Anti-Steroid sites?

[gorilla_boy]

So I'm dating this new girl. She's smart, witty, sexy and fun to be with. She's a keeper. I may even stop dating other chicks for this one.

The problem is this: she is totally anti-gear. NOTHING I've said has had any impact on her feelings about it. I think I even shot myself in the foot by explaining to her that some injectables are potentially much safer than some common supplements (prohormones). Now she's even against those.

Fuck, what was my point?

How have you guys convinced your significant other that AS use is OK? How can I hide/explain away massive gains in a short amount of time? Where can I get empty Trib or prohormones bottles in Canada?

She says I'm bigger than she likes already (as she salivates while running her hands over my pecs, chicks are such liars) but I want more.

I've got my gear and my baseline blood tests and I'm itching to oil...

 

[manny78]

Just buy a bottle of Tribulus costs about 20$ then you could tell her Trib has done miracles on you lol

 

[Zyglamail]

A common problems in relationships is that one partner tries to convince the other. That in itself is disrespectfull because you in essence are sending the message that her opinion is not important and she should feel as you do. Unintentionally human nature kicks in and she will likely become more adamant in her stance just because she feels preasure to see things as you do.

My advice to you would be to accept her feelings on this matter. If she is against them then fine, she is entitled to her opinion but at the same time so are you and you have the right to do with your body what you wish.

Instead of trying to change her mind, which invariably does the opposite, just tell her how she feels is fine and you accept her as she is and leave it alone. Once the preasure to change her point of view is gone she will likely look at things a bit more unbiased and you have a better chance of educating her.

 

[manny78]

Well the key here is to know if she's ready to accept it or not. If for example she tells you that if by any coincidence she finds out you're taking gear then hell yes you're better use my trick. Otherwise just tell its ok, you're gonna your things in your way and life will be peaceful.

I avoided problems easily when I started: I put my girl on gear so this way she was in the "family", she was like me and she could't start yelling about my gear.

 

[Zyglamail]

I avoided problems easily when I started: I put my girl on gear so this way she was in the "family", she was like me and she could't start yelling about my gear.

hehe, good one! Doesnt sound like our friend has that option.


Gorilla, at least she knows you use now, did she give you an ultimatum or anything?

 

[gorilla_boy]

hehe, good one! Doesnt sound like our friend has that option.


Gorilla, at least she knows you use now, did she give you an ultimatum or anything?

That's not an option. She's one of these anti-everything people. She doesn't even take birth control pills. No smoking, drugs, booze, NOTHING. Squaky clean. Go figure that the vegan I was dating before her had no problems with gear at all.

She actually thinks I'm natural (I just take creatine and eat lots of protien, heh). She has these friends at the gym where she works out that are anti-juice and she takes their word as law.

Fuck it, I just have to hide it. 15+ lbs is going to be hard to explain away though. What was it Hulk Hogan used to say in the old days? "Eat right, take your vitamins and say your prayers." or something...

 

[Zyglamail]

Ahh, so she doesnt know. Well then, I have drastically changed my physique since I have been going out with my girlfriend and what I keep telling her is that when I was younger I was a lot bigger but due to my recent divorce and other personal problems I let myself slide, now I am just regaining what I had lost and it comes back much faster than trying to get it in the first place

 

[GLASSVOICE]

Hey Mr. Gorilla, I think you should try and explain to her why you are using them. I don't think that she would be one of those girlfriends who injects their partner but, you should tell her and then inject yourself without having her present. And never mention it to her again unless she asks you.
GV

 

[gorilla_boy]

I think I'd better get some Trib and see if I can find some empty prohormones bottles...

 

[gorilla_boy]

Hey Mr. Gorilla, I think you should try and explain to her why you are using them. I don't think that she would be one of those girlfriends who injects their partner but, you should tell her and then inject yourself without having her present. And never mention it to her again unless she asks you.
GV

She's got a masters in psychology. She knows all about Muscle Dysmorphia. At this point it's pretty much an ultimatum: roids or her. I'll have my cake and eat it too.

 

[Zyglamail]

Thats the prblem with shrinks, its all a matter or perception. You could see 10 of them, 5 would say you are fina and the other 5 would say you have Muscle Dysmorphia. All I can say is fuck them all, its my body and I dont need anyone telling me I have problems. Im not hurting anyone, I am not anti social because of my AAS use and lifting, I am not an extremist, I am not getting behind on my bills or blowing off other obligations etc because of lifting. In a world where no one is willing to take the blame for thier lifestyl and actions the so called medical experts are so easy to come up with names for everything, after all, if they can label it, it takes responsibility away from the person who has "it" and "it" becomes a "condition".....what a crock of shit.

I personally could not be with someone who gave me an ultimatum. They can respect me by respecting my decision or hit the road. They dont have to like it, but they have to allow me to be what and who I want to be.

 

[gorilla_boy]

Thats the prblem with shrinks, its all a matter or perception. You could see 10 of them, 5 would say you are fina and the other 5 would say you have Muscle Dysmorphia. All I can say is fuck them all, its my body and I dont need anyone telling me I have problems. Im not hurting anyone, I am not anti social because of my AAS use and lifting, I am not an extremist, I am not getting behind on my bills or blowing off other obligations etc because of lifting. In a world where no one is willing to take the blame for thier lifestyl and actions the so called medical experts are so easy to come up with names for everything, after all, if they can label it, it takes responsibility away from the person who has "it" and "it" becomes a "condition".....what a crock of shit.

Yeah, I must admit that I am preoccupied with my body but I know that it's not out of line. I'm not hurting anyone. I think that some cardio bunnies are at a far greater risk of damaging themselves.

I personally could not be with someone who gave me an ultimatum. They can respect me by respecting my decision or hit the road. They dont have to like it, but they have to allow me to be what and who I want to be. [/B]

The problem is that this girl is sooooo worth it. She's almost perfect. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices. I'll compromise by appeasing her and not letting on what I'm doing. She loves the results so the ends justify the means.

 

[Zyglamail]

The problem is that this girl is sooooo worth it. She's almost perfect. Sometimes we have to make sacrifices. I'll compromise by appeasing her and not letting on what I'm doing. She loves the results so the ends justify the means.

Yes sometimes sacrifices are needed, but thats not what you are doing your simply lieing and setting your self up for a fall when she does find out.

 

[~HOUNDOG~]

The only wy she might be worth it is if she bends over 24/7.

 

[gorilla_boy]

Yes sometimes sacrifices are needed, but thats not what you are doing your simply lieing and setting your self up for a fall when she does find out.

Good point. Note to self: Do not get caught.

 

[Zyglamail]

Good point. Note to self: Do not get caught.

Im not trying to flame you or anything bro your in a tough spot and when we find someone we like we tend to try and work around problems because the good overshadows the bad. However, when trying to work through this stuff, dont lie to yourself and say your making a sacrifice when all it is is a lie.....if ya get where I am comming from. I wish you the best bro.

 

[G-Force]

A common problems in relationships is that one partner tries to convince the other. That in itself is disrespectfull because you in essence are sending the message that her opinion is not important and she should feel as you do. Unintentionally human nature kicks in and she will likely become more adamant in her stance just because she feels preasure to see things as you do.

My advice to you would be to accept her feelings on this matter. If she is against them then fine, she is entitled to her opinion but at the same time so are you and you have the right to do with your body what you wish.

Instead of trying to change her mind, which invariably does the opposite, just tell her how she feels is fine and you accept her as she is and leave it alone. Once the preasure to change her point of view is gone she will likely look at things a bit more unbiased and you have a better chance of educating her.

Top answer Zyg!

 

[gorilla_boy]

Im not trying to flame you or anything bro your in a tough spot and when we find someone we like we tend to try and work around problems because the good overshadows the bad. However, when trying to work through this stuff, dont lie to yourself and say your making a sacrifice when all it is is a lie.....if ya get where I am comming from. I wish you the best bro.

All good advice, Dude and I am in no way offended.
Thanks.

 

[vinman]

That's a tough situation, but you can't be someone you're not and neither can she. I know that when I was younger my whole life revolved around training and talking bodybuilding. Be it magazines, American Muscle or Worlds Strongest Man videos, it drove women crazy because they didn't understand it.

I think if you can talk about topics that interest her and do things that she enjoys as well as keep up your bodybuilding you'll have the best of both worlds.

Best of luck.

 

[GLASSVOICE]

OK, If you have decided not to tell her, I would tell you to make her love you until she can't live without you. Sooner or later she will notice that you are getting bigger but, my guess is that she is only going to be proud and said nothing. But you really have to drive her crazy about you. Flowers, diners, the works. Oh, send her a nice card by mail (they love that). You can also give her a simple plain set of earings so that she remembers you everytime she wears them!!!

Good luck,
GV

 

[DrJMW]

The answer is education. My wife is the same, but I'm a doc with 14 practical years experience and I've been a gym rat for 30. She knows that I read every book and article written about practical use of anabolics..so she trusts that I will use my best judgment. Tell your GF that there many pro BB's on the board and there are a couple of doc's there too to answer questions. She can email me if you want--to answer any questions. I can personally supervise your program. I have found that more GF's are trusting when their BF's/husbands have a doc in their corner.

 

[gorilla_boy]

OK, If you have decided not to tell her, I would tell you to make her love you until she can't live without you. Sooner or later she will notice that you are getting bigger but, my guess is that she is only going to be proud and said nothing. But you really have to drive her crazy about you. Flowers, diners, the works. Oh, send her a nice card by mail (they love that). You can also give her a simple plain set of earings so that she remembers you everytime she wears them!!!

Good luck,
GV

That's kind of the plan...

 

[Schwarzenyeater]

I think Zyg's advice was best on his first post! Sounds like you have a great GF gorrilla. Just be catious I once gave my GF an answer that later she used to break up with me. The question was when do you see yourself getting your own place. I said Im comfortable where im living. Later she let that answer decide our fate in the relationship. She could always use this AS crap to break up later. So just do what you want she sounds to good to be true!

 

[Frackal]

Fuck her dude, you tell her if she can't except who you are and what you do to get the fuck out. She's just trying to control you...seriously, what difference does it make to her if you use AAS or not? You're not having a baby with her are you? What a bunch of shit.

 

[Zyglamail]

Sounds like you have a great GF gorrilla. Just be catious I once gave my GF an answer that later she used to break up with me. The question was when do you see yourself getting your own place. I said Im comfortable where im living. Later she let that answer decide our fate in the relationship. She could always use this AS crap to break up later. So just do what you want she sounds to good to be true!

A relationship is about give and take, if you change to be what she wants it wont be real unless your changing because you want to. If you need to change into something to please her, then you likely care for her more than she does you. You want someone who will let you be you and is willing to work through things with you, not drop you at the first sign of trouble. Not trying to bust your chops, but if she is calling the shots and you are jumping through hoops the relationship WILL be one sided and there will come a time after the infatuation wears off that you will realize you gave too much and it will be downhill from there.

 

[gorilla_boy]

The answer is education. My wife is the same, but I'm a doc with 14 practical years experience and I've been a gym rat for 30. She knows that I read every book and article written about practical use of anabolics..so she trusts that I will use my best judgment. Tell your GF that there many pro BB's on the board and there are a couple of doc's there too to answer questions. She can email me if you want--to answer any questions. I can personally supervise your program. I have found that more GF's are trusting when their BF's/husbands have a doc in their corner.

Wow. Thank you for the offer.

I think that approach would work with some women but not this one. She is too anti-everything.

I've finally shut her up about it and the last thing I want to do is have another week-long heated discussion on why she knows roids are evil.

Can I take a rain cheque?

 

[DrJMW]

Maybe your GF and my wife should get together. My wife is now the greatest negative force on the planet (her father passed away last December, so she is the reigning negative force). Look, if you are dishonest with someone you plan to spend the rest of your life, it will haunt you. Now is not the time to play poker. Play poker AFTER you get married.

 

[kaivil]

If she doesn't want you as you are just let her go.

First the gear, then what... Think about it.

 

[Dar91]

Get some books on AAS and tell her to read up... Its people with only a little knowledge that are the most dangerous. Why do steroids get a bad name? because people are not informed. Real athletes dont go into rages, or abuse S, they use it to boost performance. Get her The Anabolic Edge 2001 its informative on the good and bad aspects of gear(mostly good, but tells of sides). Get yourself The Stack and read up on the "hide from the wife" stack

If you think she is perfect, dont let her get away.

 

[mikelong23]

no offense to you, but i would say fuck you to her, and that she can take you like you are, there is no reason to be thinking seriously about another person if she can not accept you for who you are, especially if that person is trying to change you saying your already too big, i'd say go find some little skinny bitch than if im too big

 

[gorilla_boy]

Maybe your GF and my wife should get together. My wife is now the greatest negative force on the planet (her father passed away last December, so she is the reigning negative force). Look, if you are dishonest with someone you plan to spend the rest of your life, it will haunt you. Now is not the time to play poker. Play poker AFTER you get married.

I appreciate what you are saying about honesty in a relationship etc. but I really do believe that a short period (I don't plan on long term AS use) of less than total disclosure is favourable to not dating her.

 

[Daeo]

I'd dump her on the principle that she's anti-gear alone. I agree with what Dr JMW says though. I'd never hide gear use from my significant other. I'm a grown man for christs sake...

 

[gorilla_boy]

As a side note:

I typicaly only see her on weekends as she lives in T.O. and I am 100 kms away. Therefore if I inject on Sunday night, the stiffness, bruising etc. should be gone before she sees my naked ass on the following Saturday...

 

[DrJMW]

I sense some real fear on your part gorilla. Everybody on this board, including myself, has skeletons in the closet, and some scarier ones than gear. You will not be able to live with yourself by not confiding in your GF--especially if she is marriage material. If she is just a sport f--k, then don't tell her. I do not know the extent of your relationship. I told my current wife everything just before we got engaged. Here we are, 14 years later. What's meant to be, is meant to be.

 

[gorilla_boy]

I sense some real fear on your part gorilla. Everybody on this board, including myself, has skeletons in the closet, and some scarier ones than gear. You will not be able to live with yourself by not confiding in your GF--especially if she is marriage material. If she is just a sport f--k, then don't tell her. I do not know the extent of your relationship. I told my current wife everything just before we got engaged. Here we are, 14 years later. What's meant to be, is meant to be.

I wouldn't call it fear. More like prudence. Ultimately, if it comes around to marriage, she'll get disclosure regardless of my/her anxieties. She's definitely not just a sport f--ck (new terminology, cool).

The problem lies in that she will never accept AS use. I'll just tell her that I'm using trib/prohormones and whatnot and keep the peace. We all know how safe moderate AS use is but she won't be convinced.

 

[FreakMonster]

Gorilla Boy,
This is a very touchy subject with women. Most women have no clue about what anabolics are about.
I was in the same exact situation that you are in now. My GF is anti-everything also. No drugs, drinks, or juice but the bitch does smoke and that pisses me off. Anyways, she's spouting off about how bad juice is and the evils and everything else. I just looked at her and laughed and told her to bring me evidence of everything she told me. Of course she didn't do that and just got mad at me and gave me that same ultimatum.

She tells me "The juice or me?"

Now this is the part where you have to think where YOU are in the relationship. Are you the one in control/in the drivers seat?
Or is she the one controlling you and calling all the shots?

In my case I knew I had the upper hand in the relationship so I called her bluff because I knew I could eventually feed her with factual information about juice and ease her mind. So I said I was still going to juice no matter what she thought of it. I'm not going to let some bitch tell me to pick between her and something else. That's just complete bullshit. If she valued the relationship she would not be giving you an ultimatum like that.
Anyways, now she's cool with it and doesn't care because SHE LOVES ME!!!!!


Now, it sounds to me like she's in total control of the relationship.
And no matter what you say to her about juice it will just end up in a heated discussion. Am I right?

I think you need to do one of 4 things:
1) Hide the usage from her very carefully and never let her find out because if she ever does she will never trust you again and most likely she will bail

2) Challenge her to back up every single thing she has said WITH EVIDENCE about why she thinks it's SO EVIL!!

3) Tell her your going to juice no matter what she thinks and see if she bails on you or not. If she bails on you she truly didn't love you. Move on to the next bitch. If she smoked and you gave her the ultimatum of smoking or you leave I'm sure she wouldn't hesistate to tell you to hit the road because she would not quit for you.

or 4) Bowdown to her and choose not to juice!!


It's so fucking funny when girls love how your body looks and wanna fuck the shit out of you but the minute they find out you juice they want you to stop doing it!! What kind of bullshit is that?

 

[freshr1]

She's a keeper. I may even stop dating other chicks for this one.

Oh come on. We both know you're talking crazy-talk!

That being said, don't tell her anything. Trust me on this, they'll hold it against you when shit goes wrong. Don't try to convince her. In fact, side with her and tell her yes steroid ABUSE is bad (no lie). Good thing you're not ABUSING.. only using

 

[FreakMonster]

So I'm dating this new girl. She's smart, witty, sexy and fun to be with. She's a keeper. I may even stop dating other chicks for this one.

hehe How long have you been dating her?

Also does she have a boob job? Or does she smoke?
Just trying to see if you have any ammo to fire at her if you decide to confront her about using.

 

[Schwarzenyeater]

I would watch out for this woman Gorrilla if she f**K's you she probably will mess around and use AS to through you off balance. Tell her straight up I juice end of story.

 

[gorilla_boy]

Now, it sounds to me like she's in total control of the relationship.
And no matter what you say to her about juice it will just end up in a heated discussion. Am I right?

TOTAL control, no but her opinion counts heavily just as mine should with her when I feel so strongly about something.

I think you need to do one of 4 things:
1) Hide the usage from her very carefully and never let her find out because if she ever does she will never trust you again and most likely she will bail

She'll never find out.

2) Challenge her to back up every single thing she has said about why she thinks it's SO EVIL!!

Been there, done that. Useless.

3) Tell her your going to juice no matter what she thinks and see if she bails on you or not.

She'll bail.

or 4) Bowdown to her and choose not to juice!!

You say that as if it's feasable...

It's so fucking funny when girls love how your body looks and wanna fuck the shit out of you but the minute they find out you juice they want you to stop doing it!! What kind of bullshit is that?

Tell me about it...

 

[gorilla_boy]

Re: Re: Anti-Steroid sites?

hehe How long have you been dating her?

Also does she have a boob job? Or does she smoke?
Just trying to see if you have any ammo to fire at her if you decide to confront her about using.

Dating her a cpl of months.

No boob job, no smoking, wears her seatbelt in the car. She's a freakin' nun! I like good girls...

 

[FreakMonster]

Re: Re: Re: Anti-Steroid sites?

Dating her a cpl of months.

No boob job, no smoking, wears her seatbelt in the car. She's a freakin' nun! I like good girls...

WOW! Well I guess if you want to keep juicing you gotta hide it from her. I think it sucks that you have to hide it from her but I think the type of person you are describing cannot be changed.


Best of luck to ya!!

 

[gnostic]

I only have one thing to say about anti steroid websites. They are for ignorant cock suckers and ass mongers, enough said.