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Nelson Montana

Nelson Montana

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It seems every few months there's a crop of NEW members who all share a very similar personality. They all write the same, act the same and every post is a criticism of what we do here.

Am I being paranoid? But it's just a little too much of a coincidence, isn't it?

If nothing else, a new member should at least contribute to the discussion. And then if they have questions or want to debate, they're input is welcome. But when someone comes on and right out of the gate starts bashing opinions, products, the intentions of the mods and sponsors...well....that's not only rude, it's suspicious. And it's annoying as all fuck.

Just a heads up to keep a look out. Thanks.
 
Agreed. I noticed it. They b*tch and are disrespectful with less than 10 posts on the board.... All the same thing....
 
Suspicious and paranoid of what? But ya that kind of behavior isnt going to come from a member thats been here for awhile so it kind of makes sensce....

You think its the same person or LE?
 
I'm new on here, actually an old member but created a new account since I haven't been on in a while. I have posted a lot but only with questions and such so I hope I haven't stepped on anybody's toes.
 
momentum34 said:
I'm new on here, actually an old member but created a new account since I haven't been on in a while. I have posted a lot but only with questions and such so I hope I haven't stepped on anybody's toes.
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No prob bro, we LOVE new members and appreciate your desire to be here and your contribution. It's nothing against new members-- just people who seem to just want to be disruptive.
 
Well-said. Check out my protein bar thread in the bodybuilding section. Perfect example.
 
Yeah, I love the 3 post members that come in on a thread of information full of input by long time trusted members and their first posts are all "You dont know wtf youre talking about", "This is Fucking stupid!", "You guys dont know shit!"...

Its getting real old...

-Legacy
 
I'm a new member and although I have seen some "trashing" I have also personally made a comment on a thread and was "trashed" by a so called "older more experienced" member. Now I called him out on it and didn't see a response which made me think he got the message.

So Nelson I wouldn't just focus on "new" members but rather those that are treating others perspective simply with "dignity and respect"! Just my 2cc's.

E
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
Yeah, I love the 3 post members that come in on a thread of information full of input by long time trusted members and their first posts are all "You dont know wtf youre talking about", "This is Fucking stupid!", "You guys dont know shit!"...

Its getting real old...

-Legacy
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Yeah, my favorite is when you spend a lot of time and energy telling a newb why he shouldn't go a particular route and in the end basically says, "eh, f*ck what you guys say, even though you've been doing it and researching it for years, what the hell do you know..."
 
^^^ some guy claimed that NTBM protein bars are the same as 7-11 bars. complete ignorance.

first off the 7-11 bars are packaged and processed. while ntbm bars YOU make yourself from scratch and YOU add or take out the ingredients.

second off the 7-11 bars base have soybean oil, high fructose syrup, fractionated or hydrogenated oils.. ntbm bars base is real stuff

obviously he didn't even read up on them, he probably thinks they are actual bars packaged and delivered.

ignorance ticks me off bigtime
 
EonWheels said:
I'm a new member and although I have seen some "trashing" I have also personally made a comment on a thread and was "trashed" by a so called "older more experienced" member. Now I called him out on it and didn't see a response which made me think he got the message.

So Nelson I wouldn't just focus on "new" members but rather those that are treating others perspective simply with "dignity and respect"! Just my 2cc's.

E
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That's not right either but you have to remember these guys see and get asked the same questions over and over and over again when most questions can be answered fairly quickly with the search button. I'm guilty of being lazy too but trying to start using the search button more so I don't annoy anybody.
 
I'm with Nelson on this 1. In addition, I would like to see the mods give a trouble-maker a 1 day time out the 1st time they disrespect. I've visited many other boards over the yrs. This is the best. What makes it the best is the people, the knowledge & the respect. Let's keep this place #1.
 
EonWheels said:
I'm a new member and although I have seen some "trashing" I have also personally made a comment on a thread and was "trashed" by a so called "older more experienced" member. Now I called him out on it and didn't see a response which made me think he got the message.

So Nelson I wouldn't just focus on "new" members but rather those that are treating others perspective simply with "dignity and respect"! Just my 2cc's.

E
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My original post wasn't about being against new members -- just the suspicion that's it's one person signing up under several new names.
 
New also and I the same, don't want to step on any toes I joined 3 sites affiliated with EF the info you guys have given and the support is greatly appreciated keep up the good work,
Thanks to all
 
Momentum & Nelson,

Let me 1st say Ty for your response and much appreciated contributions to this forum.

Momentum to further clarify I'm actually VERY educated in not only pharmacology but in other areas as well (3 MA's & a PhD) but not here to fluff my wings. I agree a lot of questions can be researched but I was "trashed" when I had a VERY experienced based perspective that was contradictory to an "older member".

Needless to say his response was without regard to common sense. WE all respond differently to the various "supplements" we take. It's trial and error for most and a newb simply being lazy should still be treated with respect! But I can definitely see how members would get annoyed by answering the same ? over and over, lol.

Nelson, you may be correct there could be someone creating new accounts to put it simply be a wienie!! I say bounce them or restrict their account..

This is a place for all to learn regardless of your length of membership. To think otherwise is pure ignorance...

Just my 2cc's. Again, you two contribute a lot to this forum why let some wienie ruin your day or the forum for that matter?

E
 
i would feel better if some of the forums were locked until you had a certain amount of posts, or specifically admitted by a moderator.

training forum, chat, diet, and the basics should be open, but stuff like the AAS forum and all the "illegal" sections would probably be better off being closed to people with under 150 posts, or a recommendation from an existing member or a mod
 
like if all new members logged their workouts for a while in the training forum, or a special workout log forum, and also commented on other members workouts and training, asked questions, gave help and suggestions, and proved they know the basics about training before being even admitted into the AAS forums i think it would cut down on the idiotic questions and trolls.

posting a workout log and commenting on others and participating in the community, it would be easy to log 150 posts in a few months
 
wow, subz has arms and a brain! that is a good idea, especially for all the youngens who can just say they are whatever age and access the info. learn from the diet and training forum first before anabolic! or unleash the stronbow on them in c&c
 
Nelson's referring to people who cause trouble, get banned, then come back to start shit again under an alter. They try to refine their approach to seem as if they're not breaking any rules. But they are avoiding a ban by using an alter which is breaking the rules to start with.
 
Nelson Montana said:
My original post wasn't about being against new members -- just the suspicion that's it's one person signing up under several new names.
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Agreed , that recent pct thread in the AAS Forum is a perfect example.
2 new guys 1 common agenda - shit stirring !!!

Absolutely no civil debate just accusations and BS.
Probably a troll with an axe to grind IMO...Time will tell.
 
well I'm new, not one of these guys not posting coz I just research mostly. still natty but won't bash you

so hi everybody !
 
columbo888 said:
Agreed , that recent pct thread in the AAS Forum is a perfect example.
2 new guys 1 common agenda - shit stirring !!!

Absolutely no civil debate just accusations and BS.
Probably a troll with an axe to grind IMO...Time will tell.
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I was involved in that thread. I hope you guys don't think I was trying to stir shit because I was most certainly not.

I love this place and have learnt so much in my short time here.

I have to admit though I understand why some people can become so suspicious regarding products in the supplement industry. Sometimes you can't help but ask a lot of questions, question motives ect, especially when you are new and havn't experienced the products.
 
Typo said:
I was involved in that thread. I hope you guys don't think I was trying to stir shit because I was most certainly not.

I love this place and have learnt so much in my short time here.

I have to admit though I understand why some people can become so suspicious regarding products in the supplement industry. Sometimes you can't help but ask a lot of questions, question motives ect, especially when you are new and havn't experienced the products.
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You made that point in the other thread , dont start talking that shit in this thread also.
This is not the supplements forum or the PCT forum either so drop the subject , thank you.
 
I was going to start bashing you guys for thiis thread, but decided I had better not. Joke

However, I have noticed it, and not just here. But lurking around since the early nineties, I can still pick out what I call the winners. Its the up and coming generation, some of which I really enjoy talking to and they seem to know whats up. Its the one night wonders, that know everything, have no patients, juice cause its cool/gangster then brag about it, lack humility and that are no longer teacahable that get me a little. But you know, even if it is just what not to do, I can still learn from them too. Silly, I know.
 
Typo said:
I was involved in that thread. I hope you guys don't think I was trying to stir shit because I was most certainly not.

I love this place and have learnt so much in my short time here.

I have to admit though I understand why some people can become so suspicious regarding products in the supplement industry. Sometimes you can't help but ask a lot of questions, question motives ect, especially when you are new and havn't experienced the products.
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We're all very aware of the dubious products on the market. But the products that you were questioning were ones that have gotten long time endorsements form hundreds of respected board members. So when you take a stance like it's all bullshit, you're essentially insulting those people, their opinions, their credibility and their word. And I don;t care how passive/aggressively you do it.

I'm not saying you cant ask questions...but...when they are posed in a confrontational and accusatory manner AS YOU PUT THEM...well, it puts people off and it puts the staff on guard.

Just to let you know.
 
Wow.....Somethings never change. LOL Been a while since I have been on the boards guys, but I could not see a better thread to chime back in on. Nelson to add to what you just posted above, the advice given by you and Needto on PCT and supplements has allowed me to do numerous cycles and to PCT out without losing gains as well as avoiding ED and other sides. As I see it, we were given two ears and one mouth for a reason. We should listen twice as much as we talk. Thank you to everyone on this board for being a great help on every cycle set up, training tips, PCT, and all around just good bro's. If others cannot see the value in the advice given, well, simply put, Screw em!
 
any new members that need help with anything.. never hesitate to shoot me a pm.. im here to help
 
I think you get a couple of different types of people, whether they are trolls or whether they are just relatively new to bodybuilding or fitness. I think when people are young and inexperienced they tend to lock in on whatever it is they believe as if that is the one and only solution or they learn a bit of information and believe that they are subject matter experts. I shouldn't generalize that as being young people, but from my own observations I have seen it more in young people.

An analogy would be the guy that takes an entry level psychology class, or whatever type of class in college, and then magically becomes an expert and sees the world through the lense of the limited amount of information that they have. Every problem or every issue that comes up is viewed through that limited perspective and they see what they want to see in every circumstance to validate their own bits of knowledge or beliefs.

Bodybuilding is a completely different creature, unfortunately. While there is some general knowledge and principles that guide us, it's not like math, there's no single solution or answer for anything. Everybody is different and people's bodies respond to different things for a variety of different reasons. Learning is great and learning and sharing thoughts, ideas, and information is what makes forums like this great but the people here who share the best stuff are the ones that share their experience and thoughts, but also know enough to be willing and able to say "I don't know".

Then again, that may completely miss Nelson's point and the problem is one or two people making multiple alternate accounts just to troll and the best solution is that everybody should just ignore them or find a way to ban people by their IP address.
 
hurricane said:
any new members that need help with anything.. never hesitate to shoot me a pm.. im here to help
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same here. my PM box is always open.

we are just like a gym, we get tons of new members come in everyday. some have experience, some are newbs. but if you research and put in some effort in searching this forum you can really get a lot of your questions and concerns answered, we have built a lot of info and there are many logs up you can di-sect and learn from.
 
I think it's rude to come onto any board as a new member, and start milking off the members' knowledge without having a history of offering information and sharing in discussions. And for anyone to come on and start criticizing members and complaining and being negative, is grounds for getting banned. I'm guilty of butting into others' threads, and I admit I'm sometimes too much of a braggart.... but at least I waited 'til I had been here awhile :rolleyes:

Charles
 
I wasn't going to chime in anymore but I have to admit the direction this topic has seemed to become very inspirational!

There are a lot of varying perspectives and yet everyone is keeping the golden rule "treat people with dignity and respect" in their replies!!

With that said, I commend all of you, new and old for your humility and ability to discuss a sensitive subject. This is exactly what EF forums should be for!! And thank you to those who are still offering to allow ANYONE to PM them for advice / feedback! Well done everyone!!

E
 
Anyone should be able to PM any of the mods for help or advice at any time. Sometimes a mod may refer to another mod or vet that they feel could offer better advice/experience in a given scenario, but the mods are chosen for their history of helping and being available to help other members.
 
Hi guys I'm new to this and new to training too, I'm 5,7 and weigh 11st 5 . I'm currently taking alphapharm sust 1 ml every 3 days and 6 prochem dianobol tablets daily. I train 5 times a week , I started 3 weeks ago . my genetics are quite good anyway but was wondering how long it'll actually take to get a 'good' body , you know proper pecs and so on. Any advice would be really appreciated . Thanks :)
 
Liam1988 said:
Hi guys I'm new to this and new to training too, I'm 5,7 and weigh 11st 5 . I'm currently taking alphapharm sust 1 ml every 3 days and 6 prochem dianobol tablets daily. I train 5 times a week , I started 3 weeks ago . my genetics are quite good anyway but was wondering how long it'll actually take to get a 'good' body , you know proper pecs and so on. Any advice would be really appreciated . Thanks :)
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Stick around. Go to the training forum. Order this: The Bodybuilding Truth: Discover how bodybuilders are getting scammed!

There's lots to learn but if you can't a general question that demands lots of one on one personal attention, you may not get too many responses.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Stick around. Go to the training forum. Order this: The Bodybuilding Truth: Discover how bodybuilders are getting scammed!

There's lots to learn but if you can't a general question that demands lots of one on one personal attention, you may not get too many responses.
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See what I mean?
 
Foxxxy said:
Just ban the f*ckers. Its been going on for awhile, I agree with you Nelson.
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If anyone sees a member doing it just report it or come right to me. I got no problem at all sending all of them packing. I will mass ban 200 people at once and not think twice about it. WE WILL HAVE ORDER!!!!!!!!!!! ANd I own this bitch just so ya know!!! :supercool:supercool
 
momentum34 said:
That's not right either but you have to remember these guys see and get asked the same questions over and over and over again when most questions can be answered fairly quickly with the search button. I'm guilty of being lazy too but trying to start using the search button more so I don't annoy anybody.
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Yes but still no one on this site should be giving anyone else a hard time. We want to have a high level of respect
 
tical247 said:
Hah, so mods ban my other account ("jasondub") and delete my last post. Classic damage control. There wasn't a single insult in that post; just my (as well as many others) opinion on what you've turned the board into. Were you guys afraid of what I had to share with the members of this board? Why censor me? There were no insults, there were no lies, only questions and perhaps a little enlightenment as to the rampant hypocrisy on this board. There are some good mods around here, stevesmi, for example. At least he's objective. Even needto says he uses clomid when he has to, although it was pretty obvious that was more of a preemptive thread to better deal with criticism down the road.

You know damn well the only reason my post was deleted is because it shed some light on the predatory practices around here and how some of the moderators of this forum are brainwashing trusting newcomers into believing that your products are the only viable solution available to them.

I guess I'm trolling. But there is a purpose behind it. I don't give two shits about you or your bottom line so I'll gladly expose you whenever I get bored and have a chance. You're an arrogant, name dropping jackass out to make a buck. No different than a pharmaceutical company looking to squeeze as much money out of the unsuspecting and sick when there are already existing products readily available that ACTUALLY CAN do the exact same thing your overpriced cocktails CLAIM TO BE ABLE to do for a fraction of the price.
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Yo, "tical" (yeah we know who you are). You keep making alters to avoid a ban you got so long ago I don't even know what it was for exactly.

Bottom line, you are a troll, yes. You keep coming back here to troll. All you want to do is start shit and cause trouble. We ban anyone who does this. No special treatment for you bro.

You only troll when you are bored? Damn, you must get bored a LOT! We've banned at least 8 or 9 of your alters over the last 6 months. Maybe you should go workout or get some other sort of productive hobby. :)
 
jasondub said:
Why not just call me out directly? I am the same member that had the back and forth with you a few months ago. Unfortunately, the powers that be had those threads deleted when they took a nasty turn after you began acting like a condescending know-it-all. Notice, I'm referring to the way you were acting then, I'm not insulting you right now.

Then I got banned by needto for "stirring up shit" when all I was doing was debating. So what if mutual insults were exchanged, the debate was heated, shit like that happens. You guys are too sensitive.
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The so what is that it is against the rules in every forum here except Chat. You want to hurl insults? Go to Chat. The members there will tear you up and enjoy every minute of it.

jasondub said:
If you need to have me banned again because I don't fit in with the agenda of this forum, then so be it.
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So be it! :)

Part of the agenda of this forum is that you respect other members (all members). That's where you can't seem to fit in.

Anyone else have trouble understanding that part?

I (and other mods) don't have a problem with any civil debate. I don't think any of the sponsors do either. If you get into a disagreement in this forum (or any forum but chat) just keep it civil and respectful. If you can't do that you are breaking the rules and will be subject to a timeout or a ban. There's no anarchy here. There is order.

The rules are in a sticky at the top of the forum. Please familiarize yourself with them. If you have any questions after reading the rules, feel free to PM a mod for clarification (though they are pretty simple).

Thank you.
 
Typo said:
I was involved in that thread. I hope you guys don't think I was trying to stir shit because I was most certainly not.

I love this place and have learnt so much in my short time here.

I have to admit though I understand why some people can become so suspicious regarding products in the supplement industry. Sometimes you can't help but ask a lot of questions, question motives ect, especially when you are new and havn't experienced the products.
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Asking questions and or asking some one to explain how and why something does work. Or why one is better then the other is fine.
When you do so in a disrespectful or attacking manner that is another.

Or when it becomes clear you have a agenda then that is also not ok ether. The fact is I love it when people ask questions about products I make. I love it when they try to debate them with me too. Its free advertising and a chance for me to prove the products worth... But when some one is just trying to be a jerk that is different and will not be tolerated.
 
jasondub2 said:
I totally agree. The issue was, and if anyone was around during that exchange between Nelson and myself they would remember, I wasn't the first to hurl an insult. He basically said I was out of my league for trying to debate with him and referred to me as a "kid" that could only cut & paste medical studies. This happened well before we even got into a good debate. I hardly even insulted him... I think I called him arrogant and he got all wound up and started to insult me. So I returned the favor a couple of times.

I'm not going to insult someone for no reason. I never do that. Nelson has earned any and every insult flung his way.

The main reason the debate got heated is because IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DEBATE WITH NELSON ABOUT HIS PRODUCTS BECAUSE HE WILL NOT DEBATE!
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I've been around a long time, so I'm sure I was here. But, I'm not about to go look for an obscure old thread, especially if it's somewhere in the recycle bin! That's over. It was then, not now.

If it's impossible to debate with Nelson, then don't debate. Just post your studies, facts, and opinions without emotion. I had a boss once that used to tell me to look at an issue and remove all emotions and get to the facts. Well, this is not an exact science, so there will be opinions. But again, state them without the emotion. What works with you might not work with others. Posting abstracts of one subject in a non placebo controlled, non peer reviewed study doesn't really lend much credibility to any argument either. Try that with a doctor, pharmacist, scientist, etc. They will "lol". Trust me!

If you do this and Nelson, or anyone else starts hurling insults, just take out the emotion and state your opinion WITHOUT slinging mud back. That way you can't have any fingers pointing at you. I know it's hard for most people to not fight back, but really...this is the internet. There's no threat here. It's not like Nelson's going to be able to punch you in the face or anything. LOL!

jasondub2 said:
Now.. you seem like an intelligent guy.
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There may be hope for you yet! :D

jasondub2 said:
Does his product being natural (plant derived) mean your body is doing something natural in response to them? No. They work just like any other drug to illicit a response.
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Not necessarily any other drug because drugs have different pathways, and hell, some drugs do things that scientifically/medically still can't be explained...but I get what you are saying. Yes, in our case of HPTA, something gets stimulated somewhere along the path to produce a response. As far as natural...let's not forget where this all started. Chinese have been using botanicals for centuries. There are mnay drugs that were derived from botanicals (plants/herbs) too. So yes, they are similar.
 
hey dub. You're banned again and yes I dont want you here so don't come back ever!! I will just ban you again and again and again. Till I get bored and then ban every ip and proxy within a 30 mile area of yours.
 
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needtogetaas said:
Asking questions and or asking some one to explain how and why something does work. Or why one is better then the other is fine.
When you do so in a disrespectful or attacking manner that is another.

Or when it becomes clear you have a agenda then that is also not ok ether. The fact is I love it when people ask questions about products I make. I love it when they try to debate them with me too. Its free advertising and a chance for me to prove the products worth... But when some one is just trying to be a jerk that is different and will not be tolerated.
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No worries need2, I have a lot of respect for you and the senior members here, and it is growing everyday.

Can't wait to try your products and see what all this fuss is about!
 
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