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Americans abandoning low carbs diets
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When the low carb craze began to set in on a wide scale I was very saddened for the reason that I personally feel that a diet that is low in refined carbohydrates and emphasizes lean proteins and fats is really the optimal way of eating. We evolved on the meat and fish we hunted, the leafy greens we found, the berries and nuts we picked and that was about it. It is no wonder that nearly all of us find that we are lean and ripped when we do not eat the products of man such as white breads and pastries, soda, hydrogenated fats, etc.
So when low carb became so widely publicized it worried me because anytime anything becomes too popular too quickly with too wide a group of diverse people, there are bound to be obscurities and unfavorable accounts and then the entire approach is criticized as being poor or ineffective. Look what happened to ephedra? A couple of knuckleheads approached the "if one pill is good then 20 should be even better" approach and had "suprising" ill effects and died. I could die from Cough medicine if I took too much of that. You see my point.
The current approaches such as Atkins and South Beach, etc. are for people who are already far from an optimal body and therefore these diets need to be extreme, extreme meaning very low carbohyrdate. Extreme don't ever fair well with such a large group of people and especially among the critics who love to jump on bandwagons and criticise extreme approaches.
Bottom line is that finally the American public got close to the truth but because they are so horribly conditioned to consuming the shit products of man they do not follow the approaches properly and then blame it on the diet rather than themselves. Someone has to take the blame and god forbid that any of us ever take the blame.. "it's genetics, its not my fault, I never knew MacDonalds was bad for me.." that kind of shit makes me nuts.
Anyhow the biggest problem is not so much what diet to use but rather the lack of informed persons. The theory or rather the evidence behind reduced carbohyrdate diets is sound in that when one lowers the severe insulin production and circulation lipolysis can occur and thus resulting in fat loss. This is no mystery, we already knew this. However, telling someone how to loss weight and explaining why they lose weight are too different things. Those who are truly informed or rather cared enough to discover why the way they eat actually works will continue to live a lifestyle emphasizing meats, veggies, fruit and nuts. But people must realize that anything worth doing is never going to be easy and for many people manufactured foods are like drugs which they are addicted too...
But as anthrax said,
What's next?
Maybe the best diet ever will come along "The Information Diet" where you can "eat" as much as you want. Only then will people be able to manipulate their bodies and lives the way they want and get the results they seek.
Alex
So when low carb became so widely publicized it worried me because anytime anything becomes too popular too quickly with too wide a group of diverse people, there are bound to be obscurities and unfavorable accounts and then the entire approach is criticized as being poor or ineffective. Look what happened to ephedra? A couple of knuckleheads approached the "if one pill is good then 20 should be even better" approach and had "suprising" ill effects and died. I could die from Cough medicine if I took too much of that. You see my point.
The current approaches such as Atkins and South Beach, etc. are for people who are already far from an optimal body and therefore these diets need to be extreme, extreme meaning very low carbohyrdate. Extreme don't ever fair well with such a large group of people and especially among the critics who love to jump on bandwagons and criticise extreme approaches.
Bottom line is that finally the American public got close to the truth but because they are so horribly conditioned to consuming the shit products of man they do not follow the approaches properly and then blame it on the diet rather than themselves. Someone has to take the blame and god forbid that any of us ever take the blame.. "it's genetics, its not my fault, I never knew MacDonalds was bad for me.." that kind of shit makes me nuts.
Anyhow the biggest problem is not so much what diet to use but rather the lack of informed persons. The theory or rather the evidence behind reduced carbohyrdate diets is sound in that when one lowers the severe insulin production and circulation lipolysis can occur and thus resulting in fat loss. This is no mystery, we already knew this. However, telling someone how to loss weight and explaining why they lose weight are too different things. Those who are truly informed or rather cared enough to discover why the way they eat actually works will continue to live a lifestyle emphasizing meats, veggies, fruit and nuts. But people must realize that anything worth doing is never going to be easy and for many people manufactured foods are like drugs which they are addicted too...
But as anthrax said,
What's next?
Maybe the best diet ever will come along "The Information Diet" where you can "eat" as much as you want. Only then will people be able to manipulate their bodies and lives the way they want and get the results they seek.
Alex
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My motto is, "As long as I know what I am doing, I could give a shit less what others are doing for their physiques. If they don't care about themselves, why should I?"
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~sc~: I happen to agree that one's own physique goals should be one's primary concern. I am the biggest egotist around and what I do and what happens to me is always my primary concern. However, I have also realized that whether I like it or not, I must interact with the rest of the world. I can only imagine what interactions in all facets of life, business, social, familial, etc. could be like if others adopted a lifestyle conducive to a healthy mind and body. It gives people a sense of discpline, self-pride and self-esteem, a purpose, initiative and on a physiological levels allows one to function most efficiently. As I mentioned, my primary concern is me, but in realizing that I must also realize that if I want the results and outcomes I want in situations when I must interact with others I would want only the best.. Anytime I do anything with anyone these days it is always half-assed because there is lack of pride in one's work. So, I do care a bit about how others carry themselves, because I really fear that as a people we are decomposing day by day and while this does not effect me on an individual level, I still have to deal with others every single day. So I ask, could you imagine how the world, or even our country would function if more people were living a healthful(healthful on our standards, not those set forth by the so-called "experts") lifestyle and trained hard. To me training is so much more than lifting heavy objects. It has allowed me to flourish in so many ways in even the most indirect ways. It forced me to learn how to become a competent cook, to be fully self-sufficient, to discipline myself. In addition, I am a firm believer in self-education and therefore I have also become very well versed in the sciences that try to explain what we do.(Biology,chemistry,biochem,endocrinology,even physics)
I am 17 years old so my lifestyle has been integral to my development as a person over the years and I realize the tremendous impact training, healthful eating and self education can have on a person. I am sure you have realized this too through your clientele who most likely are changed forever somehow after working with you. So while you're right, my first and foremost concern is myself, in concerning myself and the world I live in, I assume a concern for others.
Train Hard,
Alex
I am 17 years old so my lifestyle has been integral to my development as a person over the years and I realize the tremendous impact training, healthful eating and self education can have on a person. I am sure you have realized this too through your clientele who most likely are changed forever somehow after working with you. So while you're right, my first and foremost concern is myself, in concerning myself and the world I live in, I assume a concern for others.
Train Hard,
Alex
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very mature 17,well done AlexBigbear said:
this country needs more teenagers like you
4everhung, thanks man. Everything I write or say is always sincere and I truly want and mean it. I really don't see good things happening in our immediate future. I know one person cannot change everything but I have a lot of ideas and am very ambitious. I love the sciences, I love the application of them and I love myself (Anyone who sees this last point as arrogance is missing what love I am talking about). I really want to make a significant impact on the world before my time is up and I feel that before we can solve any other issue plaguing society we must atleast fix ourselves first, fixing meaning be in sufficient physical condition to function. I am currently testing a cancer treatment hypothesis that is very simple in its premises yet can be so effective. We'll see how it turns out by this fall. Also I am in the NPC Teen Nationals this weekend so that is pretty big too, I'll keep everyone posted.
Allon: You're entitled to how you feel about low-carb diets, but if you could explain just exactly you're "really against" it would help understand why some people are so opposed. I don't think that any of the low-carb diets are all good but then again no "diet" ever is. However I do feel that on a physiological level its premises are sound and are in concurrence with what we know about the body's reaction to different macronutrients. You even said yourself you agree that reducing carbs and reducing refined carbs is advisable.. so how is that not "low carb"? When you take out refined products such as white breads, baked goods, sodas, chips, etc. you can only eat so many carbohyrdate sources. That leaves you with veggies and fruits really,and I absolutely think that these foods are integral and should be eaten for their health benefits. I think there is a large misconception that low-carb means no carbohyrdate sources at all. This is wrong, both the misconception and the action. This is what I meant by extremes. If one macronutrient were unnecessary for humans or any organism it wouldn't exist. You can't eliminate an entire macro group. Each one has a place and time, like post-workout for example. Low-carb diets are an attempt to over-simplify a good idea for an American public. Oversimplification may be the problem in that the authors felt it would be easier to say no or very few carbs instead of accomodating to the millions of people individually who all can tolerate different amounts and need different sources at different times.
This is why I stress SELF-EDUCATION. The premise is good, but we all need to tailor our diets to our own bodies. For the most part, eating "low-carb" meaning meats, veggies, fruits, nuts, etc. is ideal and will help many maintain or achieve a body goal. As bodybuilders we know that carbohydrates have a time and place and by varying the amount we can either induce hypertrophy or lipolysis. The word "low" is relative to who is thinking or speaking. Low to me may be 50 grams while to others it may 100 g. So if you could tell me what you are really against it would help me understand why others are also against it, because like I said, its premises are sound just the oversimplification of it makes it less than ideal.
Alex
Allon: You're entitled to how you feel about low-carb diets, but if you could explain just exactly you're "really against" it would help understand why some people are so opposed. I don't think that any of the low-carb diets are all good but then again no "diet" ever is. However I do feel that on a physiological level its premises are sound and are in concurrence with what we know about the body's reaction to different macronutrients. You even said yourself you agree that reducing carbs and reducing refined carbs is advisable.. so how is that not "low carb"? When you take out refined products such as white breads, baked goods, sodas, chips, etc. you can only eat so many carbohyrdate sources. That leaves you with veggies and fruits really,and I absolutely think that these foods are integral and should be eaten for their health benefits. I think there is a large misconception that low-carb means no carbohyrdate sources at all. This is wrong, both the misconception and the action. This is what I meant by extremes. If one macronutrient were unnecessary for humans or any organism it wouldn't exist. You can't eliminate an entire macro group. Each one has a place and time, like post-workout for example. Low-carb diets are an attempt to over-simplify a good idea for an American public. Oversimplification may be the problem in that the authors felt it would be easier to say no or very few carbs instead of accomodating to the millions of people individually who all can tolerate different amounts and need different sources at different times.
This is why I stress SELF-EDUCATION. The premise is good, but we all need to tailor our diets to our own bodies. For the most part, eating "low-carb" meaning meats, veggies, fruits, nuts, etc. is ideal and will help many maintain or achieve a body goal. As bodybuilders we know that carbohydrates have a time and place and by varying the amount we can either induce hypertrophy or lipolysis. The word "low" is relative to who is thinking or speaking. Low to me may be 50 grams while to others it may 100 g. So if you could tell me what you are really against it would help me understand why others are also against it, because like I said, its premises are sound just the oversimplification of it makes it less than ideal.
Alex
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