??? about starting dbol - Thx

[Bad Black]

you take the dbol for a duration of 4-6 weeks, every day, spread out every 3 hours to take advantage of half-life (very short active life on dbol). 30-35mg is good IMO for a beginner. you can do 20-25 as well. best to stack with some test, or are you intending on an all-oral cycle?

 

[Bad Black]

my post is on top. lol. WTF?

 

[tack]

I'm starting a cycle of dbol, from what I have read I got the good stuff - pinkies from thai.

These are my questions, and some info about me to help you answer (I read the newbie info post!) Thanks in advance, bro's.

1. Once I start the cycle - do I take every day or only on lift days?

2. With the 5mg tabs, do you spread the total dose out or take entire dose for the day at once?

3. I've read that gyno kicks in at above 20mg per day... comments? What should I take to achieve max effects w/o gyno?

this is my first time taking gear, and am starting easy and uncomplicated - just dbol. I am 5'9" - 161 lbs and have a hard time gaining weight (high metabo I guess). I am cut up already and bench 240lbs - I just want to get bigger. I am 26 yrs old, have lifted for at least 8 yrs without much gain in size, but have def gotten stronger. I would est. my BF at 9% (lean).

My goal is to gain about 15 lbs of muscle - Any bro's wanna take a shot at hefting some advice my way? I already got the dbol because i read/heard about its mass building. Other that telling me i got the wrong gear...

thanks!

 

[kevinkm4]

hey bro you need to take dbol every day start off with 4 per day of those tabs and stack with with an injectable, do some more research

 

[The Terminator]

My advice: Add an injectable...

 

[tinymm]

I'm starting a cycle of dbol, from what I have read I got the good stuff - pinkies from thai.

These are my questions, and some info about me to help you answer (I read the newbie info post!) Thanks in advance, bro's.

1. Once I start the cycle - do I take every day or only on lift days?

2. With the 5mg tabs, do you spread the total dose out or take entire dose for the day at once?

3. I've read that gyno kicks in at above 20mg per day... comments? What should I take to achieve max effects w/o gyno?

this is my first time taking gear, and am starting easy and uncomplicated - just dbol. I am 5'9" - 161 lbs and have a hard time gaining weight (high metabo I guess). I am cut up already and bench 240lbs - I just want to get bigger. I am 26 yrs old, have lifted for at least 8 yrs without much gain in size, but have def gotten stronger. I would est. my BF at 9% (lean).

My goal is to gain about 15 lbs of muscle - Any bro's wanna take a shot at hefting some advice my way? I already got the dbol because i read/heard about its mass building. Other that telling me i got the wrong gear...

thanks!

i would mix some test in there with the bol... and your going to want to take it everyday not just the days you lift.get your post cycle set so you dont loose everything you gain.

-matt

 

[tack]

I was intending to start with an all oral cycle, see how things work and build a rep before i looked for/starting asking about injectables. Is 20-25mg of dbol for 6 wks good, if i want to keep 10-15 lbs? I've read that keep gains with dbol suck, and that it's mostly water-weight.

 

[Bad Black]

well, i'd get my hands on some winny if i were you. that will at least solidify your dbol gains somewhat. winny is an oral also of course, fitting into an all-oral. dbol at 25-35mg ED would be first (6 weeks is good) then maybe 4 weeks of winny at 50mg ED to finish things off. that is if your hell bent on using dbol without test. not that its the best option, just about your only real option unless you got some var you can get your hands on. dbol and var would be a nice stack i'd like to try some day. i love both of these AAS, and would like to use them together some day.

 

[jacshelb]

My buddy's recent and first cycle: 20mg. dbol/day weeks 1-5. 1susta. every 5 days weeks 1-5, winny at 20mg./day for 10days (weeks 6-7), taper with dbol. and used nolva post (and throughout) cycle. Kept about 10-12 lbs. So, I'm guessing you are gonna need more than just the dbol to reach your goal. But, either way, good luck!

Jacob

 

[Mini Viper]

as posted by bad black

well, i'd get my hands on some winny if i were you. that will at least solidify your dbol gains somewhat. winny is an oral also of course, fitting into an all-oral. dbol at 25-35mg ED would be first (6 weeks is good) then maybe 4 weeks of winny at 50mg ED to finish things off. that is if your hell bent on using dbol without test. not that its the best option, just about your only real option unless you got some var you can get your hands on. dbol and var would be a nice stack i'd like to try some day. i love both of these AAS, and would like to use them together some day.

tack -

IMO, two orals is not good, especially dbol and winny, man thats harsh on your liver because they are both 17aa methylated gear. I would use an oral and an injectable like The Terminator said is much better for you.

just a thought bro

peace

 

[bigsonrising]

Your stats are similair to mine when I did my first cycle, course i did the ol Dbol/Deca started at 20/200, ended up 50/400, lol...i gained 12 pounds the first 4 wks, bench went up 60 pounds...I'd say add an injectable if you can, but take 50mgs DBol, I highly doubt that you're prone to gyno...

 

[Bad Black]

as posted by bad black



tack -

IMO, two orals is not good, especially dbol and winny, man thats harsh on your liver because they are both 17aa methylated gear. I would use an oral and an injectable like The Terminator said is much better for you.

just a thought bro

peace

that is if he is NOT going to do an injectable. and too harsh? how many times you guys done dbol front of cycle and winny tail end along with injectable? please explain how dbol/winny is any more harsh alone than stacked with an injectable. check your logic before posting, and check the fact i asked if he was doing oral only, an suggested adding an injecable first...... instead of just quoting the third post i made on this thread.

 

[liftsiron]

that is if he is NOT going to do an injectable. and too harsh? how many times you guys done dbol front of cycle and winny tail end along with injectable? please explain how dbol/winny is any more harsh alone than stacked with an injectable. check your logic before posting, and check the fact i asked if he was doing oral only, an suggested adding an injecable first...... instead of just quoting the third post i made on this thread.

I agree, good answers bad black

 

[Bad Black]

I agree, good answers bad black

we have to take in all aspects here and help the guy even if he goes against the suggestion of test, and give him the best advice possible to make the most of it. i personally did not listen to the "don't do dbol alone" first cycle advice myself. I did like i recommended to him and it turned out alright. then i was ready to do it right next time with sust/EQ and dbol. nothing wrong with getting your feet wet with a decent oral only, like anavar.....or dbol/arimidex with a smidge of winny in there. isn't it High Intensity who called dbol/arimidex "poor mans anavar". i am older though and did it before he did, lol.

 

[Mini Viper]

Bad black -

Well, guess I wasnt reading properly,

I certainly wouldnt do two 17aa methylated gear myself, like I said its just IMO!

My first cycle was a dbol only cycle for 3 weeks and you know what people think about short cycles using only dbol. But i got great results, gained 5lbs lean muscle mass and thats not bad!

peace bro

 

[eviction]

I did a d-bol only cycle for my first cycle. I took 50mg ed though, but im sure it could have possibly been a little underdosed. I had good results. Alot of people are gonna dog on you for considering a d-bol only cycle. D-bol does help build muscle, no matter what people say, and you get size fast. Do you have something like clomid to take post cycle? I hope so.. anyways if you take around 20-30mg e.d. (try to spread your dosage throughout the day)... lift heavy, and eat like crazy... i didnt even bother with cardio when i was trying to gain size. The point is i made gains that i was happy with on a d-bol only cycle. Just train hard, dont go out drinking... and eat as much as possible. It will also be good motivation to move on to better gear.

 

[Mini Viper]

eviction -

thanks. I did use clomid for recovery. I know what people think about short cycles but at the end of the day you gotta test it out and see what happens and it turned out good.

I'm doing my second cycle now consisting of dbol 30mg wks 1-4 and sus 250mg wks 1-10. should get some pretty nice gains.
I'm gonna use HCG for recovery with clomid.

peace

 

[The Terminator]

take 50mgs DBol, I highly doubt that you're prone to gyno...

That's a rather astute assumption to be making on his behalf. 50 mgs of dbol/day will exacerbate gyno problems in a large percentage of users...

 

[Bad Black]

Bad black -

Well, guess I wasnt reading properly,

I certainly wouldnt do two 17aa methylated gear myself, like I said its just IMO!

My first cycle was a dbol only cycle for 3 weeks and you know what people think about short cycles using only dbol. But i got great results, gained 5lbs lean muscle mass and thats not bad!

peace bro

well thats what i was trying to say....its not the BEST idea perhaps for MOST guys.....but certainly not the worst idea. dbol and arimidex together usually leads to quality gains. and being the first cycle, even just dbol will certainly help put on some size if done right. i think everyone either does, or things of doing, dbol only the first cycle. may as well let everyone just do it i say . and i was not advising two 17aa at the same time....but rather dbol THEN winny. still only running ONE oral for 8-10 weeks. not gonna kill you unless you have some pre-existing problems or what not. i would do two orals at once though if one was anavar. otherwise probably not. back to back, yes....as long as its not like 3 months or more

 

[Mini Viper]

as posted by bad black

well thats what i was trying to say....its not the BEST idea perhaps for MOST guys.....but certainly not the worst idea. dbol and arimidex together usually leads to quality gains. and being the first cycle, even just dbol will certainly help put on some size if done right. i think everyone either does, or things of doing, dbol only the first cycle. may as well let everyone just do it i say . and i was not advising two 17aa at the same time....but rather dbol THEN winny. still only running ONE oral for 8-10 weeks. not gonna kill you unless you have some pre-existing problems or what not. i would do two orals at once though if one was anavar. otherwise probably not. back to back, yes....as long as its not like 3 months or more

right on bro!

 

[Bad Black]

as posted by bad black


right on bro!

 

[bigsonrising]

That's a rather astute assumption to be making on his behalf. 50 mgs of dbol/day will exacerbate gyno problems in a large percentage of users...

You're right and I apologize I can only speak for myself and I was only makin a correlation because of the similarity in stats, from what I've seen folks w/ low BF arent AS prone.....but I retract my statement...I'll just keep takin 50/day

 

[The Terminator]

You're right and I apologize I can only speak for myself and I was only makin a correlation because of the similarity in stats, from what I've seen folks w/ low BF arent AS prone.....but I retract my statement...I'll just keep takin 50/day

, That dosage may work for you, but I know that at 30 mg/day (the highest I have gone) I get some nice aromatization problems myself...At 50 mg/day I would probably have B cup breasts...

 

[slobberknocker]

And I have no gyno symptoms on 100 mgs/day.

 

[The Terminator]

And I have no gyno symptoms on 100 mgs/day.

I would feel like this at probably half that dosage...

 

[BigB_79]

Add some test or deca. Don't be scared of the needle, you'll learn to love it.

 

[bigsonrising]

I thought Dbol was good at 20 mgs, but at 50, it was GREAT! lol

 

[tack]

Thanks guys, that's some serious advice from good bro's. I know a dbol only cycle is not the BEST, but I want to see how I react, see if I'm prone to gyno, see how I hold water, etc...

From what I read, sounds like I should take 30 mg ed 6 weeks, eat like a sob, lift hard (I do anyway), follow up with some winny to cut up, and finish with clomid.

Winny oral comes in 5mg tabs, from what I heard you need to take 50mg ed (same dose as injectable) for it to be effective. Isn't 50 mg oral ed harsh on the liver?

on that note, how important is the clomid? If I don't experience any gyno, do I still need to finish with clomid? For how long and how much ed?

thanks again bro's. this is like an online course. Wish i could get credit from the Marines for continuing my education....

 

[Bad Black]

Thanks guys, that's some serious advice from good bro's. I know a dbol only cycle is not the BEST, but I want to see how I react, see if I'm prone to gyno, see how I hold water, etc...

From what I read, sounds like I should take 30 mg ed 6 weeks, eat like a sob, lift hard (I do anyway), follow up with some winny to cut up, and finish with clomid.

Winny oral comes in 5mg tabs, from what I heard you need to take 50mg ed (same dose as injectable) for it to be effective. Isn't 50 mg oral ed harsh on the liver?

on that note, how important is the clomid? If I don't experience any gyno, do I still need to finish with clomid? For how long and how much ed?

thanks again bro's. this is like an online course. Wish i could get credit from the Marines for continuing my education....

i use BD winny at 35mg ED and it works fine. if i get the 50mg IP winny i take one or two a day, and man it really works wonders. one thing IP makes that is a great product. winny is known to be one of the harshest on the liver, anadrol probably the worst. but your only on it for 4 weeks, so don't fret too much over it. just give yourself time off after, and may as well do clomid therapy post cycle, which is used to normalize your HPTA or natural hormones. 300mg day 1, 100mg day 2-7, 50mg day 8-21. or try the new proviron post cycle therapy that is all the rage . BTW: for gyno its the nolvadex that you use, when you see it coming on....or just take it for the duration of the dbol like i do. i also take arimidex with dbol to make sure the gains are more quality than water and bloat. everything else you said sounds good if your set on the oral-only route this time.

 

[Juice Authority]

i use BD winny at 35mg ED and it works fine. if i get the 50mg IP winny i take one or two a day, and man it really works wonders. one thing IP makes that is a great product. winny is known to be one of the harshest on the liver, anadrol probably the worst. but your only on it for 4 weeks, so don't fret too much over it. just give yourself time off after, and may as well do clomid therapy post cycle, which is used to normalize your HPTA or natural hormones. 300mg day 1, 100mg day 2-7, 50mg day 8-21. or try the new proviron post cycle therapy that is all the rage . BTW: for gyno its the nolvadex that you use, when you see it coming on....or just take it for the duration of the dbol like i do. i also take arimidex with dbol to make sure the gains are more quality than water and bloat. everything else you said sounds good if your set on the oral-only route this time.

Wow, for a newbie you really seem to know your shit! Where do you get the wealth of information? How you been on the boards for a while? karma to you!

 

[Bad Black]

Wow, for a newbie you really seem to know your shit! Where do you get the wealth of information? How you been on the boards for a while? karma to you!

Never judge a man by his post count alone....lol....

 

[tack]

bad black -

thanks bro. I will keep all that posted with suggestions updated on my progress thru the cycle, via a new thread.

btw, looking at the prices of arimidex, it's more $ than the damn dbol. pharm companies are really making the loot.

one last question. I do a lot of cardio, running at least 20-25 miles a week. will that interfere with gains while using dbol? Unfortunately, it's not something i have the option of NOT doing, I lead PT for the troops - gotta lead from the front.

 

[Bad Black]

bad black -

thanks bro. I will keep all that posted with suggestions updated on my progress thru the cycle, via a new thread.

btw, looking at the prices of arimidex, it's more $ than the damn dbol. pharm companies are really making the loot.

one last question. I do a lot of cardio, running at least 20-25 miles a week. will that interfere with gains while using dbol? Unfortunately, it's not something i have the option of NOT doing, I lead PT for the troops - gotta lead from the front.

yes, i used the astra zeneca arimidex and it cost me an arm and a leg. nowadays you can get the liquid versions here in the states *for research purposes only*. there are many different companies who carry liquid arimidex. i used to get it from ANA until they left the business....they were tabs and were pretty cheap, $2.50 a tab i believe....and you only need 1/2 tab a day. cardio would interfere with a full on bulk cycle.....but then again you won't have to worry about getting fat with all that running. but like i said, i believe it would interfere somewhat in your final gains since it works against gaining weight, which is what you are trying to do.

 

[The Terminator]

bad black -

thanks bro. I will keep all that posted with suggestions updated on my progress thru the cycle, via a new thread.

btw, looking at the prices of arimidex, it's more $ than the damn dbol. pharm companies are really making the loot.

one last question. I do a lot of cardio, running at least 20-25 miles a week. will that interfere with gains while using dbol? Unfortunately, it's not something i have the option of NOT doing, I lead PT for the troops - gotta lead from the front.

As bad black said go with the liquid versions, they are easy to get and cheaper than the old tabs anyway. No need to go with Astra Zeneca (unless you are rich lol...)

 

[E23]

arimidex at costco costs the same as black market liquidex, then again you need a script

 

[bigsonrising]

bad black -

thanks bro. I will keep all that posted with suggestions updated on my progress thru the cycle, via a new thread.

btw, looking at the prices of arimidex, it's more $ than the damn dbol. pharm companies are really making the loot.

one last question. I do a lot of cardio, running at least 20-25 miles a week. will that interfere with gains while using dbol? Unfortunately, it's not something i have the option of NOT doing, I lead PT for the troops - gotta lead from the front.

Hey, I'm in the Army and I still managed to gain 12 pounds in 4 weeks off a DBol/Deca cycle..yeah, cardio might interfere, but not too much brother...good luck

 

[babbabuee]

tack, good luck trying to run w/30-50mg of dbol. I was taking 25mg and first off I was too bloated, second, i would cramp up so fuckin easily I couldn't run 15 minutes of basketball (and I am used to running 2 hours). Plus I'd get some severe lower back pumps, made it hard to even walk or stand up. If you are hell bent on doing the dbol, make sure you invest in the anti-e's or e blockers. but if I have to put in my 2 cents, i also say you should add an injectible. if you're not ready to do that, then maybe you're not ready to juice period. maybe consider some oxandrolone instead of the dbol, by the time you spend the money on the arimidex and dbol, probably about the same as some denkall ox.

 

[roidcurious]

strike 3

 

[jafo]

I joined this board to find out more info on a d-bol only cycle ...thanks to all for the good advice