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Apparently I was wrong about dbol only cycles

HardHat87

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I had posted on another persons thread where a dbol only cycle was a waste of money and would gain very little if anything. Personally I have not done a dbol only cycle because I am not interested in an oral cycle and have always heard it is stupid to run it alone. Paulo and one other member said that if the cycle was done right a person could have good gains. I ma interested in anyone who has done a dbol only cycle to post their results and what the cycle was. I would still not do it but I want someone to prove me wrong. Thanks.
 
bump bump and bump very important
 
I ran a Dbol and Var only cycle reached my goals and kept about 9 pounds of great muscle! The 9 pounds really doesn't represent how different I look in the mirror eaither. I also had no sides except some zits on my chest they went away in a couple of days.
 
I am actually in the middle of a dbol only cycle and so far my gains are roughly 7 lbs, 2.5 weeks in, although Ive only been eating 3k cals a day. However my strength gains have been quite good...7 lbs up on one arm curl and 20 lbs up on bench (just a couple well known ones for reference). Ive had very few side effects except for a few zits on my face but they went away quickly as well. I can post a few pics tonight as well if you'd like.

One odd thing....somehow my bodyfat has actually gone down during my cycle....not sure why?
 
Dbol only cycles are great, but maintaining the gains takes immediate and complete pct. The only downside to not stacking as in later cycles you will need to take high mgs to get the effects you want and eventually you'd be better off holding back on the dbol dosages and adding some test. Initially though dbol is fine by itself and easy as it comes in timing pct.
 
steroids are steroids, you dont keep more muscle from one than another, so there is nothing wrong with dbol only, its only the water you lose afterwards, same as with any other drug
 
My first cycle was Dbol(about 10 years ago..), i blew up on it...had the dreaded shin pumps though, walking for too long became a problem.
 
Dbol alone was the bread and butter cycle since the 1960s through the 1980's before it got pulled because the amount flowing into BBer's and athletes was likely exceeding the amount used for legitimate theraputic purposes by several orders of magnitude. Remember that it was no big deal for a doc to write scripts back then - anabolics were not looked at as anything special and up until the 1990s the concensus in the uninformed general medical community was that they did not work for performance enhancement but functioned by placebo.

I've run well over 7 dbol only cycles - all of them very successful. I had no idea that gains couldn't be kept or that it was such a horrible choice unless it was stacked with an injectible until I started visiting these boards and laughing my ass off. I'm glad several generations were able to get good gains before these boards pulled the plug on it. I guess human physiology has changed in recent years or the dbol molecule no longer functions in the same way. :)

In reality the whole gain loss myth is largely propogated because the majority of people running dbol alone these days tend to be newbs. As a rule their training blows and they don't have a clue about much. Longer acting injects have a self tapering built into them. Current wisdom states not to taper orals at all, however, dbol and orals are the drugs that the tapers were originally designed for. Dbol is a fairly potent drug with a very short halflife and you can crash a bit stopping it all at once. Combine this with no experience, shitty training, and bad diet and all of a sudden you have a recipe for someone not able to hold the majority of their gains (even with immediate and perfect PCT, if your program sucks and does not create the stimulus to keep the body at a certain threshhold, you will loose the unnnecessary muscle - this is a pure survival mechanism since muscle is expensive from a caloric maintenance standpoint and a famine tends to kill off those with genes to hold tons of unnecessary muscle and no fat).
 
I ran a dbol only cycle in the spring of 2001. I was young and stupid and knew little to nothing about dbol. I had an older friend who had done many cycles figure out who much i shoudl take. I beleive i started off at a week of 2.5 mgs a day. weeks 2 and 3 were like 5 mgs a day. week 4 was like 7.5 and week 5 was 10 mgs a day. Then i cycled down. At week 3 i started nolvadex, about 10 mgs every other day through the rest of the cycle and then for an additional 2 weeks afterward. I did nothing pct. Now remember, i said i knew nothing about how or when to take steroids. The friend who set this cycle up was a close friend of mine who was about 5 foot 10 and 210 lbs. He'd been doing cycles for about 5 years. now i know people will probably bash me for this cycle, but i didnt' know what i was doing. But i'll hand it too my friend, i did gain about 30 lbs. and my strength went through the roof. i dont' really remember crashing, and i know my sex life was always fine. No gyno either. I also was taking a liver detox pill. I lost about half of the gains within the 2 to 3 months after i ended the cycle.

* I was talking to my wife and answering this thread and i have no idea why i wrote "If i only knew then what i know now!"
 
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HdanSjr said:
I ran a dbol only cycle in the spring of 2001. I was young and stupid and knew little to nothing about dbol. I had an older friend who had done many cycles figure out who much i shoudl take. I beleive i started off at a week of 2.5 mgs a day. weeks 2 and 3 were like 5 mgs a day. week 4 was like 7.5 and week 5 was 10 mgs a day. Then i cycled down. At week 3 i started nolvadex, about 10 mgs every other day through the rest of the cycle and then for an additional 2 weeks afterward. I did nothing pct. Now remember, i said i knew nothing about how or when to take steroids. The friend who set this cycle up was a close friend of mine who was about 5 foot 10 and 210 lbs. He'd been doing cycles for about 5 years. now i know people will probably bash me for this cycle, but i didnt' know what i was doing. But i'll hand it too my friend, i did gain about 30 lbs. and my strength went through the roof. i dont' really remember crashing, and i know my sex life was always fine. No gyno either. I also was taking a liver detox pill. I lost about half of the gains within the 2 to 3 months after i ended the cycle. If i only knew then what i know now!
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what would you have done different? I ran only Nolva for my PCT of Dbol and Var cycle and it was fine should I have run something else?
 
needsize said:
steroids are steroids, you dont keep more muscle from one than another, so there is nothing wrong with dbol only, its only the water you lose afterwards, same as with any other drug
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You tell them bro.....its a dbol bashing trent now a days.....becoming a joke...
 
what have all of you run for dosage on dbol only cycle. i was planning 25mg/ed. what can i expect. i have run a var only cycle 60mg/ed. what can i expect from 25mg/ed of Dbol. or should i bump it up. i was planning on runnin 25mg to see how my dody reacts to it
 
Wootoom said:
what have all of you run for dosage on dbol only cycle. i was planning 25mg/ed. what can i expect. i have run a var only cycle 60mg/ed. what can i expect from 25mg/ed of Dbol. or should i bump it up. i was planning on runnin 25mg to see how my dody reacts to it
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i would try 25
 
Del_Piero said:
You tell them bro.....its a dbol bashing trent now a days.....becoming a joke...
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I dont get it, its by far my favourite drug.....maybe someday I will get a clue about what works and then I can actually build a decent physique
 
needsize said:
I dont get it, its by far my favourite drug.....maybe someday I will get a clue about what works and then I can actually build a decent physique
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lol needsize dbol hasnt worked for you look at your pic. LOL!!!
 
can we get that link up ? I would like to see the pics. Non plat of course :) what should pct look like for 30mg daily dbol only for four to six weeks ? I think I am gonna try it by itself and decide for myself. Too many good bros on this site that say it is a good gain cycle. Can I get some help with the pct question on this dbol only ?
 
Wootoom said:
what have all of you run for dosage on dbol only cycle. i was planning 25mg/ed. what can i expect. i have run a var only cycle 60mg/ed. what can i expect from 25mg/ed of Dbol. or should i bump it up. i was planning on runnin 25mg to see how my dody reacts to it
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25 is plenty my man!


RADAR
 
Wootoom said:
man i want dbol only results posted. lots of people have done it lets see good/bad results please
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25mg is plenty. If you don't see results it's either fake or you aren't going to the gym to all.

I can hardly remember enough details to post much in the way of results. This was a long time ago. I will tell you about the last time I ran it which was fairly memorable. A few caveats first: 1) This wasn't new growth but I was just getting back up to size after a layoff 2) I respond very well to anabolics 3) I was doing deads, cleans, and rock bottom squats when the bodybuilding community was still totally deluded into believing the cable pulley row was a great exercise 4) I draw the line for my weight at the low 240s. I could like carry quite a bit more and with drugs have no problem getting there even on marginal dosages but this is where I like to be. 5) The taper and pyramid strategies were popular back then. 6) I am not a bodybuilder 7) I like to take as little drugs as possible, keep my cycles as short as possible 8) This was one of the last times I used drugs with the purpose of weight gain. I've dabled a bit with low dosages for rehabing injuries since then but my last real cycle was probably two years before this point and I always found that the longer I was off the better the gains were. This allowed me to always use very reasonable dosages and lighter compounds. Through maybe 18 cycles I've never gone up to even 1 gram per week with most use below the 600mg mark.

I started at 225-230ish using 20mg ED - respectable but not lean. I went up to 25mg week 2 but the gains were coming on too strong so I dropped back to 20mg after a few days. By mid week 3 I had cut back to 15mg and begun curtailing my diet. The next week I was down to 10mg because I was adding weight too quickly and futher curtailed the diet. Sometime during week 4 I was at a weightlifting meet as a spectator with a friend who was lifting, stepped on the scale, realized I was outside my weightclass, did a quick mental kg to pound conversion, and came in at 245. I dropped the dosage to 5mg for a few days and dropped it completely. All lifts were back up in reasonable range and bodyfat had dropped noticably. I don't know if the numbers and timeline will add up correctly but I recall having around 20 5mg pills left over from a 100 pack by the time I was done. Total length did not exceed much more than 30 days. I lost a few pounds of water right away, lifts stayed reasonably close to where they were, by the end of the next month I was around 240-242 with noticably lower fat than when I began. All in I was very pleased with the results.

Obviously it's not a typical experience and most people aren't out there cutting cycles short and curtailing diets but you get the idea. Other than the lower back pain and occasional headaches, this stuff has always worked wonders for me. Far far better than any test from which I've never been impressed with the results other than using a light dosage as a base in a stack.
 
thanks for the info Madcow. thats what i like to hear. i wanna put some noticeable size. i think with my diet and training i can turn it into some nice solid mass.
 
i cant wait boys. my real first taste of Dbol. thanks for the encouragement. 4 years of research and will be doing it next month possibly!! im so excited
 
needsize said:
steroids are steroids, you dont keep more muscle from one than another, so there is nothing wrong with dbol only, its only the water you lose afterwards, same as with any other drug
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Amen to that. Right on Bro!
 
i think that dianabols bad name comes from the newbies using it - the guys that add 10lbs of bloat and walk around like heroes, train like shit, eat like shit, dont do pct, and are motivated to use dbol because they dont have to inject it

imo as a drug, its not bad, though more care has to be taken in dosing it properly, im not a fan of such low half lives in a long cycle, and also, im not a fan of what it does to your liver (for some people)

also, im not a fan of people using it to "pre load" on a cycle of longer acting agents

in my experience (as a non roider who knows many, many roiders and their cycles/results intimately) dbol gets decent results. one guy in particular has only ever used dbol ('pinkies') and has one of the better physiques i have seen - large and lean, at a hieght of about 6' he must have 17.5 inch arms that are ripped. unfortunately for him, he doesnt work legs, and so looks like he will fall over if he walks around a corner too fast :)

as for the rest of the guys, well, they gain on it, but because their diets are so crappy, they just look like big pieces of chewed bubblegum. strongish bubblegum, but still, bubblegum :)
 
Wootoom said:
thanks for the info Madcow. thats what i like to hear. i wanna put some noticeable size. i think with my diet and training i can turn it into some nice solid mass.
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You will i guarantee it. :)

RADAR
 
Wootoom said:
i cant wait boys. my real first taste of Dbol. thanks for the encouragement. 4 years of research and will be doing it next month possibly!! im so excited
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The thing with Dbol is you'll start noticing a difference in as little as 5 days!

RADAR
 
on the internet all steroids get there " periods of bashing " then the " periods of glory " its like having a bitch of a wife who chooses to rail on you when she decides to. same paradigm goes for gear. deca will be a HIT in a couple weeks then it will be a COMPLETE nightmare the next.
 
Thanks for the replys, my mind has been changed. I still dont know if id do a cycle like that, I use the usuals (test, eq, deca, etc) dbol to front load but never on its own. Maybe Ill try that guys 2 week cycle for shits and giggles and see what happens! :) It does make sense it tends to be a newbe drug of choice, hense the lack of knowledge etc. Thanks!
 
Wootoom said:
i cant wait boys. my real first taste of Dbol. thanks for the encouragement. 4 years of research and will be doing it next month possibly!!
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you sure? aren't you jumping the gun alittle bit? j/k
 
Theres not a day that goes by, where I ask myself ... do I need any other steroid than dbol? Whether bulking or cutting. Its the king of all aas. Adding NPP to the mix, just makes for explosive fun!
 
HardHat87 said:
I had posted on another persons thread where a dbol only cycle was a waste of money and would gain very little if anything.
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Ziegler invented Dianabol as reaction of the widespread use of testosterone by russian athletes in 1953. from 1956 on tens of thousands of athletes grew big and strong with dbol including Arnold and were winning against the Soviets again. Methandienone - dbol - is testosterone anyway, its just modifed to withstand the first pass effect of the liver, to last a bit longer than testosterone suspension and that it is more anabolic than pure testosterone.
btw., dbol is structurally similar to boldenone (eq), just that the latter has to be injected; nobody claims that an eq only cycle is a waste.
dbol aromatizes in a potent form of estrogen thus potentially leading to water retention; this will lead to enormous water weight gain which will dissipate after continuation of the cycle but will not effect muscle mass.
 
if i were to run a quick dbol cycle for 4 or 5 weeks at a low dose (15 to 20mg/day), with some nolva @20mg/day just to be safe, what would be the proper PCT?

would this work? (or would the clomid schedule be a better choice)
1)bump up the nolva to 40mg/day the day after dbol ends (run that for 10 days)
3)on the 11th day take the nolva down to 20mg/day (run that for 10 days)
 
I am also planning 25/mg ed of dbol alone for 6 weeks - although I am going to run proviron with it in the last three weeks get rid the bloat and harden the muscles.

3 weeks of Nolva, tribulis and milk thistle, and I will see how it works out. If good, I will wait four or five months and try it again...If not, I will try something else.

At 175, I hope to keep a solid 10-15. I think that should be reasonable.

Later,

Bluesman
 
turbogreek said:
if i were to run a quick dbol cycle for 4 or 5 weeks at a low dose (15 to 20mg/day), with some nolva @20mg/day just to be safe, what would be the proper PCT?

would this work? (or would the clomid schedule be a better choice)
1)bump up the nolva to 40mg/day the day after dbol ends (run that for 10 days)
3)on the 11th day take the nolva down to 20mg/day (run that for 10 days)
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I did this cycle and just ran Nolva for 4 weeks at 20 mg a day, Jenetics said it would be sufficient and it was man I miss that guy!!
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
I am also planning 25/mg ed of dbol alone for 6 weeks - although I am going to run proviron with it in the last three weeks get rid the bloat and harden the muscles.

3 weeks of Nolva, tribulis and milk thistle, and I will see how it works out. If good, I will wait four or five months and try it again...If not, I will try something else.

At 175, I hope to keep a solid 10-15. I think that should be reasonable.

Later,

Bluesman
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Sounds good what dosage are you going to run the Proviron at?
You gonna run 3 weeks of Nolva after the last week of Dbol? how many mg a day of nolva?
 
you guys are the primary reason for me trying this cycle. props to all of your reviews and results. much appreciated
 
Wootoom said:
you guys are the primary reason for me trying this cycle. props to all of your reviews and results. much appreciated
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I think you'll really enjoy it, if you can add some Proviron. The first cycle I did I thought I had to do a complicated cycle until some others in here said they kept it simple and got results, whatever works for you to reach your goals!
 
Djicy said:
Sounds good what dosage are you going to run the Proviron at?
You gonna run 3 weeks of Nolva after the last week of Dbol? how many mg a day of nolva?
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I am thinking Proviron @ 25mg/ed anf Nolva 20mg/ed and see how that works out. But I am open to suggestions!


Bluesman
 
Steve The Bluesman said:
I am thinking Proviron @ 25mg/ed anf Nolva 20mg/ed and see how that works out. But I am open to suggestions!


Bluesman
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I would suggest you do exactly that it sounds good!!
 
Hi!

Alltough i was thinking of something completly different this thread made me think a bit about dbol.
What do you think of a low dose of 15-20mg ed of dbol stacked with 0.5mg ed of ari(to prevent bloating) for maybe as short as 4 weeks.
Never done anything but a cycle of prohormones before.
To little, to short to get any gains?
I'm 30 years old, 175 cm, 195 pounds and have been training for 10 years.
 
You guys do realize that the bloating and estrogen play singificant role in gaining LBM? Anti Es are not optimal for maximal gains. At the very minimum the added volume enables significantly supperior leverage in your lifts - I'm unsure exactly how blocking the conversion to estrogen plays a part in gains other than this but this is a fairly widely held belief and I believe I've seen the science behind it posted before. So unless something has totally turned upside down if you are going to take a low dose dbol cycle, this is something to consider as you WILL impact your gains.

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Here's a bit of science on it - not the greatest source in the world for science but adequate.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm
"Lastly, one should be aware that use of these compounds can reduce the gains made on steroids. Nolvadex more so than clomid, simply because it is stronger. Estrogen is responsible for a number of anabolic factors such as increasing growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor and improving glucose utilization. This is why aromatizing steroids like testosterone are still best suited for maximum muscle gain. When reducing the estrogen levels, we therefore reduce the potential gains being made. For this reason one may opt to try clomid during a cycle instead of Nolvadex. Although I would imagine that the problem that needed solved would be of more concern, in which case Nolva remains the weapon of choice. It's a plain fact that there is a high correlation between gains and side-effects. Either you go for maximum gains and tolerate the side-effects, or you reduce the side-effects, and with it the gains. That's life, nothing is free."
 
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ok guys here is the 1st day of week 4. i got a lot stronger in week 2-3 and added 6-7 lbs so far but i am still solid, the only bloat i got went to my stomach. keep in mind i am not a big person by any means.
 
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Madcow2 said:
You guys do realize that the bloating and estrogen play singificant role in gaining LBM? Anti Es are not optimal for maximal gains.
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Ok. Say i drop the ari then. Would such low doses at such short time give any gains?
 
twinker said:
Ok. Say i drop the ari then. Would such low doses at such short time give any gains?
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Well they will certainly give less with arimidex. The gains you make are entirely composed of:

1) Your training - usually uniformly shit and the reason people take roids in the first place (that is the simple truth)
2) Your diet - contrary to popular belief - satisfying dietary requirements for growth is fairly easy. Get a lot of good protein throughout the day (meats/fish/whey/dairy) and consume a lot of calories - if you are weighing your egg whites and trying to get big, you need to go relax and eat McDonalds. If you start to get fat, pull back or clean your diet up.
3) Your genetics - ability of your body to efficiently utilize exogenous testosterone and derrivatives (this can vary significantly between individuals)

I can't speak to any of these for you but you will find an account of my using dbol for 4-5 weeks somewhere in this thread. I do fairly well on it but I also cover the 3 bases above very well hence all the caveats you will find in that same post.

Essentially, I know what works for me - replicate at your own risk. No warranty provided nor implied.
 
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Im dbol only user .
1. If u dont train and eat properly u will gain only water and obviously u will loose everything, thats what happened with those who said its a waste.
2. U wont grow big from few cycles with 25 mg , u need many cycles between 30 and 50 mg to get really big.U need probably 2 years ON ( total ) until ull be fine.
Dbol will last long time from now on coz it is real good and effective , it just works no mater what.
 
Madcow2 said:
You guys do realize that the bloating and estrogen play singificant role in gaining LBM? Anti Es are not optimal for maximal gains. At the very minimum the added volume enables significantly supperior leverage in your lifts - I'm unsure exactly how blocking the conversion to estrogen plays a part in gains other than this but this is a fairly widely held belief and I believe I've seen the science behind it posted before. So unless something has totally turned upside down if you are going to take a low dose dbol cycle, this is something to consider as you WILL impact your gains.

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Here's a bit of science on it - not the greatest source in the world for science but adequate.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catnolv.htm
"Lastly, one should be aware that use of these compounds can reduce the gains made on steroids. Nolvadex more so than clomid, simply because it is stronger. Estrogen is responsible for a number of anabolic factors such as increasing growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor and improving glucose utilization. This is why aromatizing steroids like testosterone are still best suited for maximum muscle gain. When reducing the estrogen levels, we therefore reduce the potential gains being made. For this reason one may opt to try clomid during a cycle instead of Nolvadex. Although I would imagine that the problem that needed solved would be of more concern, in which case Nolva remains the weapon of choice. It's a plain fact that there is a high correlation between gains and side-effects. Either you go for maximum gains and tolerate the side-effects, or you reduce the side-effects, and with it the gains. That's life, nothing is free."
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it amazes me how often I agree with your posts, and have preached the same thing myself. I've been saying this for years, the bloat gives you strength, the strength (if your diet is in check), will lead to more mass.....therefor the bloat is your friend, hold it tight and never let go....
 
I'd return the kind compliment with Karma but I must have agreed with something you said in the recent past which is now blocking me. So I'll thank you here.
 
I've never had sexual sides from anything and I've run just about everything with and without test (deca alond, dbol alone, fina/dbol no test). I really tend not to like test. I've run it alone and even at fairly high dosages, I don't get much anabolic activity and mainly sides and a fairly good CNS stimulation. I'd put my gains on 400mg of deca up against a gram of test any day but not everyone responds this way. It works very well in a stack at 200-400mg weekly for me though but as the sole or major compound - it blows. I can't really complain though, I can gain very well off just about anything else even at marginal dosages.

I've watched a lot of people run dbol alone and I've never heard of anyone getting major sex drive loss. I mean, you read this board and get the feeling that if you aren't running test with everything out there your dick will curl up forever but that hasn't been the case for me nor anyone I know of using dbol and given the fairly large amount of pre-1995 literature out there regarding dbol use, I never saw it even referenced before these boards. So I'd venture, there might be some real effect in some individuals due to an inability to use the dbol molecule adequately but serious sexual sides from dbol alone are either very rare or largely placebo.

Like in everything else, knowing what works for you is the key. It doesn't matter how things work for everyone else (except if you believe your body is totally defying human chemistry - in which case you need to come down to earth). People's responses to these things have a fairly wide varriance and it's not like there aren't a ton of other factors at play.
 
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I've never had sexual sides from anything and I've run just about everything with and without test (deca alond, dbol alone, fina/dbol no test). I really tend not to like test. I've run it alone and even at fairly high dosages, I don't get much anabolic activity and mainly sides and a fairly good CNS stimulation. I'd put my gains on 400mg of deca up against a gram of test any day but not everyone responds this way. It works very well in a stack at 200-400mg weekly for me though but as the sole or major compound - it blows. I can't really complain though, I can gain very well off just about anything else even at marginal dosages.

I've watched a lot of people run dbol alone and I've never heard of anyone getting major sex drive loss. I mean, you read this board and get the feeling that if you aren't running test with everything out there your dick will curl up forever but that hasn't been the case for me nor anyone I know of using dbol and given the fairly large amount of pre-1995 literature out there regarding dbol use, I never saw it even referenced before these boards. So I'd venture, there might be some real effect in some individuals due to an inability to use the dbol molecule adequately but serious sexual sides from dbol alone are either very rare or largely placebo.

Like in everything else, knowing what works for you is the key. It doesn't matter how things work for everyone else (except if you believe your body is totally defying human chemistry - in which case you need to come down to earth). People's responses to these things have a fairly wide varriance and it's not like there aren't a ton of other factors at play.
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Thanks bro, I agree reactions are different person to person but do you know if a lift in libido is to be expected from dbol as the norm? I'm hearing differing views. I would have thought so due to it being a heavy androgen but I imagine in the later weeks of the cycle estradiol elevates (if not kept in check) so the opposite would eventually occur (?)
 
sigmund said:
For those who've done dbol only - how was your sex drive? ...initially high but then dropped alot???
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first i dont weight 160lbs bro....you need to train natural longer from the looks of it
 
sigmund said:
Thanks bro, I agree reactions are different person to person but do you know if a lift in libido is to be expected from dbol as the norm? I'm hearing differing views. I would have thought so due to it being a heavy androgen but I imagine in the later weeks of the cycle estradiol elevates (if not kept in check) so the opposite would eventually occur (?)
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I really don't know. When I used dbol alone, I never generally used it for more than 6 weeks and I respond well to low dosages. I honestly never heard the complaint from anyone using it or who had used it for longer and higher dosages. In fact, everyone here runs test with it or a boatload of other stuff so there's really nothing to pull from. My feeling is that if there is a possibility, it will be either rare or not a major deal (like needing a few extra strokes - vulgar but I don't know how else to put it). Personally, I know how I respond and I wouldn't worry if I were to use it. I can't really make the claim for anyone else other than that historically there sure haven't been many complaints and I don't believe it was ever significant enough under controlled conditions to bother listing as a precaution.
 
bicepts101 said:
first i dont weight 160lbs bro....you need to train natural longer from the looks of it
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i'm 31 years old and i started weight training in high school, so on and off and lot's of leason's learned i have been at it for 15 years. like i said before i am not a big person, i don't have good genetics and i have a hard time gaining. i am to the point where i am beating up on my body and inching forward so that is why i decided to go this route.
 
kahbab said:
i'm 31 years old and i started weight training in high school, so on and off and lot's of leason's learned i have been at it for 15 years. like i said before i am not a big person, i don't have good genetics and i have a hard time gaining. i am to the point where i am beating up on my body and inching forward so that is why i decided to go this route.
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have you opted to look further into your diet and training...15 years of training is a lot bro...im sure there is some glitch you havnt seen or are avoiding...
 
bicepts101 said:
have you opted to look further into your diet and training...15 years of training is a lot bro...im sure there is some glitch you havnt seen or are avoiding...
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of course there are always some glitch's and always more to learn but i am doing a lot right. i am in the best shape of my life so far and i owe that to proper diet which i am finally getting a handle on. i used to over train badly but i don't any more, i never did legs and now i do. i made the same mistakes most newbies made but my act is clean now, like i said before i am not pre-dispostioned to be a big person at all but i love being in the gym training so i will not give up.
 
my first cycle was d-bol only, when I was 22(weighing ~200lbs) . I started w/ 3/d and ended after six weeks in 6/d. Gain was something like 12lbs from which I hold ~8lbs and decreased some bf. I guess it was the placebo effect that gave me little extra in sex drive, and had no problems w/ my dick or sex drive after cycle. Pct was hcg and clomid.
 
small but working on it said:
can we get that link up ? I would like to see the pics. Non plat of course :) what should pct look like for 30mg daily dbol only for four to six weeks ? I think I am gonna try it by itself and decide for myself. Too many good bros on this site that say it is a good gain cycle. Can I get some help with the pct question on this dbol only ?
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Sorry guys been away for the past few days........here the link again:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299332&highlight=progession
 
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