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Arrgh! still confused about tren...

artrius

artrius

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Ok, I read the many faces of tren post, but I'm still a bit confused as to which one I should use. I don't really want to inject ED/EOD; I would prefer once a week. Which one would that be, and @ what dosage would be good? Also, I saw that tren acetate (?) comes in a pill form and you have to do some cooking to it to make it injectable... I have no cooking facilities right now, so that is out of the question.

I want to run a tren/winny cycle, just not sure how much.

Stats: 22y/o, 5'11, ~19% bf, ~245 lbs, been lifting 7 years. Never really done any gear, just some prohormones and ECA stacks.
Looking to drop down to 7-9%bf.

Thanks!
 
Tren acetate a.k.a. Fina is the one that needs to be injected ED/EOD. Tren enanthate is the longer ester.
 
So tren enanthate would be 1x per week? what would the dosage be?

I was looking at this: zencall tren 75mg/10ml vial --> how do I know if its tren ace or tren enanthate?
 
artrius said:
So tren enanthate would be 1x per week? what would the dosage be?

I was looking at this: zencall tren 75mg/10ml vial --> how do I know if its tren ace or tren enanthate?
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At 75mg/ml that is tren ace. Tren Enan is usually around 250mg/ml
 
even if u do get tren eth shoot it 2x a week, usually i did like sat and wed or so, since i usually take the weekends off from my lifting days. i dont like ed,, or eod shots either, too much constant soreness
 
Theres also tren hexcarb-somehting-or-another (parobolan), but I think it still needs to be injected 2x a week. The problem w/ the longer acting tren esthers is that you need to sell all your personal possessions to be able to afford a cycles worth of the shit. Fina (tren acetate) is cheap!
 
Tren acetate is painless. If you want to go with tren ent. then you still have to shoot twice a week. Parabolan is almost impossible to find, but it only needs to be shot once a week.
 
there is really now cooking... maybe a little heating.. ha ha....
but all you need is a kit... that kind would be 75mg day eod... average dose..

as far at ... the enanthate about 2 shots a week...
are you going to shoot winny or ..inject.. if you are going to inject the shots are about the same as acetate.. you put them in the same needle and save a jab...
 
British Dragon Pharm. makes a parabolan. Its not called 'parabolan' but its the same esther, same product. I believe its called trenabol depot.
 
ryan04 said:
British Dragon Pharm. makes a parabolan. Its not called 'parabolan' but its the same esther, same product. I believe its called trenabol depot.
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That's right. I forgot about that, it's new.
 
ryan04 said:
Theres also tren hexcarb-somehting-or-another (parobolan), but I think it still needs to be injected 2x a week. The problem w/ the longer acting tren esthers is that you need to sell all your personal possessions to be able to afford a cycles worth of the shit. Fina (tren acetate) is cheap!
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well it may be cheeper .... but are you counting it for the hole cycle..
i mean you are giving your self 1mg ed or eod... that adds up....

If you look at how much you need for say a 10 week
cycle and the fact it only takes 2cc's per week of the
stuff compared to injecting 1cc ED for fina (tren act)
the price really is not all that different... Just figure it
out for yourself, i have along with a few others and it's
not that big a difference... You're just seeing the big
price and not thinking how long and how much less you
need of the tren ent compared to the tren act...

Well just so try to explain what i mean, the place i have
in mind that have both versions of tren powders charges
roughly 50% more per gram for tren enanthate, but you
only need 400-500mg per week were with the tren ent
where with tren act you should be injecting ED somewhere
around 75-100mg so you would need 500-700mg per week...

The tren enanthate builds to very high levels in your body
after the 2-3 week mark so it requires less hormone to get
the tren to very high levels in your body...

So doing the math which one is really more expensive?

And BTW the tren act powder is cheaper then if you
went and bought finaplix-h pellets when you figure out
the per gram price too... tren enanthate is just a better
choice and if you factor everything in cheaper as well...
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I LOVE KARMA !!!
 
if this guy has never done a cycle, should tren be the first compuond to use? why not start with test/winny? remember diet is more important than gear for losing weight.

btw, progessive labs has parabolan/tren ace/tren enan and a combo of all three, while being reasonably priced. The reviews have been good to say the least.
 
I've got a friend that's using the tren enanthate, just shooting 1x per week, I think @ either 250mg or 350mg (can't remember which) and he's having great results. Even if I do have to shoot it 2x per week, how much should I do? 2cc's/wk? What would be a low but effective dose?

Also, as for why I don't want to do test... once again, the same friend I have has done 4-5 cycles with test in it (not sure what else) and he said he had pretty heavy water gain. I definantly don't want that, nor do I want the other major sides he was mentioning. He said that tren had some sides, but not nearly as bad as test. Please correct this statement if it is incorrect.

I was gonna do winny tabs @ 50mg ed. I imagine injecting would be better. What would be a good dosage for that?

Thanks guys!
 
Use 1cc every 4 days. Your friend is having great results shooting once a week but his body isn't liking it. His blood levels are on a roller coaster going up and down every week which is a great way to get sides like aggression, acne, high blood pressure, etc.

You are not your friend. Your results on test have nothing to do with his results. Using Tren without test is a terrible idea. Your body has many systems that NEED test. You are going to take it away from those systems if you don't add it back into your cycle. Getting by without it is not the same as keeping your body happy while you cycle. Use the test.

Not to flame you, but how can you have been on this board over two years and not know this?
 
Makavelli said:
Tren acetate is painless. If you want to go with tren ent. then you still have to shoot twice a week. Parabolan is almost impossible to find, but it only needs to be shot once a week.
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Not in my experience.
 
Ulter said:
Use 1cc every 4 days. Your friend is having great results shooting once a week but his body isn't liking it. His blood levels are on a roller coaster going up and down every week which is a great way to get sides like aggression, acne, high blood pressure, etc.

You are not your friend. Your results on test have nothing to do with his results. Using Tren without test is a terrible idea. Your body has many systems that NEED test. You are going to take it away from those systems if you don't add it back into your cycle. Getting by without it is not the same as keeping your body happy while you cycle. Use the test.

Not to flame you, but how can you have been on this board over two years and not know this?
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Well, I'll be on for a while and then leave for a while. Also, I have never really been in the roid forum, just in the diet/BB and powerlifting sections.

So you're saying that I should do a tren/test cycle instead? How would that impact the fatloss aspect?
 
artrius said:
I've got a friend that's using the tren enanthate, just shooting 1x per week, I think @ either 250mg or 350mg (can't remember which) and he's having great results. Even if I do have to shoot it 2x per week, how much should I do? 2cc's/wk? What would be a low but effective dose?

Also, as for why I don't want to do test... once again, the same friend I have has done 4-5 cycles with test in it (not sure what else) and he said he had pretty heavy water gain. I definantly don't want that, nor do I want the other major sides he was mentioning. He said that tren had some sides, but not nearly as bad as test. Please correct this statement if it is incorrect.

I was gonna do winny tabs @ 50mg ed. I imagine injecting would be better. What would be a good dosage for that?

Thanks guys!
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Tren enth. 2cc a week would be pretty good. 1cc 2 times a week.. .. tren shuts you down pretty quick... effects everyone differently and at different rates... Most people love test...
and it will keep you from having a limp dick while on tren.... .. maybe 200 week of test.... would be fine...
if you take some nalva or clomid...or arimidex.. that will help with the bloat..
if you have much..rom the test.. but some do not have that much.. and other my have it alot... just depends on how much you use or if you are more prone to the water retentenion.... staying away from salt can help quite abit too...
...but the reason most do test while runny tren.. is because of the sides of tren..... so i would have to say tren has worse sides... cramping.. and limp dick....
winny 25-50mg oral will get good results...
 
In my personal opinion it's very unlikely that you're going to go from 19%bf to 7-9% in a single cycle. You should do some serious dieting before and while on. Good luck either way. My cycle is:
Tren Acet, 100mg/eod, 1-8wks
Test Enth, 750mg/wk, 1-10wks

Gained quite a bit of weight while dropping to the low 5% bf. When I started I was at the mid 6% I believe. I'm not cutting, only bulking, but the tren is working wonders for me. Keep your diet in close check and keep the cardio way up and who knows! Good luck!

Chris
 
So let me make sure I understand this right... test+tren (preferably tren enanthate) but ditch the winny for a cutting cycle? Or should I keep the winny in?
 
artrius said:
So let me make sure I understand this right... test+tren (preferably tren enanthate) but ditch the winny for a cutting cycle? Or should I keep the winny in?
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bro i have never tried it but soon will... many that have tried winny and tren together love it..... keep the winny.... but if you do tren and winny you are going to get shut down quick.... so you will have no sex drive???
that is a strange feeling.... you dont want it... so add in the test... to keep you acting like a man..
 
Ulter said:
Like was posted. A simple 200mg a week will make a world of difference. In your cycle, your recovery, the delight with which you'll approach the opposite sex, assuming you like the opposite of course, and you'll just feel better. Never cycle without test. Throw your winny on top if you want.
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Oops, didn't see this. Ok, so here's what I'm thinking now:

8-10wks
test enan 200mg /wk
tren enan 1cc 2x/wk
50mg winny tabs ed

That sound like a good cycle? I'm sure I'll probably want to eat around 3k cals (maybe more? never been on the real stuff before). I lift 4-5x per week. Cardio varies, depending on PT with work.
 
Cool, I think I'll go with that. PCT... I've got a couple of bottles of 6oxo. I've read that I don't really need it on the winny, but what about the tren+test?
 
Ulter said:
Personally I would use more test. Like 500mg/wk. But you can certainly start with 200mg/wk and see what your water retention sides are like. Should be non-existant at that dose. Either way you should do very well with that.
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ya i deffinitly agree will Ulter.... good luck on that man..sounds good...
 
artrius said:
Cool, I think I'll go with that. PCT... I've got a couple of bottles of 6oxo. I've read that I don't really need it on the winny, but what about the tren+test?
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6 oxo ain't going to do shite for you.
You'll need HCG/nolva for the last week and then clomid for two weeks. Read the PCT forum as long as you're making the rounds here.
Good luck
 
I think I'll drop the winny @6 weeks instead of running it all the way through. This is looking like its gonna rack up quite a bill....
 
Ok, so I'm getting ready to order this stuff. Am I gonna be able to draw this stuff out of the bottle with a 25g needle? My buddy says he uses an 18g and then switches the needle to a 25g.

Also, where's a good place to get some needles?
 
Ok, I finally refound getpinz.com (couldn't remember the site name). What's the difference between the terumo and the b-d needles? And should I be injecting with 25g? or bigger?
 
I'm saw a tutorial on injecting that I found by searching around a bit... it said to use a 22 or 23. Should I just do that instead?

Also, I can do it all in one shot, right? Meaning I draw out 1cc of tren, then use a new needle on the same syringe to draw out 1cc test and then inject. I can do that, right?
 
go with 1.5 and ya is easier to use 18 to draw... but you can use 23...
i used 23 for both.. worked fine....
 
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