Anyone ever tried Peyote or Mescaline?

[Lestat]

I've never done any real psychadelics. The reason is, in college, my roommate and some friends did schrooms.. 1/8 + 1/3 of 1/8 each...

two of the three had "bad trips" were terrified, thought they were gonna die, for real.

Scared me away from schrooms/lsd/mecaline/peyote

What I am thinking of doing is a trip to Mexico with a "guide" who can do the full religious "healing" ceremony with Peyote with me and some friends.

Only thing is, I hear that peyote specially makes you nausous and most people vomit.. that isn't something I think I'd enjoy, does anyone else have any experience with this?

 

[Bikini Mod]

I have NEVER done any psychodelics nor do I wish to. The mere thought of having a totall skewed perception of reality - ie - being TOTALLY out of control scares the shit out of me, thus having zero appeal.

 

[jestro]

Mescaline is different then peyote, from what I understand. I've never done peyote.
But mescaline is similar to schooms, in that it is "cleaner" than acid. Gives a more pure high.
You're friends made the mistake of to much for rookies. Shrooms can come in all strengths. Start small until you know what your doing. Shoulda done 1/8 for all three.

 

[Stefka]

There are no bad drugs - only bad drug users

 

[yonkers weights]

Schrooms are GREAT. Well they were great in college. Not taken them in about 10 years. Never smoked peyote but taken mes several times. Always fun for me.

Good shit and good people = good times.

 

[inkspot]

I've never done any real psychadelics. The reason is, in college, my roommate and some friends did schrooms.. 1/8 + 1/3 of 1/8 each...

two of the three had "bad trips" were terrified, thought they were gonna die, for real.

Scared me away from schrooms/lsd/mecaline/peyote

What I am thinking of doing is a trip to Mexico with a "guide" who can do the full religious "healing" ceremony with Peyote with me and some friends.

Only thing is, I hear that peyote specially makes you nausous and most people vomit.. that isn't something I think I'd enjoy, does anyone else have any experience with this?

If you have to think about the enjoyment level of vomit..I don't know Lestat. In my youth I did psyco's..lsd, acid, mushrooms, mecaline. I think the only things I didn't try were heroin and downers. Don't remember ever throwing up on them. They were fun at the time.

 

[musclemom]

... What I am thinking of doing is a trip to Mexico with a "guide" who can do the full religious "healing" ceremony with Peyote with me and some friends.

Only thing is, I hear that peyote specially makes you nausous and most people vomit.. that isn't something I think I'd enjoy, does anyone else have any experience with this?

See, the part I'd be leery of would be this whole "healing ceremony" thing under the auspices of some guide ... unless this individual were someone who was highly recommended by a person whose advice I trusted.

Did you see "Tourista"?

That shit aside, some very shitty things have happened to people who trusted someone who was passing themselves off as healers, shamans or whatever.

Just continue to be the healthfully skeptical person that I know you already are, dear

 

[Stefka]

In my opinion, everyone has a place and a time for psychadelics.

You may be too old now.
Maybe you and your friends missed your time.

From what I have seen...people do them and love them, have some mind-blowing experiences, continue to do them, don't get any mind blowing experiences, and then realize that they have no use for these particular drugs anymore.

The bad trip thing is a cop out.
Your friends were scared when they took the drugs.
They didn't have an experienced person around to tell them that what they were feeling was normal.

If you want to do halucinogens, find a friend who has done them before. And don't take them if you are scared of taking them.
Fear does not lead to fun times.

 

[Lestat]

stefka, I agree with you about the fear, but "bad trips" are more frequent at the higher doses.

and Bikinimom, people look to alter their consciousness in many ways, that is all I am doing. Its not about "not being in control" or having a "skewed" perception of reality, its a different perception, but who's to say it isn't more true to life than the heavily filtered perception we get today? We're products of millions of years of evolution, our brains adapted in very specific ways, the ways that lead to greater survival rates survived.... but now in modern day, some of those things are no longer needed, or even beneficial! (aggression for one).

Our senses are HEAVILY filtered by our brains, we are able to comprehend a lot more than we do because we never had any need to. To me its interesting to experience life from a completely different state of consciousness.

 

[stilleto]

i used to do mescaline in college. the crystal kind- not the kind that's mixed with speed.

I took too much once. I was in class, on the 6th floor. it was a sculpting class and i was totally getting into the clay and everything- becoming one with it and all, when i realized that I probably knew how to fly. I went to the window and sat on the ledge and wondered how freaked out everyone would be if i walked out the window, flew around, and then flew back in. I was ready to do it, when my teacher saw me and got me back in.

I only did it one time after that- at a tom petty concert I went to with my dad (he's the one that gave me the mescaline in the first place).
I wasn't just sure tom petty was singing only to me, but i was sure everyone else knew it too.

the end.

 

[stilleto]

btw, my experiment with a small amount of dxm did not go well at all.

something backfired.

 

[Bikini Mod]

The feeling of being so out of touch with reality that I would actually think that I could fly is enough for me to stay the fuck away....

just my .02

 

[Lestat]

The feeling of being so out of touch with reality that I would actually think that I could fly is enough for me to stay the fuck away....

just my .02

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

 

[inkspot]

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

I agree

 

[stilleto]

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

this was a huge phylosophy of my father, who strongly believed in alternate levels of conciousness and how that effected ones creativity and thought process.
he actually lectured about it for a while, but cleaned it up to NOT include drugs.

 

[Lestat]

this was a huge phylosophy of my father, who strongly believed in alternate levels of conciousness and how that effected ones creativity and thought process.
he actually lectured about it for a while, but cleaned it up to NOT include drugs.

there are many ways to acheive altered states of consciousness, for me, I look at long term effects, I try to stay away from things that have a large long term cost associated with them.

traditionally, religous and political leaders do NOT like people altering their consciousness, because they lose more control that way. Many religions push altered states of consciousness, but only in very specific and controlled ways, some religions use drugs, others use things like meditation and prayer.

 

[borris]

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

wow, you couldn't of said it any better.

 

[stilleto]

there are many ways to acheive altered states of consciousness, for me, I look at long term effects, I try to stay away from things that have a large long term cost associated with them.

traditionally, religous and political leaders do NOT like people altering their consciousness, because they lose more control that way. Many religions push altered states of consciousness, but only in very specific and controlled ways, some religions use drugs, others use things like meditation and prayer.

i just realized that you're in the same state that he was in- i wonder if you ever read any of his articles or seminars.

oh well. doesn't matter.
i agree with you.

my experience with mescaline was still good, despite the dangerous situation I got into- the dumb move was doing it while in college in manhattan. I think i was only 16- i didn't think enough in advance to know it wasn't safe to take.
Now that i'm older and have kids, i care about my life and theirs too much to do anything other than smoking some weed once in a while when i'm HOME.

 

[jh1]

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

LOL... so Stilleto's experience of thinking she could fly and that Tom Petty was singing to her were 'reality' - just simply her own reality and how she experienced it?

Nigga please. It was a delusion brought on by the drugs.

 

[stilleto]

LOL... so Stilleto's experience of thinking she could fly and that Tom Petty was singing to her were 'reality' - just simply her own reality and how she experienced it?

Nigga please. It was a dillusion brought on by the drugs.

at the time, i thought it WAS reality.

 

[jh1]

at the time, i thought it WAS reality.

That defines 'Delusion'.

 

[stilleto]

That defines 'Delusion'.

yes, well NOW, sure.

 

[jh1]

yes, well NOW, sure.

 

[Lestat]

LOL... so Stilleto's experience of thinking she could fly and that Tom Petty was singing to her were 'reality' - just simply her own reality and how she experienced it?

Nigga please. It was a delusion brought on by the drugs.

because someone "thinks" they can fly, doesn't mean they physically can.

But the reality is, for whatever reason, she felt like she could fly.

Many people believe very specific things about life, about their reality, that are undeniably false. This happens on and off of drugs. You don't have to be on drugs to believe something is true when it is not.

 

[stilleto]

(you can't argue with someone having a drug flashback).

Mescalin was the strongest drug i think i ever did.
the only hallucinate at least.

 

[jh1]

because someone "thinks" they can fly, doesn't mean they physically can.

But the reality is, for whatever reason, she felt like she could fly.

Many people believe very specific things about life, about their reality, that are undeniably false. This happens on and off of drugs. You don't have to be on drugs to believe something is true when it is not.

?????????????

No doubt that drugs are not the only source of delusion or the main source of them for that matter. But what Stilleto experienced were delusions - plain and simple.

Dance all you want on that one. Have your own delusion why don't ya.

Trying to make a drug induced delusion sound all fairy tale by refering to it as a higher state of conciousness or one's 'personal reality' is a bunch of hippy nonsense.

No doubt alot of creativity and such is acheived with different drugs, but delusions are delusions no matter their source. Not altered states of reality.

 

[Lestat]

?????????????

No doubt that drugs are not the only source of delusion or the main source of them for that matter. But what Stilleto experienced were delusions - plain and simple.

Dance all you want on that one. Have your own delusion why don't ya.

Trying to make a drug induced delusion sound all fairy tale by refering to it as a higher state of conciousness or one's 'personal reality' is a bunch of hippy nonsense.

No doubt alot of creativity and such is acheived with different drugs, but delusions are delusions no matter their source. Not altered states of reality.

I agree. But would you agree that some people's delusions allow them to learn and grow? For example, various religious beliefs. I am anti religion in general, but I don't discount at all the effects that believing in the unbelievable will do, many times for the positive, often times for the negative.

If you are one that is prone to the negative side of things, drugs or no drugs, you aren't going to get much good out of life in general, but if you are prone to more positive qualities, then why not try to experience life from as many unique perspectives as possible.

Again, stilleto merely "thought" she could fly, doesn't make it true, doesn't really mean anything except that her brain was making her feel a certain way. I had VERY vivid flying dreams as a child, I wasn't on any drugs, but in these dreams I really thought I was flying, although I'd never experienced it physically before (and never will) my brain was convinced that I was.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I don't understand what you mean by "out of touch with reality" you seem to think that whatever state of mind you are in NOW is the REAL one that is NORMAL, i disagree, you are experiencing reality when you do drugs, the drugs change HOW you experience it, but that doesn't make it any more or less real does it? You and I experience life differently, maybe only subtley, but still our experiences are equally as valid and real.

LOL You are funny.

Take the scenario that Stilletto described. She REALLY thought she could fly. Imagine she REALLY stepped out of the window. Would the REALITY of her becoming roadkill on the concrete below be any LESS REAL because she was tripping? Or would she be able to percieve herself ALIVE and UNINJURED because of the DRUG-INDUCED PERCEPTION OF REALITY?

Get back to me on that one.

 

[samoth]

I'm sure Layinback will be all over this thread like BB on a time-traveling-with-aliens-whilst-on-dxm thread.

 

[Lestat]

LOL You are funny.

Take the scenario that Stilletto described. She REALLY thought she could fly. Imagine she REALLY stepped out of the window. Would the REALITY of her becoming roadkill on the concrete below be any LESS REAL because she was tripping? Or would she be able to percieve herself ALIVE and UNINJURED because of the DRUG-INDUCED PERCEPTION OF REALITY?

Get back to me on that one.

sounds like the propaganda in the 1960's that people on LDS thought they were a bananna and "pealed" themselves.

I'd argue that more people jump out of buildings while NOT on drugs than while on.

 

[Bikini Mod]

sounds like the propaganda in the 1960's that people on LDS thought they were a bananna and "pealed" themselves.

I'd argue that more people jump out of buildings while NOT on drugs than while on.

LOL Argue what you wish. The story came from Stiletto voluntarily. I didn't put her up to it.

 

[inkspot]

LOL You are funny.

Take the scenario that Stilletto described. She REALLY thought she could fly. Imagine she REALLY stepped out of the window. Would the REALITY of her becoming roadkill on the concrete below be any LESS REAL because she was tripping? Or would she be able to percieve herself ALIVE and UNINJURED because of the DRUG-INDUCED PERCEPTION OF REALITY?

Get back to me on that one.

Roadkill on your front lawn? Didn't the Wright brothers dream of flying? Who knows eh?

 

[stilleto]

btw, my father, being the responsible dad that he was, gave me the drug but didn't tell me how much to take, so i obviously took way too much that day.

i know i went down to the village (manhattan) and either saw a parade or thought i saw one. then i went down into the subway and hung out there for a while.

it was probably one of the stupidest things i've ever done because i shouldn't have survived.
I have had other experiences where everything was fine, but it doesn't mean i EVER want my kids trying it. ever.

i can tell you this though- i did very well in college (art) and am definately very creative now. I just pulled off something in work at a board meeting that had the ceo in AWE of my creativity and i had made it up on the fly- i think the reason is that I can pull on my experiences with altered states of consciousness and think outside of the box.

 

[binö]

lestat, disregard any neg comments about mescaline or peyote
both are worth the experience (though i've never done 'yote, i know peeps that have)
i did one hit of mescaline about 11 yrs ago and it was fuggin sweet.
one little period size dot is all you need.
not addictive, not gonna fuck your brain up, truely a spiritual occasion.
do it

 

[samoth]

one little period size dot is all you need.
not addictive, not gonna fuck your brain up, truely a spiritual occasion.
do it

One of my stoner friends said the same thing about acid. He was obviously mistaken.

 

[binö]

One of my stoner friends said the same thing about acid. He was obviously mistaken.

i had a long talk about acid with a chemist lately
according to him, it's pretty harmless and pretty natural.
lysergic acid diethylamide, once again according to him, comes from a plant and has been used for centuries
moderation

edit: ergot is treated with lysergic acid to make LSD
and ergot grows on rye

 

[Lestat]

One of my stoner friends said the same thing about acid. He was obviously mistaken.

how was he obviously mistaken?

 

[samoth]

i had a long talk about acid with a chemist lately
according to him, it's pretty harmless and pretty natural.
lysergic acid diethylamide, once again according to him, comes from a plant and has been used for centuries
moderation

LOL! The ol' it-comes-from-a-plant-therefore-it's-safe argument. How trite.

 

[binö]

LOL! The ol' it-comes-from-a-plant-therefore-it's-safe argument. How trite.

everything safe and unsafe comes from the planet
asprin comes from the planet, and is relatively safe
same with coca
yet take too much, and you die

 

[Bikini Mod]

Roadkill on your front lawn? Didn't the Wright brothers dream of flying? Who knows eh?

LOL They sorta had the idea of INVENTING a machine that could aid a man to fly. A little different than taking drugs and jumping out of a window.... don't you think?

I mean, because of the Wright brothers LOTS of people fly every day now without incident. Can't say the same of a single person who took a hallucinogenic agent and THOUGHT they could fly. Can you?

 

[binö]

LOL! The ol' it-comes-from-a-plant-therefore-it's-safe argument. How trite.

has their ever been a health study of LSD? and what was the outcome?

 

[samoth]

how was he obviously mistaken?

Years of use and abuse of acid and weed, among other drugs, have effectively turned him into a loser-fucker who is incapable of functioning in society. Have you ever met someone that's used acid for years?

 

[binö]

LOL They sorta had the idea of INVENTING a machine that could aid a man to fly. A little different than taking drugs and jumping out of a window.... don't you think?

I mean, because of the Wright brothers LOTS of people fly every day now without incident. Can't say the same of a single person who took a hallucinogenic agent and THOUGHT they could fly. Can you?

where do you get this from? i've tripped and being around tripped out peeps and never has anyone attempted something so preposterous.
that's afterschool special propaganda

 

[Bikini Mod]

btw, my father, being the responsible dad that he was, gave me the drug but didn't tell me how much to take, so i obviously took way too much that day.

i know i went down to the village (manhattan) and either saw a parade or thought i saw one. then i went down into the subway and hung out there for a while.

it was probably one of the stupidest things i've ever done because i shouldn't have survived.
I have had other experiences where everything was fine, but it doesn't mean i EVER want my kids trying it. ever.

i can tell you this though- i did very well in college (art) and am definately very creative now. I just pulled off something in work at a board meeting that had the ceo in AWE of my creativity and i had made it up on the fly- i think the reason is that I can pull on my experiences with altered states of consciousness and think outside of the box.

We can argue till the sun sets there is no way to either prove or disprove your last statement Ms Stiletto.

So me, I will remain outside of the box... ON THE GROUND... unless, of course, I have a ticket.

 

[jnevin]

How would taking a powerfull hallucinogen cure anything spritually if you go with some guide that doesn't know shit about you?

 

[samoth]

has their ever been a health study of LSD? and what was the outcome?

I believe I have. Such psychadelics effects must be published in a PR'd neurological journal, though. I seem to recall use of the drug to be detrimental to mental functioning.

 

[Bikini Mod]

where do you get this from? i've tripped and being around tripped out peeps and never has anyone attempted something so preposterous.
that's afterschool special propaganda

You obvioulsy missed Stiletto's post about it. Blame her.

 

[samoth]

everything safe and unsafe comes from the planet
asprin comes from the planet, and is relatively safe
same with coca
yet take too much, and you die

And same with heroin. Your argument is still non-sequitor here.

 

[binö]

I believe I have. Such psychadelics effects must be published in a PR'd neurological journal, though. I seem to recall use of the drug to be detrimental to mental functioning.

during the charles manson trial manson's cronies tried to OD a prosecutor witness.
they doused her hamburger with a shit load of acid but it didn't kill her.
then the defense said that she was incapable of testifying, do to how bad lsd is.
but, according to science at the time, this was complete bullshit and brain xrays and competency tests revealed no such damage.
so she was able to testify
interesting

 

[binö]

And same with heroin. Your argument is still non-sequitor here.

so obiviously their is a purpose and function for substances

 

[Bikini Mod]

Damn Stiletto and her afterschool special propoganda!!

i used to do mescaline in college. the crystal kind- not the kind that's mixed with speed.

I took too much once. I was in class, on the 6th floor. it was a sculpting class and i was totally getting into the clay and everything- becoming one with it and all, when i realized that I probably knew how to fly. I went to the window and sat on the ledge and wondered how freaked out everyone would be if i walked out the window, flew around, and then flew back in. I was ready to do it, when my teacher saw me and got me back in.

I only did it one time after that- at a tom petty concert I went to with my dad (he's the one that gave me the mescaline in the first place).
I wasn't just sure tom petty was singing only to me, but i was sure everyone else knew it too.

the end.

If you guys wanna take even ONE CHANCE that a hallucinogenic drug will make YOU THINK that you can do something that will end up killing or maming you.... Rock on my brothers. Who am I to tell you not to do it?

Just not my bag of tricks.

 

[jnevin]

so obiviously their is a purpose and function for substances

Yeah. Thin the herd.

 

[binö]

Damn Stiletto and her afterschool special propoganda!!



If you guys wanna take even ONE CHANCE that a hallucinogenic drug will make YOU THINK that you can do something that will end up killing or maming you.... Rock on my brothers. Who am I to tell you not to do it?

Just not my bag of tricks.

i wouldn't recommend that you try it
but stilleto's experience is atypical and like she said she took too much.
drink too many beers and stupid shit happens, take too much acid and stupid shit happens.
same principle, you lose your head if you get too deep.

 

[binö]

Yeah. Thin the herd.

via lsd? the herd doesn't die, it just tripps out for a few hours
thin the herd, wear a rubber

 

[jh1]

via lsd? the herd doesn't die, it just tripps out for a few hours
thin the herd, wear a rubber

You don't have to die to 'thin the heard'....

Trip out and make that your life and you may end up a failure unable to take care of any children you have whom may also become failures as a result....

These are difficult conclusions to come to...

 

[binö]

You don't have to die to 'thin the heard'....

Trip out and make that your life and you may end up a failure unable to take care of any children you have whom may also become failures as a result....

These are difficult conclusions to come to...

lol such propaganda
just like saying one line of coke and your whole life is over
come on you know better than that, jesus

 

[jh1]

lol such propaganda
just like saying one line of coke and your whole life is over
come on you know better than that, jesus

I said if you make it your life, not if you trip out once.

Same thing with coke. Doubt it? Please. Come on over here... I'll show you nigga.

 

[binö]

I said if you make it your life, not if you trip out once.

Same thing with coke. Doubt it? Please. Come on over here... I'll show you nigga.

have you ever met someone who made lsd their life? no you haven't cause it doesn't happen
it's not addictive

 

[jh1]

have you ever met someone who made lsd their life? no you haven't cause it doesn't happen
it's not addictive

That maybe true.

I don't know anyone that's every done LSD though.

 

[Stefka]

Acid changes you.
sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
It is up to you to decide it you are willing to take the chance.

 

[jnevin]

have you ever met someone who made lsd their life? no you haven't cause it doesn't happen
it's not addictive

I've seen a ton of people that are half of what they were after a couple of years of abusing it. Same goes for extacy.

 

[Stefka]

have you ever met someone who made lsd their life? no you haven't cause it doesn't happen
it's not addictive

A huge wave af acid came through my town when I was in high school. A bunch of my friends were doing lots every day. They all went a little nuts after a while. Most of them came back - some didn't. None of us were ever quite the same. It is a powerful drug.

 

[KillahBee]

A huge wave af acid came through my town when I was in high school. A bunch of my friends were doing lots every day. They all went a little nuts after a while. Most of them came back - some didn't. None of us were ever quite the same. It is a powerful drug.

I sold acid for a while. Lots of the liquid came thru around 98. It was fantastic. Sooo much better than shrooms (without the drinking like a fish thing). Didn't seem to do much to me, except I would randomly have what I could only refer to as "acid flashbacks" for about 5 years or so. It's hard to explain, but they were just super quick moments where I physically and mentally felt like I was tripping. Prob only lasted 5 seconds or so each time, but they were quite strong.

 

[KillahBee]

But yeah, drugs don't have some "automatic" effect on people. It's 100% relative to each person and their ability to manage their own emotions and mental states.

 

[jnevin]

I sold acid for a while. Lots of the liquid came thru around 98. It was fantastic. Sooo much better than shrooms (without the drinking like a fish thing). Didn't seem to do much to me, except I would randomly have what I could only refer to as "acid flashbacks" for about 5 years or so. It's hard to explain, but they were just super quick moments where I physically and mentally felt like I was tripping. Prob only lasted 5 seconds or so each time, but they were quite strong.

I had those for about a year. I did a bit the summer after I graduated HS. I remember seeing trailers when someone would move their arm into my freshman semester. I'd be zoning out and looking down at the linoleum tile and the little specs would be shifting. It's not a light drug.

 

[KillahBee]

I had those for about a year. I did a bit the summer after I graduated HS. I remember seeing trailers when someone would move their arm into my freshman semester. I'd be zoning out and looking down at the linoleum tile and the little specs would be shifting. It's not a light drug.

That fuggin avitargf is disgusting/fantastic

 

[samoth]

have you ever met someone who made lsd their life? no you haven't cause it doesn't happen
it's not addictive

Sure. I have. Same with weed and other drugs. Inherent addictability has little to do with a drug's ability to be self-destructive. Many destructive chemicals have been used by people throughout the ages that have not been physically addictive.

 

[Lestat]

Damn Stiletto and her afterschool special propoganda!!



If you guys wanna take even ONE CHANCE that a hallucinogenic drug will make YOU THINK that you can do something that will end up killing or maming you.... Rock on my brothers. Who am I to tell you not to do it?

Just not my bag of tricks.

I've never been able to live life like that, avoiding anything that could POTENTIALLY cause me harm.. I wouldn't be left with many things I could actually do if I cut out everything that had a potential to be dangerous.

I'm surprised you were able to have children considering how dangerous is COULD be for you. (complications, etc.)

 

[Lestat]

where are people getting the idea that lsd makes people's lives failures???

does taking asprin make your life a failure too?

 

[stilleto]

I've never been able to live life like that, avoiding anything that could POTENTIALLY cause me harm.. I wouldn't be left with many things I could actually do if I cut out everything that had a potential to be dangerous.

I'm surprised you were able to have children considering how dangerous is COULD be for you. (complications, etc.)

(was this to me or bmom? i'm sorry i'm confused.

if it was to me, and you're surprised i could have children after experimenting with drugs for a few years- it didn't effect my ability to get pregnant at all- i wish it did. i've had 2 kids and 3 miscarriages... obviously getting pregnant isn't a problem.

if it was to bmom... then nevermind. )

 

[jnevin]

I've never been able to live life like that, avoiding anything that could POTENTIALLY cause me harm.. I wouldn't be left with many things I could actually do if I cut out everything that had a potential to be dangerous.

I'm surprised you were able to have children considering how dangerous is COULD be for you. (complications, etc.)

Comparing using hard drugs that you don't know where they came from or how they were made to having children..

Well done.

 

[Lestat]

Sure. I have. Same with weed and other drugs. Inherent addictability has little to do with a drug's ability to be self-destructive. Many destructive chemicals have been used by people throughout the ages that have not been physically addictive.

i wasn't aware that lsd was destructive

 

[jnevin]

where are people getting the idea that lsd makes people's lives failures???

does taking asprin make your life a failure too?

You make the most idiotic arguments.

 

[stilleto]

ok, sorry lestat... i just figured out that your post was to bmom, not me.

carry on!

 

[Lestat]

Comparing using hard drugs that you don't know where they came from or how they were made to having children..

Well done.

comparing "dangerous" behaviors... although I'd say that having a child carries FAR more risk than trying lsd. Do you disagree? There is documented evidence of deaths due to complications of childbirth.

Are you implying that having a child is "worth" the added risk? To who? you? the woman? To everyone? That is subjective, while the risks are not.

 

[stilleto]

like i said- i took way too much that time.
another time, both my father and I took it- just a LITTLE bit.
then for some unknown reason, we went out to dinner with his gf at the time.

don't hallucinate in public. that's my advice.

I was walking through the restaurant and I think i fell, but i'm on the floor, contents of my purse scattered everywhere, other people rushing to my side. I'm laughing so hard i can't move. my father (also high), tries to help me up and ends up falling over. we just layed there, laughing, in the middle of the restaurant.

his gf walked out. went home. left us to find our own way home.

we got out of there eventually, and i called a bf (i was 17) who drove us back.

i should probably only post my positive experiences here, since i doubt these are helping very much, but they are true.

 

[Lestat]

You make the most idiotic arguments.

well i could simply not offer anything of any value and stick to criticizing the people making arguments instead of the issues being discussed. Seems to work for you.

Add some value or shut the fuck up.

 

[Lestat]

But yeah, drugs don't have some "automatic" effect on people. It's 100% relative to each person and their ability to manage their own emotions and mental states.

I agree with this from an experience based standpoint 100%.

I'm also interested in physical effects, those are usually more consistent across subjects. It either does this, or it does (e.g. changes brain chemistry)

 

[jnevin]

well i could simply not offer anything of any value and stick to criticizing the people making arguments instead of the issues being discussed. Seems to work for you.

Add some value or shut the fuck up.

 

[samoth]

i wasn't aware that lsd was destructive

Do you know any people that have used or abused psychadelics for years?

 

[stilleto]

oh, and i only used it in college.
then i stopped. i went to one of the top art schools in the country- creativity doesn't grow on trees.

unless you count the idea tree.

 

[Lestat]

lol. seriously, you are smart enough to see the relevance of my arguments. People are throwing around statements like they are facts, when they clearly are not.

Ok, not asprin, how about alcohol. We all know it contributes to all sorts of things, death, domestic violence, liver damage, brain damage, etc.

But somehow people think that trying lsd, or a psychadelic means you will end up a failure in life, destroy your brain, etc.

Asprin, when taken in a high enough dose, can kill you as well, yet we don't knock anyone for trying that.

 

[samoth]

where are people getting the idea that lsd makes people's lives failures???

does taking asprin make your life a failure too?

Who said this? LSD is used in microgram dosages. It shouldn't have to do much work -- if any -- to filter, activate or deactivate the chemical. I'm pretty sure LSD does not cause excess production of anything in the body that would need to pass through the liver.

 

[Lestat]

Do you know any people that have used or abused psychadelics for years?

no. and I'm not talking about abuse or habitual use, for one, humans develop rapid tolerance to LSD, second, I am merely talking about trying something, not making it a way of life.

I do know people who have have used or abused other things for years, alcohol mainly, yet I still use it myself and no one gives me any shit for it.

 

[Lestat]

Who said this? LSD is used in microgram dosages. It shouldn't have to do much work -- if any -- to filter, activate or deactivate the chemical. I'm pretty sure LSD does not cause excess production of anything in the body that would need to pass through the liver.

i said LIVES not LIVER

 

[Bikini Mod]

I've never been able to live life like that, avoiding anything that could POTENTIALLY cause me harm.. I wouldn't be left with many things I could actually do if I cut out everything that had a potential to be dangerous.

I'm surprised you were able to have children considering how dangerous is COULD be for you. (complications, etc.)

You are kidding right?

How can you compare having children to using a hallucinogenic drug?

I suppose if you took enough drugs though, you could make ANY arguement and believe that it made sense. Perception is reality after all.

My bad.

Carry on then!!! Just please don't get behind the wheel of a car while I or any member of my family is on the road.

All you people who are on a quest to fuck your healthy minds up....

Let's just agree to disagree.

Do lots and lots and lots of drugs. ...while I choose not to.

You will be happy and so will I!

 

[samoth]

i said LIVES not LIVER

Oooh, lol. This AIM thingy was distracting me.

And from what I can recall, LSD use does not lead to tolerance. Do you think that it does?

 

[Lestat]

You are kidding right?

How can you compare having children to using a hallucinogenic drug?

I suppose if you took enough drugs though, you could make ANY arguement and believe that it made sense. Perception is reality after all.

My bad.

Carry on then!!! Just please don't get behind the wheel of a car while I or any member of my family is on the road.

All you people who are on a quest to fuck your healthy minds up....

Let's just agree to disagree.

Do lots and lots and lots of drugs. ...while I choose not to.

You will be happy and so will I!

your argument for not doing drugs is that they are dangerous right?

well apparently you choose to use that reasoning for SOME things in life, but not others. I'm not sure I understand why, but it doesn't really matter. You are free to not to anything you feel is too dangerous for you. There are plenty of things I do NOT do because of the same reason. LSD is not one of those, because from all the research I've done and college courses I've taken that discussed it (2) it is NOT life threatening and doesn't pose serious long term risk when not "abused." Of course some people "think" that it is, but I'd love to see their evidence/basis for such belief.

Think for yourself, question authority.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Oooh, lol. This AIM thingy was distracting me.

And from what I can recall, LSD use does not lead to tolerance. Do you think that it does?

Not if you jump out of the window thinking you can fly it don't!

 

[jnevin]

lol. seriously, you are smart enough to see the relevance of my arguments. People are throwing around statements like they are facts, when they clearly are not.

Ok, not asprin, how about alcohol. We all know it contributes to all sorts of things, death, domestic violence, liver damage, brain damage, etc.

But somehow people think that trying lsd, or a psychadelic means you will end up a failure in life, destroy your brain, etc.

Asprin, when taken in a high enough dose, can kill you as well, yet we don't knock anyone for trying that.

You can't use slippery slope arguments to prove a point. It seems that everyone that chimed in has had some experience with psychedelics, none that positive. I'd be more concerned with where the drugs came from. Acid cooked up in some shithole apartment in a bathtub chemistry set by a burnout would be bad. I've seen people that took acid that wasn't dosed properly, and they haven't come back to who they were when it happened. That's like 13 years ago. Anything can be safe, anything can be dangerous.

You're going to do what you're going to do. It just seems you want to justify it and have someone tell you it's the right thing for you to do.

 

[Lestat]

Oooh, lol. This AIM thingy was distracting me.

And from what I can recall, LSD use does not lead to tolerance. Do you think that it does?

no offense, samote, I like you, but you are ignorant on this subject. LSD causes very RAPID tolerance... within DAYS.

 

[samoth]

Not if you jump out of the window thinking you can fly it don't!

I always wanted to try dipper sticks. They've always sounded at the extreme of drug potency and physiological effects on the organism.

 

[Bikini Mod]

your argument for not doing drugs is that they are dangerous right?

well apparently you choose to use that reasoning for SOME things in life, but not others. I'm not sure I understand why, but it doesn't really matter. You are free to not to anything you feel is too dangerous for you. There are plenty of things I do NOT do because of the same reason. LSD is not one of those, because from all the research I've done and college courses I've taken that discussed it (2) it is NOT life threatening and doesn't pose serious long term risk when not "abused." Of course some people "think" that it is, but I'd love to see their evidence/basis for such belief.

Think for yourself, question authority.

LOL Because I choose to value my life differently than you value yours you think that this means that I *allow* others to do my thinking for me?

 

[samoth]

no offense, samote, I like you, but you are ignorant on this subject. LSD causes very RAPID tolerance... within DAYS.

Okay. How? Via what mechanism? Acclimation to a drug's effects /= tolerance.

 

[Lestat]

Okay. How? Via what mechanism? Acclimation to a drug's effects /= tolerance.

My old textbooks are at home, but I can say this with certainty.

LSD produces rapid tolerance, more of the drug is needed to produce the same initial effect, after days of repeated use no amount of the drug will produce the desired effect.

This tolerance subsides after stopping usages for a few days, so you build tolerance quickly and recover from it quickly.

This is not habituation to the effects of the drugs, although I can't tell you the physical mechanism that causes the tolerance offhand.

 

[Bikini Mod]

I always wanted to try dipper sticks. They've always sounded at the extreme of drug potency and physiological effects on the organism.

See maybe I am just happy with the reality that I have with very little outside influence. But I have ALWAYS been shit scared to do any drug that would alter my perception of reality SO MUCH that I would lose all sense of reality right from the very moment it took effect.

I am VERY creative and satisfied with the sensations and interpretations that I have of MY REALITY pretty much the way I am with very little artificial enhancement.

If this means that I am vanilla....

*raises hand*

guilty as charged.

I just don't understand the need for such a feeling.... I am not putting anyone down for it. Seems silly if you ask me. And I told ya'll that since YOU DID ask me.

But if ya'll do, rock on. Just don't get behind the wheel of a car while I or any member of my family is on the road... m'kay? Then we will remain cool with one another.

 

[samoth]

LSD produces rapid tolerance, more of the drug is needed to produce the same initial effect, after days of repeated use no amount of the drug will produce the desired effect.

This tolerance subsides after stopping usages for a few days, so you build tolerance quickly and recover from it quickly.

Hmm. This is contrary to what I think, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[Lestat]

See maybe I am just happy with the reality that I have with very little outside influence. But I have ALWAYS been shit scared to do any drug that would alter my perception of reality SO MUCH that I would lose all sense of reality right from the very moment it took effect.

I am VERY creative and satisfied with the sensations and interpretations that I have of MY REALITY pretty much the way I am with very little artificial enhancement.

If this means that I am vanilla....

*raises hand*

guilty as charged.

I just don't understand the need for such a feeling.... I am not putting anyone down for it. Seems silly if you ask me. And I told ya'll that since YOU DID ask me.

But if ya'll do, rock on. Just don't get behind the wheel of a car while I or any member of my family is on the road... m'kay? Then we will remain cool with one another.

you are not vanilla, i don't think anyone NEEDS or SHOULD do drugs, its personal peference.

but when someone starts throwing out unfounded reasons for not wanting to do a drug, I question it.

For example, if you said, "I don't smoke weed because it will make my turn blue" I'd challenge that statement and ask you to show me why or how you came to believe this.

So if someone says "I'd never do a hallucinagenic because it don't wan't to be a loser" i'd also ask for some evidence or basis for the belief.

 

[Lestat]

Hmm. This is contrary to what I think, but interesting nonetheless.

also there is cross tolerance between lsd, schrooms, and mescaline FYI.

 

[stilleto]

LOL Because I choose to value my life differently than you value yours you think that this means that I *allow* others to do my thinking for me?

no, i think (and I could be wrong) what lestat is saying is that authority tells you that lsd for example is bad for you.

it's illegal, for one thing, plus there's so much press about the BAD things that can happen. but not a lot about the good things.

so you don't try it- ok. but you do... ride a motorcycle for example. something that I bet more people die from every year than lsd.

lestat, is that what you meant?