that these are the reasons that your libido is in the dump still. The bloods will tell us for sure what the issue is.
 
Got bloodwork after 3 months.

No major difference in my test..Last time it was 399 and now its 405. The doc said lets try HCG one more time.


Im still suffering from low sex drive,fatigue,depression,motivation and drive in life.

I have everything else in check. I don't drink,smoke or eat any junk food. My diet consists of organic whole foods. Plenty of Omegas coming from flaxseed,hemp seeds and chia seeds. I eat plenty of nuts daily.



I also asked the doc to check dhea,prolactin and estrogen which all came in normal range.


I asked him if I were to take HGH would it benefit at all,he said that it wont benefit me at all eventhough my hgh levels are on the lower end and its normal for a "healthy" person to have lower levels.

Im tired of bullshit. Its almost if when you enter the dark side theres no going back. The doc wants to see my igf-1 levels now. He will see me again in a month after ive been taking 1,000 IU hcg weekly..

Either A) Im going to invest in a little hgh experiment to see if it would make any difference in my drive in life and vitality(1-2 IUs).

or B) go to a HRT clinic...What do you guys think? or I could wait out for at least a year?


Im getting inpatient and desperate. I want my vitality back.
 
Hey man I stumbled upon this thread doing a search so sorry for bumping an old thread.

But Ive been in the same boat for 2 years now and I never used AAS. The first year it was on a steady nosedive then flatlined for a year where my dick was useless except to piss out of.

My test level was super low (180) when i first tried figuring this out, so I thought boom I just have low test problem solved. Got a RX for test cyp, took it for 10 weeks and it made ZERO difference in libido. Got my bloods done again, test level was at 900. A high test level doesnt mean shit for libido.

So I gave up dealing with careless jackass docs and came here and started to do my own research. I fell for the hype around some of the same supplements too - without mentioning any names, I dont care who gets mad at me about it but that shit was pushed on me like it was the cure for cancer and all I got out of it was horrible acne and a couple hundred bucks lighter wallet when countless people swore to me it was the end of my problems. Its fucking hilarious too when you tell people it didnt work then it becomes, "well... buy another bottle. try that. double dose it" then you say hey it still didnt work. "well you took it wrong" or "you have some SERIOUS problems" Im seeing more and more threads where people are saying it didnt do anything as promised for them either.

So I stopped test and redid my bloodwork, me e2 level was at 60. ordered L-aroma (aromasin) from AG guys and Ive been on it less than a week now and its night and day difference. Im actually starting to remember what its like to want to use my dick now.

I went about it like a fool at first and just ordered supps ppl suggested, even droppin the $ on cabaser. Without bloodwork I was shooting in the dark, shoulda saved all the $ i threw away on supps to get blood drawn in the first place.


sorry didnt mean to write my entire life story but I at one point had totally lost hope and thought that was just the way things were gonna be from there on out. keep plugging away at it and youll figure it out, and understand that alot of people on here dont give a rats ass about your condition they want to sell you something. there is light at the end of the tunnel
 
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