Anyone know about Martial Arts?

[solidj55]

I am considering taking up some sort of martial arts. What I have in my area is Karate, Aiketo(spelling?) or Hapkieto or something like that, and Tae kwon Do(spelling). What Im looking for is something that is most practical to use in a street fight, bar fight, or whatever. I will be starting a bouncing job soon and when i get out of college Ill be a cop so I need something practical in real life situations not Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon shit. Also, Im a powerlifter and wondering if this would hurt my strength? How do most martial artists train with weights? I hear there is a lot of cardio but you guys tell me.

 

[SeXKiTTen_CanDy]

Kickboxing.

It's excellent...

It also teaches a bit of Tae kwon Do, and some other forms....

 

[solidj55]

Thanks for the info, I may try that if I can find a legit trainer.
Anyone else out of the ones I listed?

 

[youngdeltman]

Well, you're on the wrong track for starters bro. The only thing half decent about the ones you mentioned is Karate, so if you choose Karate make sure it's a strong style like shotokan, Go Kan Ryu, kyokoshin or kenpo.

But if you want somthing really practical, subbmission wrestling (shootfighting/wrestling) is the way to go. Muay Thai is good also and MMA's have proved the effectivness of Brazilian Jiu-jitsu.

Then on the other hand if you're intending to become a bouncer (I've been one for 1 1/2 years) you don't want to go around beating up your patrons in a bar fight...you want to restrain them and remove them from the premisis in which case Aikido is ideal. If you go around going Muay Thai on on every intoxicated patron in your club then your days as a bouncer are numbered (at least they would be around here)

Hope that helped you out

 

[danielson]

yeah lots of cardio

and the bastards make you do loads of pushups so 48 hrs rest after a heavy day at the gym isnt always gonna haoppen depending on when you train

as for what style....i let somepne else handle that. generally i would havr thought in bouncing you wouldnt wanna strike the guy too much but just supress him and get him the fuck outta there i might be wrong

i have heard tae kwon do isnt as an effective art, but more of a sports thing. not sure, and i guess it depends on the instructor but i wouldnt. the same goes for kickbxing as well...some might be these type of kick aerobics things, swome might be actual nasty-ass kickboxing.

i know mu-thai is a nasty ass style as it incoporates kness and elbows a lot into the striking but they make you condition you body a lot (i.e. smashing shit into you to harden you up, it hurts!)....same for thai kickboxing......standard kickboxing you dont get that same conditioning.

Jeet kun do is said to be quite effective as it does away with the tradition of kung-fu but keeps its effectiveness and adds other arts (boxing etc) to make ot more effective, bruce lee invented it and when i get a bit better at kung fu, i may start doing it. it also incoporates grappling

aikido can be very spiritual ive heard, same with kung-fu. all depends on the instructor, my style advocates full contact sparring and is more effective than other kung-fu styles but still has sprirtual aspects

karate is cool, not sure of they do full contact sparring, my mate doesnt

ive heard good thinga bout brazillian ju-jitsu and shootfighting from another member (kwai-chump-change )...apparently very effective

a lot of what you learn might not be practical on the street. a lot will. at the end of the day it depends on your instructor, how much he emphaisse chi focusing and shit and on you. giove them all a go and make your mind up, whos nice etc. i cant stand an overly harsh guy for instace who just barks orders like the bad guy in K.Kid I.....a guy like miyagi is better

 

[danielson]

fuck i type that all out and someone has done it before me and in less text. asshole

but young deltman is right

 

[solidj55]

Thanks for the info guys, its not my plan to beat up on drunks lol but the bars here in my small town take that sometimes. A lot of these thug wanna bes bring it to that level. Anyway, tell me more about Aikido. The guy that teaches it is really cool, he was supposed to go to the UCF to fight but ended up having blood pressure problems(due to "gear" usage)and was in the hospital. I am more interested in something that would allow me to throw some effect blows in a brawl and something that would allow me to fight if it went to the ground. Also some restraining things.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

I studied some Kenjubo(SP?) during my last semester of college.

We went over some basic boxing, wrestling, kung fu, and a few others. Our instructor wanted us to learn a bit of everything so we could decide what style if we continued in the future that worked best for us.


Why not take a beginers class and try a few different styles to get a feel for what you think might work best

 

[youngdeltman]

Thanks for the info guys, its not my plan to beat up on drunks lol but the bars here in my small town take that sometimes. A lot of these thug wanna bes bring it to that level. Anyway, tell me more about Aikido. The guy that teaches it is really cool, he was supposed to go to the UCF to fight but ended up having blood pressure problems(due to "gear" usage)and was in the hospital. I am more interested in something that would allow me to throw some effect blows in a brawl and something that would allow me to fight if it went to the ground. Also some restraining things.

Well, if you wanna throw strikes, then Aikido isn't what you should be looking for, but if you want to be a good bouncer then you should do Aikido - restrain patron, remove from venue, let the cops deal with it from there.

Just look it up on the net, there's plenty of info.

 

[danielson]

aikido is all the defensive moves of judo i think

it does incorporate a lot of the spiritual stuff depending on who teache it. this can severely suck ass
like Tx c.guy said, try all the begining classes....if you want brawling and grappling, mabe bjj or shootfighting? you gotta find a place that teaches these first

your average class will only tech you theory, they wont let you spar unless you grade, they wont let your grade until you go to lots of classes which means $$ for them.

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

Solid, it depends on the school brother......all about the school. Find a school that concentrates on hand strikes, stay away from the hollywood kicks, they'll get you hurt in very bad ways if you use them in a fight.....especially in a bar environment. Ground work is pretty important as well.......but back to the hand strikes, the school should teach how to use your body. Meaning generating as much power and speed as possible over as short a distance as possible.......that my friend is the holy grail of martial arts.

 

[solidj55]

I hear you BPB!!! Thats what Im wanting!!! I want to learn to throw a good correct blow(not the haymakers that I usually use, although effective most of the time have gotten me hurt as well lol). I want that shit to be fast and hard as hell and I also want to learn to do a little more on the ground. Every time Ive been on the ground Ive won but it was all instinct and adrenaline, I want to learn some technique.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

Practice some boxing and sparing I'm sure it would be fairly effective for what your wanting...Work on speed. Do this often enough you will be pretty crispt whenever you need to throw down

 

[danielson]

also beware of some styles as their puches are sometimes all retarded and shit

most styles will have a traditional puch and a modern, practical one. sometimes they will just do the traditional.

wing chun's an example. very fast but the punch is essentially palms facing each other, like you were holding ski-poles asnd then extending themout at chest level. fast but not very powerful at all and limited range. when my friend did them i had a huge ass grin on my face. i dont know if he gets taught proper pounching buthe hasnt yet and he doesnt need to learn for his firast grading

 

[BigPhysicsBastard]

Well, I'd have to say look for the Chinese arts..........Kung Fu would fit the bill depending on who's teaching. Kung-Fu encompasses such a massive variety different arts, that it's really not an art in itself. There are so many different types of Kung Fu it isn't funny. But typically hard chinese styles, in my opinion, are the best because they create power while still remaining fluid. Karate for instance is VERY powerful but way too mechanical. Picture the Karate kid......he'd get his ass beat silly 99 out of a 100 times by ANYONE that knows ANYTHING about fighting.......he might beat a one legged cripple though.
And also, stay the fuck away from schools that 1. put ALOT of emphasis on belts and 2. put emphasis on tournament fighting.
When you get into a street fight you will fall back on your training, and you will not make the distinction between what they tell you to use in tournaments and what to use on the streets. If you train for tournament type techiniques, that's what you'll use on the street. But on the street you're not wearing protective gear, there's no ref, and the other guy is going to walk right through your "scoring" strike. Train to hurt people as much as you can in the shortest amount of time possible.

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

MMA!!!!!!

Shootfighting is by far the most effective thing I have ever studied. I think you would be very hard pressed to find anything more practical or all emcompassing than it. You seem to have few choices however. Because of that I suggest you go with the karate school and perhaps look into the credentials of the HS wrestling coaches in your area. Greco-Roman or Freestyle wrestling won't teach you how to finish someone, but it will give you good balance and confidence on the ground in case you ever end up there. Also, ask around and see if there is a boxing club in your area. If so take that with or instead of the karate. If you could mix boxing and wrestling together you would be better off than alot of people who practice martial arts. Another good resource are books. If you have a buddy or two to train with I highly recommend THE FIGHTERS NOTEBOOK. You can find it at www.mixedmartialarts.com. This book is worth its weight in gold. TRUST ME!

 

[the nature boy]

I'm with the guys that said ju-jitsu or shootfighting styles. I've taken a couple of years of TKD, but I got disinterested in it because it no longer became a practical fighting style to me. However I did enjoy the cardio benefits and learning solid punching and kicking techniques. But ju-jitsu seems more practical however not as cardiovascular intense IMO.

 

[Annihilator99]

If you are looking for something that's practical, effective, and easy to learn, look for Krav Maga if you can. I've taken 5 years of Shaolin Pek Ho Pai, 2years of okinawan kempo, and while they were amazing, nothing that I've ever seen can compare to Krav Maga in a barfight.

http://www.kravmaga.com/Home/home.html

 

[Rommel]

I've taken tae kwon do when I was younger, trained with an amature UFC (going pro after college, signed up with some japanese people) from pensacola, taught me muy tai, shoot, and some grappling. Now, I have 4 credit hrs. in Kenpo incorporated with s.w.a.t. self-defense tech. at a local juco.

 

[Dillon35]

Kenpo-

 

[COL KURTZ]

i have found regular boxing or muay thai combined with Brazilian jiujitsu or wrestling to be the best in terms of real world fighting. no philosophical BS, just PURE ASS KICKING