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Agree with this statement about Black people?

rudeboyja

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This is from the book Freakonomics that I'm reading. It analyzes how things you don't think about effect the economy.

Do you think some black parents doom their children's financial/business future by giving them "black" names. Would you have a problem hiring a qualified person named DeJaun or Lakisha as a VP of your company? I think it's a valid point.
 
wow, this is a shallow thread. the name doesnt make the person, the person makes the name
 
How is the thread shallow? He's bringing up a realistic point about the way society works today. I can't personally say I'd let a name stop me from hiring someone, but I definitely think there are people out there who even unconsciously might deduct points from a candidate for that sort of thing. Anything regarding finance and dealing with clients, you'll have clients who may or may not take an issue with the faceless Lakisha managing his assets. It happens.
 
bigmann245 said:
wow, this is a shallow thread. the name doesnt make the person, the person makes the name
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But is their truth to the statement? Not my point of view. Book was written by economist Steven Levitt & hit # 2 on the NY times.

Of course a name doesn't define a person, but do you limits your child,s potential by giving them a certain name?
 
nefertiti said:
How is the thread shallow? He's bringing up a realistic point about the way society works today. I can't personally say I'd let a name stop me from hiring someone, but I definitely think there are people out there who even unconsciously might deduct points from a candidate for that sort of thing. Anything regarding finance and dealing with clients, you'll have clients who may or may not take an issue with the faceless Lakisha managing his assets. It happens.
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i understand and it works both ways, but to personally think that way is shallow.
 
bigmann245 said:
i understand and it works both ways, but to personally think that way is shallow.
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Yes it's shallow, but don't you think as a parent you have the responsibility to consider that when naming your child?
 
rudeboyja said:
Yes it's shallow, but don't you think as a parent you have the responsibility to consider that when naming your child?
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I think a white employer will (and im generalizing) take better to an anglicized name.

Humans instinctively perceive differences as threats.

However, it won't matter where there are good grades and equal opportunties legislation.
 
no. and you don't even wanna know the names of some of the guys/gals i went to school with or met in my lifetime.... ok, maybe you do: Daiquiri, Lemonjello, Orangejello, Dijon, LaTeva, etc.
 
It's living in the ghetto that dooms the future, not giving them that name. And lets be honest.. how many you know with those names that DON'T live in the ghetto?

Sort of like the parents that buy their son a gold tooth cap for his 13th birthday because now he is the "Lil Man"
 
HumanTarget said:
no. and you don't even wanna know the names of some of the guys/gals i went to school with or met in my lifetime.... ok, maybe you do: Daiquiri, Lemonjello, Orangejello, Dijon, LaTeva, etc.
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What is with the Lemonjello and Orangejello bit? I knew two brothers with those names when I was younger and I always wanted to ask their parents wtf they were thinking naming their kids after jello.
 
nefertiti said:
What is with the Lemonjello and Orangejello bit? I knew two brothers with those names when I was younger and I always wanted to ask their parents wtf they were thinking naming their kids after jello.
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Or-Ron-Juh-Lo & Luh-mon-juh-lo. wib.
 
Well, I know it's pronounced like that.

But on paper it looks like Lemon Jello and Orange Jello. Come on, now.
 
It all depends on the type of industry that child will ultimately end up in.

I can tell you that right or wrong there is NO WAY that a child w/a name like that could survive in say, the oil and gas industry.

My sister was heavily criticized by her in-laws for naming her children with non-anglo names. She and my brother-in-law gave their children very old Hungarian names that have no English translation. Will that limit them? I don't believe so. My nephews and niece are PROUD of their Hungarian heritage so in turn, they are already accepting of people with non-mainstream anglo names. Had I balls in my first marriage, I would have done the same.

But then again, there are always ways around it. As a child grows to adulthood, if they feel that they are limited by their first name, then they can always change it. There are MANY immigrants who did just that.
 
BIKINIMOM said:
It all depends on the type of industry that child will ultimately end up in.

I can tell you that right or wrong there is NO WAY that a child w/a name like that could survive in say, the oil and gas industry.

My sister was heavily criticized by her in-laws for naming her children with non-anglo names. She and my brother-in-law gave their children very old Hungarian names that have no English translation. Will that limit them? I don't believe so. My nephews and niece are PROUD of their Hungarian heritage so in turn, they are already accepting of people with non-mainstream anglo names. Had I balls in my first marriage, I would have done the same.

But then again, there are always ways around it. As a child grows to adulthood, if they feel that they are limited by their first name, then they can always change it. There are MANY immigrants who did just that.
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thats why we invented nick names....
 
nefertiti said:
Well, I know it's pronounced like that.

But on paper it looks like Lemon Jello and Orange Jello. Come on, now.
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and you're not the first Nefertiti i've met....
 
HumanTarget said:
and you're not the first Nefertiti i've met....
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You actually met someone named Nefertiti? Well that's not SO bad, being named for an egyptian queen so renouned for her beauty that the name, in fact, roughly translates to "the perfect woman has come."
 
bigmann245 said:
wow, this is a shallow thread. the name doesnt make the person, the person makes the name
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not according to freakenomics
you should read it, good stuff...not pc though
 
The littlest details are what sometimes seem to be the thing that impacts a person the most when it comes to being hired. I've heard some very crazy reasons as to why a person wasn't hired... not by the person but by the employer.

From being a specific gender, to names, to the preference of music... I shit you not.
 
Frisky said:
The littlest details are what sometimes seem to be the thing that impacts a person the most when it comes to being hired. I've heard some very crazy reasons as to why a person wasn't hired... not by the person but by the employer.

From being a specific gender, to names, to the preference of music... I shit you not.
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sad but true
 
bigmann245 said:
sad but true
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check this out bro...in this book the author talked about a girl who was named Temptress...and guess what, she was in trouble for prositution.

just like naming your kid dujuan might hinder, naming a good name might help...the trends in naming are pretty interesting
 
If you're racist , yes

The persons name has nothing to do with their character or work history , so the person's name should be irrrelevant

rudeboyja said:
This is from the book Freakonomics that I'm reading. It analyzes how things you don't think about effect the economy.

Do you think some black parents doom their children's financial/business future by giving them "black" names. Would you have a problem hiring a qualified person named DeJaun or Lakisha as a VP of your company? I think it's a valid point.
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Gambino said:
check this out bro...in this book the author talked about a girl who was named Temptress...and guess what, she was in trouble for prositution.

just like naming your kid dujuan might hinder, naming a good name might help...the trends in naming are pretty interesting
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its really a weird thing... if you think about certain names and can associate them with certain behaviors... its pretty much accurate.

I am so glad I didn't name my daughter brittany or brianna like I had planned. LOL... every brittany and brianna I now know as a child are hateful little shizzles... LOL
 
gjohnson5 said:
If you're racist , yes

The persons name has nothing to do with their character or work history , so the person's name should be irrrelevant
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100% true.
My most successful investors will not even look at an investment property. They only look at the numbers. That is how they decide to buy. It takes the emotion out.
Highering someone would be the same thing. You look at what they have done and apply it to what they can do for you and your company.
 
gjohnson5 said:
If you're racist , yes

The persons name has nothing to do with their character or work history , so the person's name should be irrrelevant
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so the reason that peeps with afro-centric names typically are not ceos is racism?
or could it be that peeps with afro names typically lack the credientials to get those positions?
 
Gambino said:
not according to freakenomics
you should read it, good stuff...not pc though
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Definitely not PC. how about the crime rate abortion correlation (bet I just opened up a new can of worms)...
 
rudeboyja said:
Definitely not PC. how about the crime rate abortion correlation (bet I just opened up a new can of worms)...
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what i liked about the book is that the author was open to new ideas, he didn't hold his facts as set in stone...they are constantly changing
 
in a perfect world, yes, this would be true.



but we don't live at fantasyland at wally world, do we?





would you vote for president for someone with a name of jawana jackson?
 
gjohnson5 said:
A person's name has nothing to do with their qualifications , period end of story.
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the facts would lead me to believe other wise
 
I have read this book ; are you talking about Freakonomics??

Take the book with a grain of salt.

I know that this point happens to be valid but there were sections of the book that I AMOST took offense. I had to give him the benefit of the doubt. He assumes parents raise their kids the way he did.

Did you read the section on abortions and its effect on the crime of that state??? Interesting stuff.
 
gjohnson5 said:
A person's name has nothing to do with their qualifications , period end of story.
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nor does color, religion or gender, but it's reality and it happens all the time.
 
blueta2 said:
nor does color, religion or gender, but it's reality and it happens all the time.
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i mean how would you ever know if you got passed up for a job because of discrimination? yes it happens all the time and is sad.
 
bigmann245 said:
i understand and it works both ways, but to personally think that way is shallow.
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unfortunately, many people ARE that shallow. . .clothing and haircut don't "make the man" either. . .walk into a fortune 50 company for an interview sometime with a hoodie and a mohawk. . .they won't even hire you to sweep the floor. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
unfortunately, many people ARE that shallow. . .clothing and haircut don't "make the man" either. . .walk into a fortune 50 company for an interview sometime with a hoodie and a mohawk. . .they won't even hire you to sweep the floor. . .
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yep
names mean a lot...notice how not too many peeps name their kids adolf or ponitus
 
bigmann245 said:
i mean how would you ever know if you got passed up for a job because of discrimination? yes it happens all the time and is sad.
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you would never know. My plant manager used to sit with me after he interviews ppl. He would not hire blacks, women within child bearing years, women with kids or ppl who just were not "french and white enough"
It's all about the preference of the person hireing.
Personally, I would hire anyone qualified, I could care less about color, race or gender.
Now having said that, when I rent my apartments, I do discriminate.
 
cindylou said:
I have read this book ; are you talking about Freakonomics??

Take the book with a grain of salt.

I know that this point happens to be valid but there were sections of the book that I AMOST took offense. I had to give him the benefit of the doubt. He assumes parents raise their kids the way he did.

Did you read the section on abortions and its effect on the crime of that state??? Interesting stuff.
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yeah most stuff we read we need to take with a grain of salt, like newspapers, time magazine etc... Some of it makes for interesting debate though, and it's entertaining.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Your facts are all fucked up....

Show me one fact that states that ones credentials can be measured by their name
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show me a fortune 500 company with a ceo that has a afro-centric name
show me someon who has the name adolf
 
Yeah , this is what I like about these race threads....
People who are quick to accept a fucked up status quo as reality and sweep it under the rug and at the same time call all supposed "minority leaders" as racist, due to attempts to try and change this status quo...



blueta2 said:
nor does color, religion or gender, but it's reality and it happens all the time.
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gjohnson5 said:
Your facts are all fucked up....

Show me one fact that states that ones credentials can be measured by their name
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Read the book the thread starter is talking about.

Its very interesting ; but like I said ; have an open mind and try not to get offended. There is more than one section of the book that could possibly be offensive; for example this statisitc:

States that allow abortion have less crime. why? Because people who want their children raise them better. Offensive? Probably. LOL. Truth????

Same with names. Do people discriminate based on names? Does your names have an influence on who you are? Take example the man who named his sons Loser and Winner. Offensive? Yes. Truth??????
 
Gambino said:
show me a fortune 500 company with a ceo that has a afro-centric name
show me someon who has the name adolf
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The CEO of my co is named Adolf, but he owns the co ;-)
 
gjohnson5 said:
Yeah , this is what I like about these race threads....
People who are quick to accept a fucked up status quo as reality and sweep it under the rug and at the same time call all supposed "minority leaders" as racist, due to attempts to try and change this status quo...
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I don't accept it, I am a woman, a smart, strong woman and have been discrimination against my whole professional and personal life. I have fought the "system" to get where I am today!
You think race is the only area where discrimination exists?!
 
digimon7068 said:
unfortunately, many people ARE that shallow. . .clothing and haircut don't "make the man" either. . .walk into a fortune 50 company for an interview sometime with a hoodie and a mohawk. . .they won't even hire you to sweep the floor. . .
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yep....it's not so mush racism, but more about a perception of the person....like if he had slightly bad breath, or bad dandruff, or an ill fitting suit. Employers are looking for someone who fits into their company's culture, so I could see a name throwing that off, and if a few other things compound that perception, I can see that person not getting the job.
 
Gambino said:
and i bet he is older, proly in his late 60's-70's correct?
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87 yrs old and runs the show every day!
BUT, I have to say this, no one is allowed to call him by his first name. He goes my the nick AK
 
gjohnson5 said:
Oprah Winfrey...
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would you name your kid adolf?
i'll answer for you, you wouldn't, because of the connotation with adolf hitler
there is something in a name
 
gjohnson5 said:
Your facts are all fucked up....

Show me one fact that states that ones credentials can be measured by their name
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you know i think you're a good man, right?? but the "fact" is that people still ARE that shallow. . .period. . .no one with a functioning brain cell would say that ones credentials can be measured by their name. . .i don't make up the rules. . .i just have to live with them. . .believe me. . .in my little corner of the world, we're doing things to change attitudes. . .it starts in the home. . .we're raising our kids to (hopefully) not measure people by their race, creed, color, economic means, etc. . .
 
Just play the game right or you dont get what you want in corporate USA. No fucked up names, clothes, hair, visible tatoos, etc. unless you want to be the damn janitor. Thats the way it is.
 
Like in the movie Crash
"what's your name"
"Shaniqua"
"That figures"

It is what it is. Personally, I don't think parents should not name their kids what they want just to please the masses. I like black names, They are much more interesting than Micheal, John and Jessica

I love the name Shaniqua
 
superdave said:
Just play the game right or you dont get what you want in corporate USA. No fucked up names, clothes, hair, visible tatoos, etc. unless you want to be the damn janitor. Thats the way it is.
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corporate america expects their janitorial staff to also look, dress and conduct themselves in a certain way. . .
 
digimon7068 said:
corporate america expects their janitorial staff to also look, dress and conduct themselves in a certain way. . .
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furthers my point then.
 
superdave said:
Just play the game right or you dont get what you want in corporate USA. No fucked up names, clothes, hair, visible tatoos, etc. unless you want to be the damn janitor. Thats the way it is.
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im gonna get a tattoo of a spider on the side of my face and go to a job interview as a joke...... i wouldnt be able to stop laughing
 
gjohnson5 said:
Oprah Winfrey...
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Wayman Smith III

V.P. of Corp. Affairs Anheuser- Busch

Met this man everal years ago before he retired.It was my honor to meet such a fine, well spoken gent.
 
gjohnson5 said:
If you're racist , yes

The persons name has nothing to do with their character or work history , so the person's name should be irrrelevant
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that's just the point...
employers looking at different people, lets say they will be meeting prospective customers in outside sales. both have good resumes, both are attractive people, which one would they pick? Mark or Nairobe? Theresa or LaShaunte' ?

the variable that screws all this "theory" up is...which one is better looking.
 
vixensghost said:
Wayman Smith III

V.P. of Corp. Affairs Anheuser- Busch

Met this man everal years ago before he retired.It was my honor to meet such a fine, well spoken gent.
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That is hardly an example of a fucked up name.
 
what most people don't realize is that everything from the color of your hair to the size of your tits... the color of your skin, your accent, your name, your family name, who you know, who knows you, your choice of music, your style of clothes... I could go on and on... all of these things and more are things potential employers use in hiring process... its just quite amazing that in some instances these things are put above a persons education, experience and qualifications for that specific job.
 
and of course, anything can be overcome....especially if you don't have the attitude that they didn't hire me because I'm black/chinese/weird/different/etc./etc.
 
vixensghost said:
Wayman Smith III

V.P. of Corp. Affairs Anheuser- Busch

Met this man everal years ago before he retired.It was my honor to meet such a fine, well spoken gent.
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wayman smith iii is an afro-centric name??

it's also interesting that you mentioned the fact that he was "well spoken". . .most veeps tend to be well spoken. . .regardless of color. . .
 
Anyone see the episode of Bam's Unholy Union where he got blasted at some bar in Nowheresville. He met a guy named Duson Mandick! LOL
I would higher him to laugh at him.
 
vixensghost said:
Wayman Smith III

V.P. of Corp. Affairs Anheuser- Busch

Met this man everal years ago before he retired.It was my honor to meet such a fine, well spoken gent.
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is that supposed to be a afro-centric name? i don't think so
 
vixensghost said:
Wayman Smith III

V.P. of Corp. Affairs Anheuser- Busch

Met this man everal years ago before he retired.It was my honor to meet such a fine, well spoken gent.
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::cringe::
 
I don't care. I've hired people with typically black names. No problem.

However, I think names make a big difference. It isn't just necessarily black names but cutesy names that I think would hold someone back. I doubt we will ever have a president named Cody or Priscilla.
 
BTW...I've had (jealous) people imply that I was hired for my current job because I'm soft on the eyes. No less shallow or insulting. I just work that much harder and eventually I've earned the respect of my coworkers.

Employers are shallow when they are hiring. Especially jobs like mine where there are TONS of qualified people applying. What ends up seperating one from the rest as a tie braker can be anything, as Frisky said. Sometimes that anything is something really dumb, really racist, really sexist, really...whatever. It's a good ole boy club up there on top and they make the rules, fair or not.
 
vixensghost said:
Oh please...You're reading toooo much into that.
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I'm not reading anything into it. I just cringe whenever a black person is described as being well spoken or articulate. Reminds me of a bit Chris Rock did.
 
nefertiti said:
BTW...I've had (jealous) people imply that I was hired for my current job because I'm soft on the eyes.
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I am constantly accused of the same.....i feel your pain
 
nefertiti said:
I'm not reading anything into it. I just cringe whenever a black person is described as being well spoken or articulate. Reminds me of a bit Chris Rock did.
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Trust me..I've dealt with crackers who have Harvard Grad written all over their resume's who are not as well spoken as Wayman is.

I still keep in contact with him for the chairty work I do here in Toledo.

A person's soul defines greatness.


I love Chris Rock BTW. Funny is sexy.
 
rudeboyja said:
This is from the book Freakonomics that I'm reading. It analyzes how things you don't think about effect the economy.

Do you think some black parents doom their children's financial/business future by giving them "black" names. Would you have a problem hiring a qualified person named DeJaun or Lakisha as a VP of your company? I think it's a valid point.
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What if you give white names like Bubba, Floyd, Bobby Joe, Bambi, Candy, Destiny, Porsche, Crystal.
 
dannomight said:
It never stopped Condoleeza Rice.
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good point, but I think that you'ld have to have the sheep skins to offset it, graduated U of Colorado at 18, masters at 19, doctorate by 20 something, ages are approximate, but not far off, brain power like that... who the hell cares what your name is...
 
I would think that an Arab or Muslim type name would be more of a hinderance to you in the US these days......Although if it were my child...I would go with something more normal or a biblical name...
 
rudeboyja said:
This is from the book Freakonomics that I'm reading. It analyzes how things you don't think about effect the economy.

Do you think some black parents doom their children's financial/business future by giving them "black" names. Would you have a problem hiring a qualified person named DeJaun or Lakisha as a VP of your company? I think it's a valid point.
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No, I don't give a shit if someones name is motherfucker. All that matters is what kind of person they are. Fools think I'm racist because I hate rap music, but I hate the music and not the people. If people act like fools, I don't like their ass, black, white, red or whatever.
 
biteme said:
No, I don't give a shit if someones name is motherfucker. All that matters is what kind of person they are. Fools think I'm racist because I hate rap music, but I hate the music and not the people. If people act like fools, I don't like their ass, black, white, red or whatever.
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if you did name your kid motherfucker think about the ramifications that would have
constant harrassment at school
people laughing every time your name was read off
people in the workplace being shocked
the point is their is social results from names
 
Gambino said:
if you did name your kid motherfucker think about the ramifications that would have
constant harrassment at school
people laughing every time your name was read off
people in the workplace being shocked
the point is their is social results from names
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Yeah, I guess so. I was just giving my personal feelings about the subject. I'd LMAO if someone was named Mother Fucker, especially if they were a good person. Maybe, I"ll change my name.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Ya , you wouldn't want a bunch of dirty jungle bunnies workin' for ya , huh???
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let's say you own a business
who would you rather have representing your company?

a.
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b.
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most people are gonna chose b...not about racism all about perception and perception=$$$
 
gjohnson5 said:
Ya , you wouldn't want a bunch of dirty jungle bunnies workin' for ya , huh???
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I wouldn't say its just a racial thing alone, though it happens everyday everywhere around the world... and not just with african americans, but all other races, sexes and religions to boot. I'd say it is ignorance...

not only a name, but also a color, a religion, a sex, or a social standing could get you in or out of a job. I disagree with it as strongly as the next, but there is really not to much you can do about it. Try to prove that your salary is sub par due to the fact that you are female, even though you have your male counter parts walking in your shadow daily and they make more... Just like if it would be a race issue or a name issue... It sucks, believe me it does... but not much can be done about it or to prove it.
 
I'm pretty sure "clean" meant record-wise. Way to blow some shit out of poroprtion. Since Chewy's an HR person, I have no doubt that's where he was coming from.
 
My ex wife spells her name Shelagh, she almost changed it to Sheila because she felt that she was stigmatized by it.
 
jnevin said:
I'm pretty sure "clean" meant record-wise. Way to blow some shit out of poroprtion. Since Chewy's an HR person, I have no doubt that's where he was coming from.
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i'm so dirrty :(
 
Anyone, regardless of color that takes a normal name and bastardizes it into something unrecognizable, un-writable and unpronounceable - in my opinion - is setting up their children for a lifetime of issues with their name.

And don't even get me started on those that have to give the kid both the maiden name and paternal name so they can go through life with a hyphen and hours worth of frustration because most of the population has a 5th grade reading level and they often become confused at the notion of a hyphen and don't know how to file you.

Remind me one day and I'll tell the story about the white Jewish male accountant with a "black" first name and an "Italian" last name that embezzled millions from a straight black couple simply named "smith".
 
javaguru said:
My grandfather anglicized our German name to fit in. Dropped the Von and added "ham" :).
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i thought u were a fellow kraut!! :artist:
 
ya'll should be here for oktoberfest...surprising in a french/spanish city that they celebrate it.
 
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