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Cee Dub

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Last resort.....

I am 25 years old, 10.1% body fat. 163 pounds. Been training naturally for roughly 3.5 years. Been working way to hard and sacrificed way to much to not have what I want to show for it....I have a smaller frame, noone in my family is defined, I feel genetics negatively impacts me. I have been changing my workouts roughly every month and have plateaud without seeing much overall gain since I started lifting years ago. I have toned up a slight bit, but not as much as I would like.

We all have to start somewhere so I will admit, I am a noob when it comes to anabolic steroids...Have been researching Anavar solidly all day for the last 7 days....based off my findings, this particular steroid has the lowest "talked about" side effects and is not promoted for mass/extensive size gains but instead for trunk fat loss (i'm hoping this means in the lower abdominal area as I have a slight belly at the bottom of my stomach, had it since I was a kid) and a "Lean, Cut, shredded" look. This is EXACTLY what I am looking for, I have been reading posts from forums all over the web saying to add Test, add this, add that....dont do this, dont do that.... stack this with this, stack that with that....Etc....Its impossible to build a solid basis of confidence in something when there are soooo many opinions out there....funny thing is....Here I am starting a thread that will ultimately accomplish the same thing for someone else in my current position....... foolish?......or the answer to my questions??? :)

Here is my dilemma, regardless of what anyone says, I REFUSE to inject, whether or not it is better makes no difference, I refuse and stand by it...However, I do want to see more gain and know that it can be done orally. I have thought about stacking Var with Winstrol, clenbuterol and tren fina but, based off what I read, this would be very liver toxic (even when taken with liver supporters) and probably NOT a good idea at all for a first timer... I am most worried about my sex drive, This is something that makes me nervous and something that I do not want to lose but at the same time realize that there is pretty much a guarantee of "some" loss. I have read about stacking Anavar with all kinds of things...and am still clueless due to the countless number of "IMO's" I have read

My desire: to see roughly 8-10 pounds of permanent lean muscle gain, not going for bulk, just want to shred up a little without having to inject and without having to go on a narly stack involving 3 or more compounds, I am ultimately looking to go on an "only" stack. Anavar has been talked about the best out of all Steroids that can be taken solely. Again, without having to inject....

Diet is between 2500-3000 calories a day, taking in 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight daily, good carbs, diet is in check.....lots of lean meats, whole grains, fruits, veggies, H2O, good fats and good carbs from solid sources. Eat every 3 hours starting @ 9:00 AM and ending at 8:00 PM.

Training is in check and intense @ 5 days a week with light cardio after 4 out of the 5. Am going to bump up to 6 a week when cycle starts
I dont puss around as pussing around is NOT the way to see gains with only a good diet and good rest.

My question: Can Anavar @ 30-40 MG daily for 6...or 8 weeks, give me the results discussed above. I am aware there are alot of opinions out there....seems people want to know exactly what you are looking for in order to help you so I will reiterate....

1) 8-10 pound solid, lean muscle gain with small size increase and good strength increase
2) gains becoming somewhat longterm if not permanent
3) NO INJECTIONS REGARDLESS OF OPINION....Please respect and dont bash.
4) Minimal side effects
5) Quality Product ( I have no idea where to even start looking for this steroid. I Have heard many stories of online purchasing where the steroid is very diluted and you are not getting the dosage you think you are, any assistance would be appreciated...if none, i'm sure i'll find a way as long as good research supports it )

Most of all
5) Minimal sex drive loss.....Again, I am aware there is almost a guarantee to see some loss, if this is the case after my cycle.....what is the MOST EFFECTIVE way/s to regain what has been lost.

Bad part is, I have absolutely noone in my life with knowledge to discuss this with in person so my only hope at confidence in my decision is to resort to forums like this....
Please dont use alot of jargon in any response and keep acronyms at a minimal so that I dont have to write back asking what something means. Also, I am not looking for someone to tell me not to go on a cycle at all and stick to good diet and sleep. I believe that the only way to really found out how you will react to something is to see for yourself. I am more looking for people with past experiences on a Anavar "only" cycle or any stories of knowledge you might have that will assist me in my journey. Pic is attached, am currently 4 pounds heavier. Thanks!
 
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Bro first.
Diet... Don't vary between 2500 and 3000. Stay at 3000 or more all the way through. I also suggest, if you are goin to use the var, use I at least 50mg every day for at least 6 weeks. Preferably 8 weeks. Anavaf won really strain liver or heart, but over time can stress kidneys. You liver will be fine, that is least of your worries. Heart is much more important. And for libido, get some rls topical dermacrime which will improve your mood, libido, fat loss and gains.
 
Best way to get what your lookn for what probably be to bulk up for a few months while its still winter then cut the fat. Keep your calories at 3,000 a day minimum. Maybe run beast for a month? That will help with lean gains. I would Def save somethn like anavar for a summer cycle bro, ur not gonna achieve the look your looking for without putn some mass on first
 
Bren - I am familiar with "The basics", Talked about this in my initial post. Been running on the basics for 3 and a half years. Thanks.

Gamer -- Is rlstopical dermacrime preferabbly taken post cycle or during?
 
I take dermacrine with the cycle and depend a HRT dose and HCGenerate to cruise on for a while until my blood work comes back good.
I apply the lotion every morning after taking a shower with 4 pumps. Usually takes a few mintues ot dry. The best place to aplly the dermacrine is on the shoulder and upper-back.
 
Cee Dub said:
Bren - I am familiar with "The basics", Talked about this in my initial post. Been running on the basics for 3 and a half years. Thanks.

Gamer -- Is rlstopical dermacrime preferabbly taken post cycle or during?
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Dude, your 160lbs. I can't see your pic full blown cause I'm not platinum but you look like you have a great base just need some mass. I'm 5'6 at 172 and around 12% bf right now and look wayyyyy bigger than you. You seem to have abs showing. If you eat ALOT you can gain waht you want without the var, then cut use the var to cut a little once you've gotten the size you want.
 
weighed 154 when that pic was taken, just reweighed, 158 now....sorry

Are there any recommended post cycle therapies I could research?
 
Yes dermacrime and HCGenerate on cycle. And HCGenerate post. Dermacrime not post.
 
Cee Dub said:
Last resort.....

I am 25 years old, 10.1% body fat. 163 pounds. Been training naturally for roughly 3.5 years. Been working way to hard and sacrificed way to much to not have what I want to show for it....I have a smaller frame, noone in my family is defined, I feel genetics negatively impacts me. I have been changing my workouts roughly every month and have plateaud without seeing much overall gain since I started lifting years ago. I have toned up a slight bit, but not as much as I would like.

We all have to start somewhere so I will admit, I am a noob when it comes to anabolic steroids...Have been researching Anavar solidly all day for the last 7 days....based off my findings, this particular steroid has the lowest "talked about" side effects and is not promoted for mass/extensive size gains but instead for trunk fat loss (i'm hoping this means in the lower abdominal area as I have a slight belly at the bottom of my stomach, had it since I was a kid) and a "Lean, Cut, shredded" look. This is EXACTLY what I am looking for, I have been reading posts from forums all over the web saying to add Test, add this, add that....dont do this, dont do that.... stack this with this, stack that with that....Etc....Its impossible to build a solid basis of confidence in something when there are soooo many opinions out there....funny thing is....Here I am starting a thread that will ultimately accomplish the same thing for someone else in my current position....... foolish?......or the answer to my questions??? :)

Here is my dilemma, regardless of what anyone says, I REFUSE to inject, whether or not it is better makes no difference, I refuse and stand by it...However, I do want to see more gain and know that it can be done orally. I have thought about stacking Var with Winstrol, clenbuterol and tren fina but, based off what I read, this would be very liver toxic (even when taken with liver supporters) and probably NOT a good idea at all for a first timer... I am most worried about my sex drive, This is something that makes me nervous and something that I do not want to lose but at the same time realize that there is pretty much a guarantee of "some" loss. I have read about stacking Anavar with all kinds of things...and am still clueless due to the countless number of "IMO's" I have read

My desire: to see roughly 8-10 pounds of permanent lean muscle gain, not going for bulk, just want to shred up a little without having to inject and without having to go on a narly stack involving 3 or more compounds, I am ultimately looking to go on an "only" stack. Anavar has been talked about the best out of all Steroids that can be taken solely. Again, without having to inject....

Diet is between 2500-3000 calories a day, taking in 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight daily, good carbs, diet is in check.....lots of lean meats, whole grains, fruits, veggies, H2O, good fats and good carbs from solid sources. Eat every 3 hours starting @ 9:00 AM and ending at 8:00 PM.

Training is in check and intense @ 5 days a week with light cardio after 4 out of the 5. Am going to bump up to 6 a week when cycle starts
I dont puss around as pussing around is NOT the way to see gains with only a good diet and good rest.

My question: Can Anavar @ 30-40 MG daily for 6...or 8 weeks, give me the results discussed above. I am aware there are alot of opinions out there....seems people want to know exactly what you are looking for in order to help you so I will reiterate....

1) 8-10 pound solid, lean muscle gain with small size increase and good strength increase
2) gains becoming somewhat longterm if not permanent
3) NO INJECTIONS REGARDLESS OF OPINION....Please respect and dont bash.
4) Minimal side effects
5) Quality Product ( I have no idea where to even start looking for this steroid. I Have heard many stories of online purchasing where the steroid is very diluted and you are not getting the dosage you think you are, any assistance would be appreciated...if none, i'm sure i'll find a way as long as good research supports it )

Most of all
5) Minimal sex drive loss.....Again, I am aware there is almost a guarantee to see some loss, if this is the case after my cycle.....what is the MOST EFFECTIVE way/s to regain what has been lost.

Bad part is, I have absolutely noone in my life with knowledge to discuss this with in person so my only hope at confidence in my decision is to resort to forums like this....
Please dont use alot of jargon in any response and keep acronyms at a minimal so that I dont have to write back asking what something means. Also, I am not looking for someone to tell me not to go on a cycle at all and stick to good diet and sleep. I believe that the only way to really found out how you will react to something is to see for yourself. I am more looking for people with past experiences on a Anavar "only" cycle or any stories of knowledge you might have that will assist me in my journey. Pic is attached, am currently 4 pounds heavier. Thanks!
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At that age you have enough test flowing thru your system to do what you want.
After seeing that picture i'll tell you like it is,It's not that you train but how you train I've seen guys just like you come into my gym and year after year they look the same, You have no muscle to show for it,and frankly anavar isn't gonna do jack if theres no muscle mass to start with. now we're talking calories, it not that you eat but What and how you eat,


Read this ,not bits and pieces but the whole thing,and after that I bet You are not even close to doing anything like that.



http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-build-muscle-loose-fat-then-read-712503.html



Next we get to training ,are you doing the same exercises over & over? the body has a way of adapting,You have to constantly fool the body by completely changing routines ,you do this by increasing intensity,and the total weight, after a few months throw it off again by doing supersets, HIT Training, Forced rep training and so on.
If you have any questions just shoot me a pm.
 
Don't mess with steroids unless you're prepared to stick yourself with a needle. Seriously. You take oral anavar, winny, dbol, anadrol, etc, you'll suppress your natural testosterone production. You can try a transdermal testosterone cream or gel to replace this while on cycle, and it might help but would suppress you even further, allowing your testicles to atrophy and creating an environment where enzymes responsible for converting pregnenolone from cholesterol are not as active as they should be. This in turn would cause a cascade of issues. We try to avoid this by utilizing HCG while on cycle to stimulate the leydig cells and p450scc enzymatic activity.

HCG is an important drug to consider when cycling and the only method of administration is an injection. It can be injected with an insulin syringe right into the belly fat, you can't even feel it.

Injections sound scary at first, but they really aren't a big deal and this method of administration is much safer than continued use of liver toxic orals. I can already guarantee you that you won't stop at one cycle so you should re-evaluate your stance on injections before you even get started.
 
Thanks for all the help dudes. I appreciate it. not sure which route i'm going to go, sticking myself is not an option at this point because 1) I cant do it myself, have tried in the past due to a medical issue when I was younger and failed, had to end up having mom do it for me, and 2) Currently have noone to do it for me.

Situations like mine suck when you have noone to turn to.
Ive seen and talked to guys with my exact frame that have taken Anavar and seen 7-8 pound lean muscle gains while shedding 1.5-2% of their body fat, mostly in the trunk area revealing the lower abdominals.....

The other thing, I said I didnt come in here for someone to tell me I am to young to do this....clearly there are people younger than myself on cycles similar to what I have described that are seeing gains.....Its not about the amount of test already present/flowing through my body, its about all of the sweat I have poured into good training and good diet that is not paying off....I have read countless stories where genetics is the main factor and guys are needing something extra to push them over that edge they are looking for.....Noone in my family has a history of bodybuilding nor is anyone in my family big (talkin muscle, not fat) I have come to the belief that since my eating and training is in check, my genetics is what is hurting me the most. I change my workouts every month on the 1st.....amt of weight, changing routine, increasing intensity, Etc.... yet, I continue to see no gains while still throwing money on expensive and high quality proteins along with a hefty grocery bill. It sucks man, put yourself in my shoes..... Been a hard worker for years now and, its not paying off....

Again, THANK YOU ALL for your input, i'm glad I came here for some advice.....any more is appreciated and is not taken for granted.


:)
 
i trained a guy your age and in a year he put on close to 60 pounds ,so don't shoot me that genetics thing (thats just an excuse) he was 6'2" and weighed 145 when he started and within a yr he was benching over 300 lbs!

Excuses are just another way of looking for the easy way out!
I was Training back in the day of Frank Zane and Arnold and i can tell you the only way you are going to do anything is to do as i did ,pay your dues and train with Blood ,sweat & tears ,so don't try to tell me otherwise ,because 90% of the members here will agree with me on this, injection are not the answer either,so Quit looking for that magical fix because there is none!
Anyone who has seen me can tell you i have paid my dues ,i just turned 59 this month.


anyway keep posting until someone chimes up with what you want to hear!Good Luck!
 
Well I think your not eating enough!!! 3000+ calories if you want to muscle mass
Your also overtraining!!! Train 3 days per week, left heavy, and only do cardio on rest days if you have to, your burning to many calories and your not letting your muscles recover and grow!!! Remember the pyramid
DIET
/. \
TRAINING ____ REST.

Try to makes these changes and you will see results!!
 
Cee Dub said:
Here is my dilemma, regardless of what anyone says, I REFUSE to inject, whether or not it is better makes no difference, I refuse and stand by it...However, I do want to see more gain and know that it can be done orally.
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One of your bodies most prevelent hormones is testosterone. When you take anabolics you natural production of test is shut down so you will have no test of your own. Regardless of your reasons running around for a couple months without one of your bodies primary hormones is not something I am fond of.

Cee Dub said:
Diet is between 2500-3000 calories a day, taking in 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight daily, good carbs, diet is in check.....lots of lean meats, whole grains, fruits, veggies, H2O, good fats and good carbs from solid sources. Eat every 3 hours starting @ 9:00 AM and ending at 8:00 PM.

SNIP.....

Training is in check and intense @ 5 days a week with light cardio after 4 out of the 5. Am going to bump up to 6 a week when cycle starts
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Good carbs and whole grains are not necessarily synonymous in my book. We have basically 3 different energy pathways, the Phosphagen, Glycolytic and Oxidative. Typical hypertrophy workouts use primarily the phosphagen pathway while typical cardio uses the oxidative pathway. Having an abundance of carbs in the diet does little for hypertophy style workouts. Ditch rice, potatoes, bread and any thing processed. Track all your meals for a few weeks and monitor your changes in not only weight but performance. Tweak diet accordingly in small amounts and monitor for changes. Ditch light cardio and do 8-15 minutes super intense work to get heart rate jacked.


Stubborn fat hanging is likely a result of a few things. You may be eating too little and your metabolism has slowed. Your eating poor carb choices that have a high glycemic impact and cause a insulin spike causing glycogen to be stored. Your choice of "light" cardio does nothing for long term metabolism, nothing for increasing VO2max and increases cortisol levels for no other reason than to burn a few cals. Ab fat collection is one indicator of High cortisol levels.


All in all it doesnt look like your carrying much mass at all. AAS is NOT going to give you keepable gains, it will give you the gains but keeping them is your job and to be honest I dont think your up to the task just yet and will be dissappointed 2 months after cycle when you lose all your gains.
 
agree with all the guys above, check ur training and caloric intake , i guess u need more than 3000 cal try 3500.
and in case later on u wanna start an oral only cycle for the first time stick with dbol 20-30mg/ed for 4-6 weeks max with an AI (aromatase inhibitor like adex, aromasin, letro) this way ur gains will be lean, of course considering ur eating clean.
 
RADAR said:
i trained a guy your age and in a year he put on close to 60 pounds ,so don't shoot me that genetics thing (thats just an excuse) he was 6'2" and weighed 145 when he started and within a yr he was benching over 300 lbs!

Excuses are just another way of looking for the easy way out!
I was Training back in the day of Frank Zane and Arnold and i can tell you the only way you are going to do anything is to do as i did ,pay your dues and train with Blood ,sweat & tears ,so don't try to tell me otherwise ,because 90% of the members here will agree with me on this, injection are not the answer either,so Quit looking for that magical fix because there is none!
Anyone who has seen me can tell you i have paid my dues ,i just turned 59 this month.


anyway keep posting until someone chimes up with what you want to hear!Good Luck!
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Look dude, I'm not trying to be shitty here but.... I am not looking for an "easy fix" or an excuse and I didnt come here to hear something in specific.... I dont appreciate those comments. I asked a question in my initial post and you took it off course....your fault. I never came in here and said, "I need an easy fix" I am STILL willing to pour my sweat into my training because I am determined and NOT a quitter....I simply asked for information on something that could possibly give me the boost I need to get over the wall. Dont come at me with that Easy fix and excuse shit....thats not me and I dont appreciate it. Thanks

I have all the information I need....thank you all for your input/advice. I'm glad I came here.
Have a safe and happy new year
 
Zyglamail said:
I dont think your up to the task just yet .
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Again, specifically said I was committed and dedicated to doing this the right way meaning, will make diet and training changes wherever needed......I thought based off what i've read that they were in check...if I was wrong, thats fine....Willing to change whatever is necessary.....

I'm confused about the above quoted comment.....

at any rate....thank you for your advice....I will look at where I can make changes in my training and diet based off the info in your response.
 
you never did post what your workouts consist of. if you want to gain size then you need to squat on monday w/5-6 work sets of no less than 10-12 reps using a weight that puts you at failure on the 10-12 rep. do some calf work and call it a day. wend is your bench day w/5-6 sets of 8-10 reps same intesity. add in some delt and tri work and call it a day. fri is deadlift day with the same work ethic as mon and wend. w/ some back and bi work added in. if you are not doing the core size building work then you will never get the results you want. you have already got all the food/calorie advice you need. as far as supps. have you tried creatine? it is a must for natural body builders for gaining size. also just as important are bcaa's and glutamine @ 40,000mg day each on workout days and 20k on non workout days. if you havnt been taking these supps then that should be your next step. as far as anavar goes, yes it is the safest of all orals but still very toxic to the liver and anyone who says differently is an idiot. ALL oral steroids have an additive that keeps them intact so they can pass through the liver and make it into the blood stream, this additive that keeps the steroid intact is very damaging to the liver and you need to keep your oral cycles short, ie. less than 6 wks, and very infrequent, ie. one time per year. oral steroids are also very hard on lipid levels which means it throws your hdl/ldl levels out of whack causing your arteries to clog. all steroids do this and it is very important to keep an eye on this so you dont have a heart attack or stroke out like so many veteran users have. best of luck to you.
 
Cee Dub said:
Look dude, I'm not trying to be shitty here but.... I am not looking for an "easy fix" or an excuse and I didnt come here to hear something in specific.... I dont appreciate those comments. I asked a question in my initial post and you took it off course....your fault. I never came in here and said, "I need an easy fix" I am STILL willing to pour my sweat into my training because I am determined and NOT a quitter....I simply asked for information on something that could possibly give me the boost I need to get over the wall. Dont come at me with that Easy fix and excuse shit....thats not me and I dont appreciate it. Thanks

I have all the information I need....thank you all for your input/advice. I'm glad I came here.
Have a safe and happy new year
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All I was trying to say is something is wrong with what you're doing,and not to use genetics as an excuse because you're made out of the same stuff as Myself,Arnold and Zane.and everyone else for that matter.Peace out!
 
I am one of the most helpful ,forgivng persons here ,all you have to do is send me a pm ,simple as that ,and i will tear the shirt off of my back trying to help you ,the choice is yours.
 
RADAR said:
I am one of the most helpful ,forgivng persons here ,all you have to do is send me a pm ,simple as that ,and i will tear the shirt off of my back trying to help you ,the choice is yours.
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That he is!
And he let you pick on his age all the time :D
 
RADAR said:
I am one of the most helpful ,forgivng persons here ,all you have to do is send me a pm ,simple as that ,and i will tear the shirt off of my back trying to help you ,the choice is yours.
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Listen to Radar. He is one of the most knowledgable people out there and will help everyone he can. He has been a huge help to me getting on track and will be able to get you where u want.
 
Cee Dub said:
Again, specifically said I was committed and dedicated to doing this the right way meaning, will make diet and training changes wherever needed......I thought based off what i've read that they were in check...if I was wrong, thats fine....Willing to change whatever is necessary.....

I'm confused about the above quoted comment.....

at any rate....thank you for your advice....I will look at where I can make changes in my training and diet based off the info in your response.
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In your first post, you stated.....

Been training naturally for roughly 3.5 years. Been working way to hard and sacrificed way to much to not have what I want to show for it....I have a smaller frame, noone in my family is defined, I feel genetics negatively impacts me. I have been changing my workouts roughly every month and have plateaud without seeing much overall gain since I started lifting years ago.
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If you have been training hard and eating right for the last 3.5 years, then you would SHOULD have quite a bit to show for your efforts. The fact of the matter is you say you dont.

So let me ask you this, if your diet and training is "in check" then why havent you seen better results? Ill give you a hint, its not genetics.
 
searay said:
you never did post what your workouts consist of. if you want to gain size then you need to squat on monday w/5-6 work sets of no less than 10-12 reps using a weight that puts you at failure on the 10-12 rep. .
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This is exactly what my training consists of.....to a T. every month, the intensity is raised along with a change in routine....but still, 6-7 work sets of 10-12 reps using weight that actually causes failure @ 8 reps. Nail on the head with that one....as for the rest of your advice, thank you alot. I appreciate it...I have made my choice as far as which way I am going to go and it does not involve anabolic steroids...I did some research on different more intense training programs along with a different diet than I am currently on which involves 1000 more calories.

Thanks Searay
 
Zyglamail said:
In your first post, you stated.....



If you have been training hard and eating right for the last 3.5 years, then you would SHOULD have quite a bit to show for your efforts. The fact of the matter is you say you dont.

So let me ask you this, if your diet and training is "in check" then why havent you seen better results? Ill give you a hint, its not genetics.
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I'm not sure, but for my size, my diet and training program (even though they may not have been up to par according to everyone here)....they should have given me more than I have now...again based off research, guys who are on training programs with diets around what I was on were seeing more gains and looked bigger then I did on the same amount of total training time. to answer your question..... I really dont know what it is....THAT is why I am here.... :) :) :)
 
Cee Dub said:
I'm not sure, but for my size, my diet and training program (even though they may not have been up to par according to everyone here)....they should have given me more than I have now...again based off research, guys who are on training programs with diets around what I was on were seeing more gains and looked bigger then I did on the same amount of total training time. to answer your question..... I really dont know what it is....THAT is why I am here.... :) :) :)
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When Zygote says it aint in your genetics, he means to tell you that you arent eating enough and or you arent training intensely.. Also, have you gotten your test levels checked?
 
Cee Dub said:
I'm not sure, but for my size, my diet and training program (even though they may not have been up to par according to everyone here)....they should have given me more than I have now...again based off research, guys who are on training programs with diets around what I was on were seeing more gains and looked bigger then I did on the same amount of total training time. to answer your question..... I really dont know what it is....THAT is why I am here.... :) :) :)
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Genetics really just means the difference between being able to get by with a mediocre plan and having to really dial a plan in.

Comparing your training and diet to others is a bad plan. You need to dial in your diet to you. One of the biggest mistakes many people fairly new to the iron game make is they always think more work is better but its not, you need to work smarter, eat smarter and rest smarter.

PM Radar as he suggested above, he will get you on track.
 
Changing workout routines every month is probably more detrimental for your progress, and (correct me if I'm wrong) it sounds like you're focused mostly on isolated movements if you can change them up so often. Have you tried exclusive bulking/cutting cycles? Trying to gain lean mass while cutting fat can be excruciatingly tedious, and possibly even discouraging because it's difficult to gauge progress when visually it will take awhile.

I say stick to heavy squats/deadlifts/bench. They'll do wonders for your natural test levels at 25. But it seems you're pretty adamant on sticking with oral AAS, so make sure you at least throw in some creatine ED (10 - 15mg) while on gear. It has very good synergy with Oxandrolone.
 
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