Anabolics by William Llewellyn

[petter26]

Hi all,

Longtime lurker planning first cycle. I was reading this excellent book, and noticed that the reccommended cycles in the book are much milder than the ones recommended on the internet forums.

My question is:

Would you recommend the proposed cycles in the book as being effective, especially for novice users?

Any comments are appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

Hi all,

Longtime lurker planning first cycle. I was reading this excellent book, and noticed that the reccommended cycles in the book are much milder than the ones recommended on the internet forums.

My question is:

Would you recommend the proposed cycles in the book as being effective, especially for novice users?

Any comments are appreciated.

Thank you.

That's a very vague question: which cycle? what are your stats? etc.

WL is a smart guy with a good research team, but I do disagree with him on a few theories (and cycles for that matter).

 

[petter26]

Hi Wolfpack.

I am 38, 5ft 10, 200lbs...pretty solid frame...described as muscly by some.

Several years of off and on training since my teens. Daily(almost) for the last right months. Muscle memory is amazing as o got my size back in very short time.

I was planning on running test only, as orals seem unnecessary. Was looking at his 7 week cycle of avg. 400mgs weekly.

Any thoughts?

 

[petter26]

That was eight months....my phones auto correct sucks.

He says 1 weekly pin of test 250...is 4 to 6 times what your body can produce on its own naturally....if that is correct then is anything over 400 mgs of test weekly seems a waste??? Being a novice of course....

 

[Jigga14]

I think it affects everyone differently. Someone who is 150 lbs should obviously take less than someone who is 300 lbs (lean). Keep reading up on this site, you will learn a lot!

 

[petter26]

Thanks jigga14,

Good point. But, is a 300lb man making THAT much more testosterone? I could hardly believe it would be double? Obviously more, but nuts are nuts right?

Anyway, back to the 200lb guy(me)? Is 250 to 400 a safe, mainly effective, weekly dose of test e?

 

[-SD-]

Week 1-10
Test E 400mg/wk

 

[petter26]

Thanks SD.

In the book he says to take tamoxifen, 10 to 20mg/ed while on cycle. As I read on here, that is discouraged?

So tamoxifen on cycle or no? He seems to think it necessary.

 

[-SD-]

Thanks SD.

In the book he says to take tamoxifen, 10 to 20mg/ed while on cycle. As I read on here, that is discouraged?

So tamoxifen on cycle or no? He seems to think it necessary.

may not be necessary, monitor your sides closely and add if necessary

 

[frankcastle29]

Must read book, thosr are "politically correct" cycles he talks about

Hi all,

Longtime lurker planning first cycle. I was reading this excellent book, and noticed that the reccommended cycles in the book are much milder than the ones recommended on the internet forums.

My question is:

Would you recommend the proposed cycles in the book as being effective, especially for novice users?

Any comments are appreciated.

Thank you.

 

[matter2003]

Thanks jigga14,

Good point. But, is a 300lb man making THAT much more testosterone? I could hardly believe it would be double? Obviously more, but nuts are nuts right?

Anyway, back to the 200lb guy(me)? Is 250 to 400 a safe, mainly effective, weekly dose of test e?

Doubt it, but all that fat is sure making a lot more estrogen creating a negative feedback loop as more SHBG is produced since its produced via response to estrogen levels, which is the body's hormonal marker. Since the way estrogen is normally produced is by converting testosterone into estrogen via aromatization, when you have a lot of estrogen your body thinks it has too much T and increases production of SHBG which renders T inactive...this then adds to the fat deposits which produce more estrogen and more SHBG...

 

[ceo]

400-500mg/week of test c or e for 10-12 weeks is a very common first cycle. I'd recommend that cycle. The 10mg of nolva a day should definitely keep gyno away. I've used that dose in the past on cycle and have not had gyno issues at all when doing it. The better option is to use an AI to prevent estrogen conversion in the first place, as all nolva does is block estrogen at certain receptor sites. I like Aromasin for this purpose. An effective Aromasin dose should be 12.5mg every other day or every day, as necessary.

To address something else you've asked, I am on TRT, and 200mg/week puts my levels anywhere from 800-1000ng/dl. Unfortunately, my doctor uses a reference range of around 250-830 ng/dl as the "normal." So when I'm about to go get blood drawn again, I take 175mg injection instead of 200mg. Usually end up at the high end around 650-800ng/dl.

 

[petter26]

Matter2003 and CEO, thank you for those informative posts.

 

[joeblow12345]

Thanks jigga14,

Good point. But, is a 300lb man making THAT much more testosterone? I could hardly believe it would be double? Obviously more, but nuts are nuts right?

Anyway, back to the 200lb guy(me)? Is 250 to 400 a safe, mainly effective, weekly dose of test e?

Bro you can run 250 mg test week from now until the day you die and be absolutely fine. Its highly effective and way better then what your body could achieve on its own. So a test cycle is a good choice. Now I wouldn't bother running it only 10 weeks. Only thing I'd run 10 weeks is short esters or orals. Long esters are called that for a reason, so run them long. Min is 12 weeks I'd run it. On that low of a dose nolva isn't necessary. The estrogen increase should be minimal so maybe once a week take a little adex.

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