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Anavar liver damage, can anyone put it in prespective

SlavikHavik

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One cycle of 40 mg's for 8 weeks

how much liver damage are we talking about, assuming its a once in a life time thing.

could it be compared to taking asprin or drinking regularly. is it permanent?
 
SlavikHavik said:
One cycle of 40 mg's for 8 weeks

how much liver damage are we talking about, assuming its a once in a life time thing.

could it be compared to taking asprin or drinking regularly. is it permanent?


There is really no way to tell. The best way to determine this for yourself is to blood test for hepatic functions before, during and after a cycle. If you have good insurance, it should not be an issue. Some people can abuse their livers for years with no ill effects and others do one thing and go into liver failure. It is highly individual.
 
thats right... But I can tell you that anavar is not going to be asnear as hard on the liver as winny,drol,dbol. I am taking a shot in the dark here but I would say taking 40mg var would be simmilar to several beers a day?!

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Last var cycle I did was 40mg's for 9 weeks blood work was all normal and I got tested for everything.
 
youll be ok. i did a 12 week cycle at 60mg/ed and i was fine.
 
the more I read about var the more I want to run a cycle of it. Only thing holding me back is my work schedule
 
concordsize said:
thats right... But I can tell you that anavar is not going to be asnear as hard on the liver as winny,drol,dbol. I am taking a shot in the dark here but I would say taking 40mg var would be simmilar to several beers a day?!

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What's the difference between 40mg of var and 40mg of Dboll on the liver? They are both 17aa. I don't think there is a difference in toxicity. Your hdl levels will be alot worse on Var. Also does anyone know how medication like Tylenol and other pain killers and even most prescription drugs claim to be effective for 8 or 12 hours or so and survive liver breakdown? They also must be altered to survive...
 
chordz said:
What's the difference between 40mg of var and 40mg of Dboll on the liver? They are both 17aa. I don't think there is a difference in toxicity. Your hdl levels will be alot worse on Var. Also does anyone know how medication like Tylenol and other pain killers and even most prescription drugs claim to be effective for 8 or 12 hours or so and survive liver breakdown? They also must be altered to survive...
but if you look at the placement of the 17AA group on the molecule of anavar it is different, actually ever oral is structually different. It is hypothesized by others that that is what makes anavar more mild on the liver than others. I think some medications that say they are long acting are just built with fillers that make them breakdown slower. because it is the same active ingredient in both kinds.
 
Actually dont quote me on this but when Huck was a mod on this board he posted a study where people whom had liver problems from a certain disease were actually being treated with low dose anavar.

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chordz said:
What's the difference between 40mg of var and 40mg of Dboll on the liver? They are both 17aa. I don't think there is a difference in toxicity. ...

very wrong theres a huge difference..
 
concordsize said:
Actually dont quote me on this but when Huck was a mod on this board he posted a study where people whom had liver problems from a certain disease were actually being treated with low dose anavar.

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correct
 
Oiltanker said:

They were recovering alchoholics I believe -- and they needed something to preserve their muscle that was wasting away.

Nonetheless it shows how gentle var is.
 
concordsize said:
Actually dont quote me on this but when Huck was a mod on this board he posted a study where people whom had liver problems from a certain disease were actually being treated with low dose anavar.

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Isn't huck still a mod on this board???? :worried:

I hope so, he is really a stand up guy.
 
Oiltanker said:
very wrong theres a huge difference..

Please continue and explain a little further. Please show some proof of the huge difference you speak of.
 
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chordz said:
Please continue and explain a little further. Please show some proof of the huge difference you speak of.

There are many many studies. Im gonna go try and dig one up.

Juice Authority, I could use your help here, I think you've posted one before.
 
wootoom said:
fuck work just get big. you dont need work. LOL. j/k

I wish I could. I want to get back on so bad but if I cant devote myself to training its pointless to do it. I just have to listen to everyone elses success stories, hear them brag about how good they feel, and worst of all see the pics to prove it.
 
VAR is primarily metabolized by the kidneys which is unusual for a steroid. Heptic problems are very rare with this drug.
 
I have been told by medics that the liver is fantastic at regenerating itself. I hammered my liver with alcohol and several paracetamol ODs a while back. Was scared about my liver so had some work done.They noticed acute damage which was reparable as long as I moderated the booze and stopped the ODs.
 
view said:
There are many many studies. Im gonna go try and dig one up.

Juice Authority, I could use your help here, I think you've posted one before.

It would be interesting to see how different 17aa's affect the liver. I have always read that var was not toxic due to the "low dose" but that isn't the case anymore.
 
chordz said:
It would be interesting to see how different 17aa's affect the liver. I have always read that var was not toxic due to the "low dose" but that isn't the case anymore.

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Unlike other anabolic steroids, such as testosterone, oxandrolone is minimally metabolized by the liver, thereby avoiding most drug interactions and the liver toxicity often seen with other steroids. Even people whose livers where badly damaged by alcohol, and therefore were unable to take many drugs, did well on oxandrolone.

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Anavar is also a 17alpha alkylated oral steroid, carrying an alteration that is noted for putting stress on the liver. It is importarnt to point out however that to spite this alteration oxandrolone is generally very well tolerated, While liver enzyme tests will occasionally show elevated values, actual damage due to this steroid is not a statistical problem.


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Unlike other orally administered C17alpha-alkylated AASs, the novel chemical configuration of oxandrolone confers a resistance to liver metabolism as well as marked anabolic activity. In addition, oxandrolone appears not to exhibit the serious hepatotoxic effects (jaundice, cholestatic hepatitis, peliosis hepatis, hyperplasias and neoplasms) attributed to the C17alpha-alkylated AASs.

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Of 43 patients originally recruited, 39 (19 men, 20 women) with typical clinical and laboratory features of alcoholic hepatitis (11 Child's-Pugh class B; 28 class C) were admitted to a metabolic unit and completed a 35-day three-phase protocol...during which routine and special quantitative tests of liver function (galactose and antipyrine metabolism)...oxandrolone (20 mg orally four times a day) plus standard therapy...during which special studies of liver functions and volumes and leucine metabolism were repeated...Overall, with time, patients showed highly significant improvements in most clinical and laboratory features. For most standard laboratory tests (e.g., serum albumin, transferrin, prothrombin time) improvements were more marked in patients treated with nutritional supplementation and/or oxandrolone than in those given standard therapy alone. Liver volumes fell in all treatment groups, with greater improvement in those treated with nutritional supplementation....We conclude that the addition of nutritional supplementation and oxandrolone to standard therapy of moderately severe or severe alcoholic hepatitis is well tolerated, and leads to more rapid improvement in the laboratory parameters measured.
 
Pharmaceutical Name: Oxandrolone (OXA)
Chemical Structure: 5 alpha-androstan-2-oxa-17 alpha-methyl-17 beta-ol-3-one
Effective Dose: 20-40 mg/day for men, 10-15 mg/day for women


An intrinsically weak steroid with a high price-tag and low availability, oxandrolone owes its large popularity due to its safety. In sharp contrast to oxymetholone, oxandrolone is quite generally considered to be the safest of all steroids. Its effects are more than well-documented and have been for a few decades now. The medical community values oxandrolone as a safe alternative for more harmful steroids, which is why it is considered safe for use in children and even in patients suffering hepa-toxicity as the result of alternate steroid use1.

It's most noted medical use has been in the expediting of wound healing2,3 often practically applied to the treatment of burns 4,5,6. But recently its gaining popularity again as a means of keeping weight on HIV-infected patients suffering from wasting due to the immuno-deficiency virus. It was also considered safe for use in prepubescent children with a growth delay7. No major harmful effects were noted from this particular therapy, eventhough one study8 reported that the use of oxandrolone did speed up the onset of puberty in these children. Furthermore oxandrolone has found frequent applications in the treatment of other wasting symptoms for hepatitis and cancer as well as the treatment of osteoporosis in both men and women of all ages.

Oxandrolone was introduced in the year 1964, when Searle came out with the original Anavar. It quickly became the popular drug in the sports crowd for people looking for a safer alternative to the major steroid at the time, Dianabol (methandrostenolone). It remained one of the best-sellers for well over 2 decades until it was indefinitely discontinued in the year 1989. Much to the regret of the recreational bodybuilding and powerlifting community. The prices have remained high for the little stock that remained available. The only brand readily found was oxandrolone SPA, manufactured in Milano, Italy. That is, until 1995 when its use in the treatment of the then vastly spreading immuno-deficiency disease AIDS9 sparked the interest of BTG, a US-based company who came out with Oxandrin. The first widely available oxandrolone product since Anavar production was stopped.

The main reasons for the wide-spread use of oxandrolone in sports is because it is very appealing to female athletes as well as male athletes. It causes little or no virilization properties, demonstrated by its medical uses to treat women. This is rather surprising since oxandrolone does not aromatize either. It's the only steroid that is both safe and convenient without producing excess estrogen. That makes it particularly useful when cutting up for a contest or preventing an increase in body-fat due to estrogenic effects. In fact the main use of oxandrolone to a bodybuilder is in the maintenance of lean mass while reducing body-fat. Oxandrolone itself may not actually reduce body-fat, but it too plays a key role in the process. Like most non-aromatizing compounds it has a repressing effect on the appetite making it easier for the user to control cravings and stay strict with his diet.

Oxandrolone also has little effect on the body's own natural hormone production. The negative feedback was found to be very minor, meaning that during short term use no suppression of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH, start of natural testosterone production) was noted. This meant that whatever gains made, as little as they may have been, were very easily maintained post-cycle. So there was also no use for products like Clomid or Nolvadex in conjunction with oxandrolone consumption. The easy to maintain low gains would indicate a low binding to the androgen receptor. While not extremely high, it should actually be noted that it does have quite decent binding to the androgen receptor. But the reason for its mild effects is quite likely the low dose used. Rarely if ever are doses higher than 20 mg used on a daily basis. Either because of convenience or due to the high price. But comparing that the doses of other steroids this is remarkably low. So its only logical the gains and side-effects aren't particularly notable.

Of course a bodybuilder has limited use for a compound that is both a weak androgen in the doses mostly used and doesn't aromatize since no mentionable effect on mass can be produced to satisfy the chemically enhanced athlete. Therefor it is best noted that oxandrolone is most popular with power- and weightlifters to enhance strength without increasing bodyweight. This is valued highly since strength athletes often compete in weight-classes. Oxandrolone does not increase strength through androgenic stimulation, at least not primarily. It stimulates the formation of phosphocreatine, a body compound that can replenish ATP (adenosine tri-phosphate) , the main energy currency of the living organism. This gives an incredible increase in short term anaerobic performance, the type needed for explosive action such as sprinting and lifting weight.

For bodybuilders the best results are seen when stacking oxandrolone with a highly androgenic compound. Either during a mass stack with aromatizable products to boost strength a little more, or in conjunction with a non-estrogenic compound. This is most beneficial since it can maintain lean mass, decrease appetite, improve sharpness of the muscle and keep strength levels up without giving increased androgenic risk (acne, prostate hypertrophy, hair loss) when stacked with pure androgens (stanozolol, drostanolone). For those looking for safe maintenance of muscle mass a stack of Anavar with Primobolan is not a bad investment (but a big investment). The common use of oxandrolone is estimated, at 0.125 mg per pound of bodyweight. For men it should be closer to 0.2 mg per pound, for women 0.08 mg per pound per day.

The downsides to oxandrolone are minor. The worst problem by far is the poor availability and high price. But it has to be noted that, eventhough oxandrolone is nowhere near Halotestin or anadrol in hepa-toxicity, it too is a 17-alpha-alkylated substance that can cause liver damage if used for long periods on end. Other common side-effects include headaches, loss of libido, diarrhea and dizziness.

The conclusion to follow these paragraphs is of course that oxandrolone is understandably still a popular and very versatile steroid, much desired by both experienced athletes and novice users because of its many properties. While few will say this is the best or their favorite steroid, you won't find many that will have anything negative to say about it either.



Because of its mild nature and the low doses generally used with oxandrolone there is very little use for secondary compounds like anti-aromatase drugs, estrogen receptor antagonists or blood pressure medication. That in itself may somewhat make up for the high cost and little gains made on it.

In stacks Anavar is sometimes used to increase strength or help maintain it during mass phases. Oxandrolone obviously has very little to add in terms of mass compared to the other substances used to obtain such goals. It fades in comparison to test, Deca, Anadrol, D-bol and such. Nonetheless it is added quite often, perhaps because people assume it will make the overall stack less hazardous, but that's a myth of course. Frankly I would imagine there are better and cheaper things to waste your money on if mass is what you seek.

On a cutting phase oxandrolone makes a good match for 120-140 mcg of clenbuterol daily stacked with something in the nature of Halotestin or Winstrol. The combination improves muscle hardness and striation as well as support mass and strength retention. Experienced users would preferably add testosterone propionate or Equipoise no doubt, rather than Halotestin or Winstrol due to less hazard to the liver associated with those two drugs, especially Halotestin. Mostly it is used for decent strength gains without gaining too much weight, particularly suited for weight- and powerlifters and martial artists. In that aspect, and in my humble opinion, Winstrol would be a good choice for a stack. 50 mg of Winstrol every day to every other day stacked with 30-40 mg of oxandrolone daily would give a very good result in overall strength enhancement without adding a mentionable amount of weight to the frame.
 
concordsize said:
Actually dont quote me on this but when Huck was a mod on this board he posted a study where people whom had liver problems from a certain disease were actually being treated with low dose anavar.

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that is correct!!!!if you do a search on btg oxandrin go to the official site. there you will find all the reasons oxandrin is given. one (i believe, but dont quote me) was for pepole with extensiv liver damage!
 
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