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Ok, so heres the scoop...let me start with my stats: im 23, 5'11", 215lbs, 10% BF, and have been using AAS since i was 18. Ok, so, i started taking AAS when i was 18, just a bottle of test, then after a few weeks, off i would build off that, test + deca, test + rifortiv-b, test + eq, stuff like that. Of course i would make sure i did my PCT stuff as well. Well, when i was 21, i stopped until i turned 23. I just decided to lay off for a while and made some good gains. I started back up using, test + eq, just to kinda work back into it, and it went very well. about 4 months after that, i tried tren for the first time, and i really worried about the fact that i had to cook this stuff up. I followed direction perfectly, and it came out really really nice.

I was one for about 3 weeks, 75mg EOD, and all of the sudden i had serious chest pain, and i went to the ER. the doc checked me out and said i had an anxiety attack. i have NEVER had anything like that, or been one to worry about ANYTHING really. SO, i just kept on with my cycle, and still had the pains...it was happening a lot. SO i got stress test and a EKG, blood work...all that..turns out, im perfectly fine, and it actually is ANXIETY. Well, i was worried so i stopped the tren, but i still had the pains and the ANXIETY attacks...so, i went to other doc b/c i was afraid they were missing something. Nope, it really was anxiety, so they put me on Effexor (which takes about a month to start working) and Xanex to calm me down until the Effexor started working. After that, i felt NORMAL. and REALLY stupid that this was happening, felt like a PUSS, but turns out, my mom has ANXIETY attacks and my dad has had them too. They say its hereditary. So...now, im feeling good on the Effexor alone. The attacks have stopped, and i feel normal. Its been about 3 months.

Its time to grow. I have cyp, riforvit-b, and primo Do you think that AAS could mess with my ANXIETY meds? What are everyones thoughts on mixing AAS with meds like these? Im just looking for some feedback from everyone. Thanx a TON!
 
They could aggrevate your natural nervousness, I would run small amounts if any at all to be safer. You don't want to overdoe it ya know.
 
lay off the meds for a minute, see if you can stay attack free for a while. from what i've HEARD, dont know personally EQ is a suspect for anxiety so i would stay away from that for sure.
 
this subject comes up once a week it seems. i don't buy AAS cause depression, anxiety, aggressiveness, mood swings, happiness, sadness, anger, whatever. that all comes from within and was there way before you poke your ass with a needle and injected yourself with steroids. :o

sorry bstat but sounds like anxiety runs in the family. never heard of panic attacks being hereditary but you never know.
 
I think the EQ is what did it to me personally. not the drug itself, but i got REALLY bad headaches, bad cramps in the middle of the night, crazy stuff...and i have never had that from any other AAS. EQ didnt cause my anxiety, i just think it worried me you know.

I got this off a medical site: "Anxiety Disorders are often hereditary but they often have "triggers" that actually cause their onset."

Its hard for me to believe that its hereditary..but, i agree with the trigger part. my fear i guess is that i have messed my heart up. But the docs say im fine..and i have had all the test except at Cath. I have probably done 9 cycles in my life. never went over 400mg of anything in a week. There is also no heart desiese in my family. Do you think i should worry about my heart with what i have done? Or should i just stop being such a puss? haha
 
could be that you are a 23 year old kid. kind of an anxious age for a lot of us, just getting out of college and starting out. it won't always be so hard bstat.
 
LVTitan said:
lay off the meds for a minute, see if you can stay attack free for a while. from what i've HEARD, dont know personally EQ is a suspect for anxiety so i would stay away from that for sure.
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bstat, this is not good advise. DO NOT play doctor with the anxiety meds. I've had anx. probs for about 5 years and have taken effexor (expensive shit!!). I was also prescribed something similar to Xanax in addition to that. I've taken gear while using those drugs and have had no problems since then. I've also tried to play doc and stop taking the anti anx. meds. Not a good idea for me. I wouldn't mess around with that stuff. Continue with your current doc that gave you them.
 
Hey bstat,

Anxiety and depression (We know you didn't mention depression but they sometimes occur together) certainly are genetic. My wife is prone to both as are her parents. It's all about chemical imbalance in the brain. Don't ever feel like a "puss" as you put it. Yes stressors and the like can trigger panic attacks but sometimes they just occur. Unfortunately they are, like we said, related to brain chemistry. Which means they are largely beyond your control and can't be "turned off' like a light switch. It can be very un-nerving to be a hostage to your brain chemistry. It's natural to feel frustrated and out of control. Do not "beat yourself up" over this !!

Continue in treatment with your doc. You can also do some web searches for information on panic attacks and anxiety. We're sure your a smart fella and as such would benefit greatly from gaining insight into your dilema. For many people information serves as an excellent source of "self help". Understanding the condition will go along way toward effectively dealing with it and the many emotions and feelings it can stir up !

As far as AAS goes, we don't have a good answer for you. I have heard people say that EQ makes them prone to anxiety. I personally have not experienced that side from it. However, my body responds well to AAS with minimal to no sides. Wished we could be more helpful in this regard.

Remember bro, knowledge is power. Talk to your doc, talk to your family about their anxiety issues (how old were they when it hit ? How did it manifest ? etc ) and above all research, research, research !!

Wishing you good luck and success, bro
 
Honestly this is probably just the beginning of the problem and AAS will just make it worse untill you stop some day for good. I went through everything you did and much more including several trips to the Emergency Room. The only thing you can do is take your med's to control it so it does not get out of hand. Because when it does you will develop social phobia and have trouble going places and maybe even driving. Hpefully you will not have a full blown panic attack because it is the worst thing to go through and once you have one you start to have them more frequently. I would suggest you read up on it so you know what anxiety and panic attacks are all about because that in itself will be alot of help. If it gets worst definitely go see a psychiatrist as they are much more knowledgeble on treating this condition. Good Luck
 
I would lissen to Detroit, he has the same issues as you have.. and no one of us could do anything else then imagine.. just don't stop the medecine you've been prescribed.. they'r there for a reason..
 
I take same type of meds and I'm about to start my first cycle. We will see. Good luck and listen to the doc
 
thanx a lot for the information guys. yea, i started seening a shrink and she helps a lot. as for having a full blown panic attack..oh yea, i have had them for sure and i have ended up in the ER 4 times already...felt like i was dying for sure. scarey crap. but...its hard to lay off the sauce. Im not an abuser, i dont do extreme amounts, i keep it nice, clean and safe (as you can that is) Its good hear that others have taken the meds im on with little or no side while using AAS. Thats great to hear. Again, thanx to everyone for you help. I agree, the more i know about anxiety, the better i feel. I havent had an attack for nearly 3 weeks. I dropped half a ABOMB at about 6:00pm yesterday and felt a little anxiety, but that had to be in my head. ABOMBS sure do make me tingly and itch...i sweat like crazy too while in the gym. Anyone else do this? I have 2 other bros that are on what im on, and they have the same sides...except they are getting small rashes on their arms and neck??? wierd huh?
 
detroitbodybuildertigers said:
bstat, this is not good advise. DO NOT play doctor with the anxiety meds. I've had anx. probs for about 5 years and have taken effexor (expensive shit!!). I was also prescribed something similar to Xanax in addition to that. I've taken gear while using those drugs and have had no problems since then. I've also tried to play doc and stop taking the anti anx. meds. Not a good idea for me. I wouldn't mess around with that stuff. Continue with your current doc that gave you them.
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i didnt read that his anxiety meds were doc prescribed...my bad, i thought he was just taking them on his own. in no way would i mean to tell him to do the opposite from what a doc says...
 
I have good knowledge of this topic having a background in psychology and having experience panic attacks myself.

First off panic attacks are defenitely hereditary. It's likely that AAS use brought on your first panic attack. The problem is once you've had one you're very prone to having more. It's almost like the fear of having one is constantly looming which kind of makes you more vulenerable. Ironically it's the fear of panic attacks which cause future panic attacks. So what's the cure? Unfortunately there isn't one but it's very very treatable. Learn some relaxation techniques (take a meditation class..panic attacks are very physiological..meditation teaches you how to treat these physical symptoms of panic and works alot better then meds to treat panic attacks in my opinion). Also just carrying some xanax/klonopin/valium in your pocket with you. This always seemed to help me (the realization that I had something readily availalbe to treat panic attacks in my pocket..this reduced my fear of having one and pretty much has elimentated my attacks).

Ask your doctor about klonopin wafers. They're very fast acting (within 10 minutes), unlike traditional pills.
 
bSTAT said:
thanx a lot for the information guys. yea, i started seening a shrink and she helps a lot. as for having a full blown panic attack..oh yea, i have had them for sure and i have ended up in the ER 4 times already...felt like i was dying for sure. scarey crap. but...its hard to lay off the sauce. Im not an abuser, i dont do extreme amounts, i keep it nice, clean and safe (as you can that is) Its good hear that others have taken the meds im on with little or no side while using AAS. Thats great to hear. Again, thanx to everyone for you help. I agree, the more i know about anxiety, the better i feel. I havent had an attack for nearly 3 weeks. I dropped half a ABOMB at about 6:00pm yesterday and felt a little anxiety, but that had to be in my head. ABOMBS sure do make me tingly and itch...i sweat like crazy too while in the gym. Anyone else do this? I have 2 other bros that are on what im on, and they have the same sides...except they are getting small rashes on their arms and neck??? wierd huh?
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1) Never stop taking your prescribed meds for a condition, it's ignorant.

2) You said the symptoms arose when you cooked up Tren. and the way you described the fact you had to cook it up sounded uneasy and worried. Maybe you felt guilty or like a criminal? I don't know

3) Tren. makes you crazier than a crackhead. Night sweats, personality shifts, etc. Especially if you have parents who have nervous conditions, then most likely you will end up with them also. Either by learned behavior or through genetics. They will rear it's head with certain aas

4) Don't be afraid of what you're taking. You KNOW you're being SAFE, and you KNOW what you're doing. KNOW what to expect with every aas as far as sides go and listen to other ppl's experiences so you won't be surprised.

5) Anadrol makes your skin feel like ants are biting. Happened to me too, I didn't like it, but I expected it. One of my boys got so freaked out he sold his stash to me for half the price because he didn't want them. lol

Most of it is all in your head. Focus on the positive and your goals. gl
 
Dude, I am the SAME fucking way...
Last Saturday was my first sustanon inject of an UGs lab...I started to have chest pains and couldnt breathe...so I went to the ER...EKG is fine, lungs clear, and am healthy according to the docs...so wtf? I am currently on Prozac 70mgs a day and Buspar 20mg twice a day...Do you think its anxiety? I get like pain in my chest and between my shoulder blades in my back and a constricting throat, feels like I am being choked.

Thanks.
 
I developed a case of anxiety from steroids. It sucks, especially the throat tightness. Just remember panic attacks are completely harmless. I went to the doc and he prescribed me Lexapro and my anxiety it going away well. Feels good, hopefully it doesn't get bad again when i start my next cycle...
 
the AAS probably did trigger your first attack. my trigger was marijuana and my first attack happened at 23 while i was high as a kite. i smoked pot and loved it since 14 until then. it was torture having to stop marijuana due to the fear of getting an attack while being high. i never got an attack sober, but this manifested into general daily anxiety and depression for quite some time. i am still depressed mildly(today at 28,never went on meds), but i learned to control the anxious feelings i get here and there. it took me 4 years to have the balls to try AAS again as i thought it might stimulate my cns and trigger attacks. summer of 2003 i tried GH at 3-4 IU daily, deca 300mg a wk, and var 20mg daily for 10 weeks total. no anxiety whatsoever. summer 2004 i kicked it up a notch and tried sust 250mg a wk, winny 25mg daily, and gh again for 12 weeks. the sust made mee feel great. very relaxed and happy all the time along with awesome sleep. no probs again whatsoever. then i even added t3 from 25-50mcg with clen along with my entire PCT for 6 weeks. this combo did make me a little more anxious than usual, especially the first 5 days or so but then the clen "tiredness" kicked in and i was cool. my advice would be to ease back in with a modest test dose like i did along with a mild anabolic like var, primo, or winny and 3 IU of gh daily. youll most likely feel better and youll leave alot of your anxiety in the gym ;-) your medication will prob keep you straight. having been through what you have, i can only wish you the best of luck and assure you that it really does get alot better with time. hope this helped you out.
 
I dunno man...is there a real difference between prozac and lexapro? I am also on the anti-anxiety drug buspar...but I dont think it does anything...What should I tell my doc regarding this? I would like to get some xanax or other CNS depressent, but I dont know how to confront him in a correct manner...
Thanks.
 
I take buspar, too... for the anxiety, xanax on hand for panic attacks, and trazodone to sleep well at night... all from doc. they seem to have helped. ask your doc for xanax in case you feel panicy, and possibly increase you buspar dosage... some are on as much as 60 mgs/day. take care!
 
Dude, not sure about yours, but my pills are scored in thirds on one side and in half on the other, and they are 15 mgs each. So, theorectiaclly I could do any amount 'twice' a day that is needed. What is your point to (It has to be used twice a day)? Take 1.5 twice a day... 30 mgs x 2 = 60.... ???
 
I had never had an anxiety attack in my life, until I tried EQ at 300mg/week. Then, I felt what I was later told was the early stages of one several times. They all happened when I was too hot (going into stores in winter wearing heavy clothes). I was always able to control them by going outside, breathing slowly and deeply, and reminding myself that it was just the EQ...nothing 'real' was wrong with me.
 
Duuude! Lol! I got that! I'm saying... If 20 mgs twice a day isn't working then maybe do 30 mgs twice a day! Maybe get some xanax, too Talk to your doc, jeez! Think ur on too much already!
 
thanx a lto for all the comments. wesley, yea,experience those pains again...then SLOWLY breath in through your nose, out through you mouth. Make SURE your stomach is MOVING when you breath...what is happening is you are hyperventalating (i TOTALLY spelt that wrong) when you start to breath correctly, you will feel those pains go away..and just to make you feel better...if you WERE SICK or, something WAS WRONG, breathing wouldnt fix it..ya know? So that breathing technique proves to yourself that your ok.

I got CRAAZY hooked on the Xanex, and i had to make myself stop taking it. I havent had any in 2 weeks and i doubled my does of Effexor to 150mg and I feel great. Im starting my cycle today:

400mg Cyp a week
50mg Riforvit ED

after that is gone in gonna finish up with some primo. Hopefully it will go well. Thanx guys!
 
I don't get anxiety attacks but I notice EQ seems to trend my HR upward after 8-10 weeks.
 
dosteov said:
I have good knowledge of this topic having a background in psychology and having experience panic attacks myself.

First off panic attacks are defenitely hereditary. It's likely that AAS use brought on your first panic attack. The problem is once you've had one you're very prone to having more. It's almost like the fear of having one is constantly looming which kind of makes you more vulenerable. Ironically it's the fear of panic attacks which cause future panic attacks. So what's the cure? Unfortunately there isn't one but it's very very treatable. Learn some relaxation techniques (take a meditation class..panic attacks are very physiological..meditation teaches you how to treat these physical symptoms of panic and works alot better then meds to treat panic attacks in my opinion). Also just carrying some xanax/klonopin/valium in your pocket with you. This always seemed to help me (the realization that I had something readily availalbe to treat panic attacks in my pocket..this reduced my fear of having one and pretty much has elimentated my attacks).

Ask your doctor about klonopin wafers. They're very fast acting (within 10 minutes), unlike traditional pills.
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This guy knows what he is talking about
 
pudding said:
This guy knows what he is talking about
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Exactly. Dosteov hit the nail right on the head. Panic attacks are definitely hereditary. They run in my family. My first one was triggered by weed, even after I had smoked it for a long time. And just like he said, once you have one, you are more prone to have them happen again because of the fear of having another. I never touched any meds thankfully, but I saw a shrink for 2 years and have been panic free for quite some time.

I learned that panic attacks are all in your head. The key is when one starts to come on, listen to your body, not your mind. Your mind is freaking out, trying to panic, triggering your fight or flight response in error, but don't listen to it. Listen to your body, your breathing, your heart is beating, everything is fine. Let your body be the governor of your mind in the case of panic. That is always what has helped me.
 
Alot of guys have this problem, but don't want to talk about it because they think it makes them look weak. It can be subdued, but I agree that the memory of the last time it happened is what gets you going in a time of stress. When you add that to additional things being put into your body caution has to be used.
 
wesley90 said:
Any specific meditation techniques that you would reccomend?
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I'm not a doctor. I only know what my doctor told me. I have been upfront with him. Everybody's situation is different. I can't suggest anything except talk to your Dr about what your using. I had to let him know what I'm starting because current meds.
 
wesley90 said:
Well I told him that sustanon caused it...but would he encourage me using steroids by prescribing me medication?
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I doubt it. My Dr tried to talk me out of it, but when he knew I had my mind made up he did his job.
 
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