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just wanting to share info from our board on a product that is being tried and I haven't used His product(but i do have a bottle of it)and a sample of shredgel and the wife is going to start using it tonight also for a report on it
also here is the entire thread from bolex----FLEX
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I'm Testing Shredgel Post #1
first off id like to thank kori from protogenex for hooking me up with ample test supplies. he was very kind and truly a class act. i believe that myself and a few others "skoal' will be testing this new product. as some of you may know, topical yohimbine products are a hot item. macro , ulter, and their product are kinda like the only one of its kind. now that protogenex is launching this new product macro and ulter came to slander the new product before it is even launched. now i am not going to get into any childish slander, as i just want to test this product before i say one way or another. i will be posting every few days about the products and or results,sides,etc. id also like to thank flex for allowing me to be apart of this test. i hope that kori,flex, and others who are apart of the testing will chime in and we can make this a great thread.
keep this bumped
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KEEP THIS BUMPED, also how much will they be charging for this stuff?
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i believe that the cost will be signifigantly lower than the burn'
i am about to workout so my first application will be shortly!
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6800 mgs of yohimbine hcl worth for 49.99. Hey doc how dyou get the free sample?? you thin theyl;l still hook anyone up?? i spoke to em a week back, very polite peple and very helpful.
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well my first application went well, i am surprised that there is no real strong odor. it smells like lotion actually!no ben gay smell what so ever. i did feel the heat after applied,and a tingling sensation on applied areas. way to early to tell results ,LOL, but so far so good!time will tell, had a great workout and sweated like carzy "although this is not a rare occurance!"
will give play by play as time goes on!
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well skoal Post #7
has to go on a trip so he couldn't be part of the test
i got some samples also and first thing i have to say is that it looks good(as for the packaging)
i'm going to get the wife started on it tomorrow and see how she does but i also got the G3-R glutamine peptide for myself
the shredgel has 6800mg's of yohimbine HCL in 8 oz's and thats more than the others but like with any fat loss drug its still about diet/traing/cardo and this is only a aid in helping----IMO
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i apologize to macro, as slander i guess is a poor choice of words. although he does have questionable accusations to how you can get 6800mg of the stuff in the solution. or how the price can be so low at 50.00$
these are the kinda questions that i cant answer,as i dont know jack diddley about the scientific logistics of the product. i feel that the reps from protogenex will come and maybe explain. who knows!
i know i did get a great burn from it,and was the same feeling as macros product!
now if i only had some of macros product to conduct a one side shredgel one side yohimbiburn test. as i feel that would really kill 2 birds with 1 stone!as a sort of scientific method
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this just in, i find it hard to get off my hands. this stuff burns baby! could be the carrier, and or the hcl! but i just tried to jerk it, and boy did i feel the heat in my pecker. so if by tommorow i have 12 inches of meat i'll tell you guys so you can go get a bottle or 3!
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"A proprietary blend of Yohimbine HCL (6,800 mg's/bottle), Coleus Forskohlli, Aminophylline, and Green Tea extract in a base of Isopropyl Myristate, Vitamin A & C Complex, and Aloe Vera Gel. "
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DTO, thanks for the updates and feedback. Can't believe you got it on your "johnson", I feel for you brother. Just to let everyone know we're not giving out free samples, Flex(who I've known for a couple of years) asked us to send out a few to people he trusted as reliable test subjects. And if you know Flex, he's about the most straight up, honest guy you can find. So if he tells me this is good/bad/tweak this, we take that as great feedback.
The Shredgel is strong and make sure you wash your hands immediately after applying. Our thoughts when formulating this product was to make it to strong rather than to weak. If it's to strong at first people can always dilute it with a little aloe vera gel. My best analogy is; some people think sus hurts like hell, some people love the feeling, we love the feeling personally. There shouldn't be much of an odor(we tried hard to make it almost odor free) and should absorb quickly. Our inspiration for this product was actually Dan Duchaine's old Yo Be Lean, that was around in the early/mid 90's. My personal advice is to use your pinky/ring fingers to rub it in with. This way even if you don't get it all off washing your hands (because it absorbs fast), your less prone to get it on your "stick" in DTO's case, or in my case touching my eyes. Yes there is 6,800mg's of yoh. hcl per 8oz bottle. This is a high concentration but not much more than other products, like yohimburn, I thought they had like 3,200(something like that) in a 4oz bottle. Why we're able to charge less. I think there are alot of factors(good suppliers, larger bulk quantities) but we have 12 products and we try to make a margin on each that is fair and fits our business model. Once we have that we try to pass the best price on to our customers.
Our business model is to spend 70% of our budget on product/research, 30% on marketing/sales. This is exactly opposite of most supplement companies. I think the best example of this is one of my favorite little companies, Protein Factory. You can buy almost any protein from them at less than half the cost of a brand name at GNC, and you're probably getting a better product. One way we do this is no 5 page ads in Flex Magazine, no athlete endorsements. I don't know why other companies charge more, maybe they just feel they can(and do). I would never spend $110 for a bottle of cutting gel at GNC, but some people must. We do not want to get into any name calling on these boards, it's just a waste of time. I haven't seen/tried yohimburn but it seems to be a good product from the feedback I've read. But $100+ for alot of these other "cutting gels" is a f$ucking rip-off.
We will try to answer questions from board members, but as much as I love surfing the boards, I'm busy as hell right now. So if you don't get a response for a day or two it probably means we're at a show, on a plane, or filling orders.
Thanks
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now if i only had some of macros product to conduct a one side shredgel one side yohimbiburn test. as i feel that would really kill 2 birds with 1 stone!as a sort of scientific method
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One of the mods on the Fina board did this sort of thing. Just to test Yohimburn he put it only on one side. In a month his Yohimburn side was indented where the fat was gone and the other side was still round. He said it surprised him but he proved it works to himself which was his goal.
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I understand now why protogenex wants to give away their shredgel and have people try it. They haven't done any testing on it. They have no idea if it works or not. Kori runs the "lab" out of his house and had this stuff made up figuring he would ride the Yohimburn wave and siphon off some of Yohimburn's success. They have nice packaging and take the approach that people buy the sizzle and not the steak.
You guys need to understand that yohimbine hcl has been used for years as a cutting agent, so it's nothing new to those who have been around BBing the last 10 years. The problem has always been getting it to the receptors with a dose large enough to bind and shut them off without damaging the yohimbine hcl in the process. One product uses alcohols which destabilizes the yohimbine hcl so that you have wildly conflicting and questionable results.
It looks like the approach Kori took was to just increase the amount of yohimbine hcl, I assume because he knew that the amount that would actually be delivered would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30% of what was applied if he used this delivery solution. But one of the problems with that is that if you use a poor grade yohimbine hcl to start with then you’ll only have 70% yo hcl. Then if only 20% of that makes it to the target your 6800mg becomes 952mg.
All this is assuming that there really is 6800mg in a bottle but that's a whole other issue.
Good luck with your tests. If they work maybe Protogenx will get a real lab and spend their money on the product and not the packaging and hype.
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I have learned over the years that the supplement industry is more 'cut throat" than you could ever imagine.
People will stop at no end in attempts to discredit some one for their own benefit.
It becomes even more difficult to know what to buy as 75% of the supps out there are total Bull Shit.... in so much as what they produce for you in relation to their label claims
I say.... let the proof be in the pudding.
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Didn't take long for a bash Post #14
Ulter: I actually compliment your product and all you can do is bash. We're not trying to ride the "yohimburn wave", it's one product out of 12 for us, but we do think it's a good one. And as I said before (and you even said yoh. products have been around for awhile) the inspiration for our formula was Duchaine's Yo Be Lean. And we didn't "have this stuff made up", we formulated it ourselves.
Our lab is not "run out of my house", where's yohimburn's lab? I personally do try to work out of my home office as much as possible. Mainly because I recently had some minor surgery and it's easier for me to go to rehab, lay down if needed. But our lab is only a few miles away and the boys there keep busy.
To say we spend our $$ on packaging and hype. On a previous thread you bashed us for not having enough marketing. This is childish. I don't have time to spend all day on here so I'm sure there will be another 10 bashing posts from you, but who cares.
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I like it so far! BURN Feels good! :O) Makes you think it is working! I'll update everyone also even though I paid full price!
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We're not trying to ride the "yohimburn wave",
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Then can I ask you why the word "yohimburn" is a search engine meta tag on your website?
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One way we do this is no 5 page ads in Flex Magazine,
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The reason you don't have 5 page ads is that an ad like that is $50,000 a month with a 12 month commitment. I am going out on a limb here and guessing you don't have $600,000 to commit.
You started this whole thing with a lie posted by "skyler" that "I got some free samples of this new stuff at the gym and it works great". Skyler is an employee of protogenx, probably you, and made up the whole thing.
It is this kind of bullshit that makes it tough for people with legitimate products to do business. I don't blame people for not believing anyone about supps. The more I learn about you people the more I am convinced that 100 years ago you'd have been horse thieves.
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What is the scientific rationale for these "spot reducers"?
In BodyOpus, Duchaine said that the only way to get yohimbe into the fatty areas for spot reduction was to inject it. I read elsewhere that the transdermal route was ineffective, because once absorbed (IF it was absorbed at all), it would be spread throughout your body by blood vessels -- effectively the same thing as taking yohimbe orally, and therefore negating any spot reduction.
Also, I remember that some french cream was shown to spot reduce only because it eliminated water (thereby making only a temporary difference), while another study using some kind of imaging (MRI/CAT?) showed some other spot reducer had no effect on adipose tissue at all.
So I'm just looking for the rationale behind these products, and why they will succeed where others failed. I'm holding out hope for a true product like this, but let's just say that over the past ten years I've spent a lot of money on "the next best thing" before each turned out to be junk...
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So I'm just looking for the rationale behind these products, and why they will succeed where others failed. I'm holding out hope for a true product like this, but let's just say that over the past ten years I've spent a lot of money on "the next best thing" before each turned out to be junk...
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come on dont give up yet, make ulter and macro millionaires first
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You're somewhat right, the topical yohimbine products (and there's alot more than yohimburn and shredgel) can be hit and miss with many people for a variety of reasons, don't have time to get into them all this minute. But Duchaine did say that for a topical to be effective it would have to be "transdermal" and a powerful carrier at that to reach the fat cells. His first choice was injectable yohimbine, actually a vet. product out of mexico mixed with glucagon. This is why protogenex.com has used isopropyl myristate at a heavy concentration. Here's an old add for Dan's product:
Dan Duchaine's company, Essentials, Inc., has just come out with this new cream. Yo-Be-Lean is 12% yohimbine strength meaning that each 1/2 teaspoon application contains approximately 300mg of yohimbine.
Wow, That's a lot of yohimbine! Dan doesn't screw around. If yohimbine can get the alpha-2 adrenoreceptors to release fat from the lower body fat cells (buttocks, thigh and hip area "cellulite") as he believes, there has to be enough yohimbine in the cream to reach those fat cells through the skin barrier so it can do its job. Short of injecting yohimbine into those problem areas, this is probably the best solution.
Dan says Yo-Be-Lean "was based on the 1987 Greenway UCLA research showing girth reduction with topical applications of various compounds. Although the mass-market jumped on the aminophylline a few years back, it's my feeling that the size reduction was from a local diuretic effect. It appears that whatever fat reductions achieved with topical yohimbine, do not return upon cessation of the application."
Directions for use: After bath or shower, apply approximately 1/2 teaspoon on each thigh or buttock. Repeat before bed.
Get Dan Duchaine's Underground BodyOpus book today! Just $19.95! Dan explains the alpha-2 adrenoreceptors well in this book. He feels that these andreno-receptors are largely responsible for the lower body fat problem that many women have. Yo-Be-Lean is his solution!
NOTE: In order to lose body fat, you simply must be taking in less calories than you burn off. This cream is thought to help free up the fat in an area that is problematic for many women - and many men too! Without a proper diet, this cream will likely have no effect, since the body will not be in a fat burning mode. Use this product only in conjunction with an appropriate diet and exercise program.
Two other things to note, his high concetration of yoh. 300mg/per half teaspoon. I think Ulter questioned whether we could get 6,800 mg's into 8oz, which is only 70-80mg's/teaspoon, similar to their's I believe.
We also added the aminophylline for exactly the purpose above, to act as a local diuretic. Since the yoh. can cause water retention in areas applied, especially upon initial use. Oh and by the way, Dan used a couple of different types of alcohol in his product.
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well i'm posting this thread at elite also Post #20
and see what responces it gets----you guys can ask questions or what ever but slander comments should be kept off as the people will decide if its any good or not
as for suppliment themselves i think only a handfull are worth using and as JP said best---its a cut throat industry and if people want to use them then they should try to get the best value for those that work----so let the people decide and believe me they will
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also here is the entire thread from bolex----FLEX
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I'm Testing Shredgel Post #1
first off id like to thank kori from protogenex for hooking me up with ample test supplies. he was very kind and truly a class act. i believe that myself and a few others "skoal' will be testing this new product. as some of you may know, topical yohimbine products are a hot item. macro , ulter, and their product are kinda like the only one of its kind. now that protogenex is launching this new product macro and ulter came to slander the new product before it is even launched. now i am not going to get into any childish slander, as i just want to test this product before i say one way or another. i will be posting every few days about the products and or results,sides,etc. id also like to thank flex for allowing me to be apart of this test. i hope that kori,flex, and others who are apart of the testing will chime in and we can make this a great thread.
keep this bumped
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KEEP THIS BUMPED, also how much will they be charging for this stuff?
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i believe that the cost will be signifigantly lower than the burn'
i am about to workout so my first application will be shortly!
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checkj out the site Post #5
6800 mgs of yohimbine hcl worth for 49.99. Hey doc how dyou get the free sample?? you thin theyl;l still hook anyone up?? i spoke to em a week back, very polite peple and very helpful.
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well my first application went well, i am surprised that there is no real strong odor. it smells like lotion actually!no ben gay smell what so ever. i did feel the heat after applied,and a tingling sensation on applied areas. way to early to tell results ,LOL, but so far so good!time will tell, had a great workout and sweated like carzy "although this is not a rare occurance!"
will give play by play as time goes on!
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well skoal Post #7
has to go on a trip so he couldn't be part of the test
i got some samples also and first thing i have to say is that it looks good(as for the packaging)
i'm going to get the wife started on it tomorrow and see how she does but i also got the G3-R glutamine peptide for myself
the shredgel has 6800mg's of yohimbine HCL in 8 oz's and thats more than the others but like with any fat loss drug its still about diet/traing/cardo and this is only a aid in helping----IMO
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i apologize to macro, as slander i guess is a poor choice of words. although he does have questionable accusations to how you can get 6800mg of the stuff in the solution. or how the price can be so low at 50.00$
these are the kinda questions that i cant answer,as i dont know jack diddley about the scientific logistics of the product. i feel that the reps from protogenex will come and maybe explain. who knows!
i know i did get a great burn from it,and was the same feeling as macros product!
now if i only had some of macros product to conduct a one side shredgel one side yohimbiburn test. as i feel that would really kill 2 birds with 1 stone!as a sort of scientific method
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this just in, i find it hard to get off my hands. this stuff burns baby! could be the carrier, and or the hcl! but i just tried to jerk it, and boy did i feel the heat in my pecker. so if by tommorow i have 12 inches of meat i'll tell you guys so you can go get a bottle or 3!
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Ingredients Post #10
"A proprietary blend of Yohimbine HCL (6,800 mg's/bottle), Coleus Forskohlli, Aminophylline, and Green Tea extract in a base of Isopropyl Myristate, Vitamin A & C Complex, and Aloe Vera Gel. "
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DTO, thanks for the updates and feedback. Can't believe you got it on your "johnson", I feel for you brother. Just to let everyone know we're not giving out free samples, Flex(who I've known for a couple of years) asked us to send out a few to people he trusted as reliable test subjects. And if you know Flex, he's about the most straight up, honest guy you can find. So if he tells me this is good/bad/tweak this, we take that as great feedback.
The Shredgel is strong and make sure you wash your hands immediately after applying. Our thoughts when formulating this product was to make it to strong rather than to weak. If it's to strong at first people can always dilute it with a little aloe vera gel. My best analogy is; some people think sus hurts like hell, some people love the feeling, we love the feeling personally. There shouldn't be much of an odor(we tried hard to make it almost odor free) and should absorb quickly. Our inspiration for this product was actually Dan Duchaine's old Yo Be Lean, that was around in the early/mid 90's. My personal advice is to use your pinky/ring fingers to rub it in with. This way even if you don't get it all off washing your hands (because it absorbs fast), your less prone to get it on your "stick" in DTO's case, or in my case touching my eyes. Yes there is 6,800mg's of yoh. hcl per 8oz bottle. This is a high concentration but not much more than other products, like yohimburn, I thought they had like 3,200(something like that) in a 4oz bottle. Why we're able to charge less. I think there are alot of factors(good suppliers, larger bulk quantities) but we have 12 products and we try to make a margin on each that is fair and fits our business model. Once we have that we try to pass the best price on to our customers.
Our business model is to spend 70% of our budget on product/research, 30% on marketing/sales. This is exactly opposite of most supplement companies. I think the best example of this is one of my favorite little companies, Protein Factory. You can buy almost any protein from them at less than half the cost of a brand name at GNC, and you're probably getting a better product. One way we do this is no 5 page ads in Flex Magazine, no athlete endorsements. I don't know why other companies charge more, maybe they just feel they can(and do). I would never spend $110 for a bottle of cutting gel at GNC, but some people must. We do not want to get into any name calling on these boards, it's just a waste of time. I haven't seen/tried yohimburn but it seems to be a good product from the feedback I've read. But $100+ for alot of these other "cutting gels" is a f$ucking rip-off.
We will try to answer questions from board members, but as much as I love surfing the boards, I'm busy as hell right now. So if you don't get a response for a day or two it probably means we're at a show, on a plane, or filling orders.
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now if i only had some of macros product to conduct a one side shredgel one side yohimbiburn test. as i feel that would really kill 2 birds with 1 stone!as a sort of scientific method
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One of the mods on the Fina board did this sort of thing. Just to test Yohimburn he put it only on one side. In a month his Yohimburn side was indented where the fat was gone and the other side was still round. He said it surprised him but he proved it works to himself which was his goal.
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I understand now why protogenex wants to give away their shredgel and have people try it. They haven't done any testing on it. They have no idea if it works or not. Kori runs the "lab" out of his house and had this stuff made up figuring he would ride the Yohimburn wave and siphon off some of Yohimburn's success. They have nice packaging and take the approach that people buy the sizzle and not the steak.
You guys need to understand that yohimbine hcl has been used for years as a cutting agent, so it's nothing new to those who have been around BBing the last 10 years. The problem has always been getting it to the receptors with a dose large enough to bind and shut them off without damaging the yohimbine hcl in the process. One product uses alcohols which destabilizes the yohimbine hcl so that you have wildly conflicting and questionable results.
It looks like the approach Kori took was to just increase the amount of yohimbine hcl, I assume because he knew that the amount that would actually be delivered would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30% of what was applied if he used this delivery solution. But one of the problems with that is that if you use a poor grade yohimbine hcl to start with then you’ll only have 70% yo hcl. Then if only 20% of that makes it to the target your 6800mg becomes 952mg.
All this is assuming that there really is 6800mg in a bottle but that's a whole other issue.
Good luck with your tests. If they work maybe Protogenx will get a real lab and spend their money on the product and not the packaging and hype.
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Today 04:42 AM
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I have learned over the years that the supplement industry is more 'cut throat" than you could ever imagine.
People will stop at no end in attempts to discredit some one for their own benefit.
It becomes even more difficult to know what to buy as 75% of the supps out there are total Bull Shit.... in so much as what they produce for you in relation to their label claims
I say.... let the proof be in the pudding.
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Today 05:05 AM
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Didn't take long for a bash Post #14
Ulter: I actually compliment your product and all you can do is bash. We're not trying to ride the "yohimburn wave", it's one product out of 12 for us, but we do think it's a good one. And as I said before (and you even said yoh. products have been around for awhile) the inspiration for our formula was Duchaine's Yo Be Lean. And we didn't "have this stuff made up", we formulated it ourselves.
Our lab is not "run out of my house", where's yohimburn's lab? I personally do try to work out of my home office as much as possible. Mainly because I recently had some minor surgery and it's easier for me to go to rehab, lay down if needed. But our lab is only a few miles away and the boys there keep busy.
To say we spend our $$ on packaging and hype. On a previous thread you bashed us for not having enough marketing. This is childish. I don't have time to spend all day on here so I'm sure there will be another 10 bashing posts from you, but who cares.
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Today 05:08 AM
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I like it so far! BURN Feels good! :O) Makes you think it is working! I'll update everyone also even though I paid full price!
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Today 05:25 AM
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We're not trying to ride the "yohimburn wave",
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Then can I ask you why the word "yohimburn" is a search engine meta tag on your website?
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One way we do this is no 5 page ads in Flex Magazine,
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The reason you don't have 5 page ads is that an ad like that is $50,000 a month with a 12 month commitment. I am going out on a limb here and guessing you don't have $600,000 to commit.
You started this whole thing with a lie posted by "skyler" that "I got some free samples of this new stuff at the gym and it works great". Skyler is an employee of protogenx, probably you, and made up the whole thing.
It is this kind of bullshit that makes it tough for people with legitimate products to do business. I don't blame people for not believing anyone about supps. The more I learn about you people the more I am convinced that 100 years ago you'd have been horse thieves.
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Today 05:38 AM
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What is the scientific rationale for these "spot reducers"?
In BodyOpus, Duchaine said that the only way to get yohimbe into the fatty areas for spot reduction was to inject it. I read elsewhere that the transdermal route was ineffective, because once absorbed (IF it was absorbed at all), it would be spread throughout your body by blood vessels -- effectively the same thing as taking yohimbe orally, and therefore negating any spot reduction.
Also, I remember that some french cream was shown to spot reduce only because it eliminated water (thereby making only a temporary difference), while another study using some kind of imaging (MRI/CAT?) showed some other spot reducer had no effect on adipose tissue at all.
So I'm just looking for the rationale behind these products, and why they will succeed where others failed. I'm holding out hope for a true product like this, but let's just say that over the past ten years I've spent a lot of money on "the next best thing" before each turned out to be junk...
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So I'm just looking for the rationale behind these products, and why they will succeed where others failed. I'm holding out hope for a true product like this, but let's just say that over the past ten years I've spent a lot of money on "the next best thing" before each turned out to be junk...
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come on dont give up yet, make ulter and macro millionaires first
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Today 06:30 AM
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You're somewhat right, the topical yohimbine products (and there's alot more than yohimburn and shredgel) can be hit and miss with many people for a variety of reasons, don't have time to get into them all this minute. But Duchaine did say that for a topical to be effective it would have to be "transdermal" and a powerful carrier at that to reach the fat cells. His first choice was injectable yohimbine, actually a vet. product out of mexico mixed with glucagon. This is why protogenex.com has used isopropyl myristate at a heavy concentration. Here's an old add for Dan's product:
Dan Duchaine's company, Essentials, Inc., has just come out with this new cream. Yo-Be-Lean is 12% yohimbine strength meaning that each 1/2 teaspoon application contains approximately 300mg of yohimbine.
Wow, That's a lot of yohimbine! Dan doesn't screw around. If yohimbine can get the alpha-2 adrenoreceptors to release fat from the lower body fat cells (buttocks, thigh and hip area "cellulite") as he believes, there has to be enough yohimbine in the cream to reach those fat cells through the skin barrier so it can do its job. Short of injecting yohimbine into those problem areas, this is probably the best solution.
Dan says Yo-Be-Lean "was based on the 1987 Greenway UCLA research showing girth reduction with topical applications of various compounds. Although the mass-market jumped on the aminophylline a few years back, it's my feeling that the size reduction was from a local diuretic effect. It appears that whatever fat reductions achieved with topical yohimbine, do not return upon cessation of the application."
Directions for use: After bath or shower, apply approximately 1/2 teaspoon on each thigh or buttock. Repeat before bed.
Get Dan Duchaine's Underground BodyOpus book today! Just $19.95! Dan explains the alpha-2 adrenoreceptors well in this book. He feels that these andreno-receptors are largely responsible for the lower body fat problem that many women have. Yo-Be-Lean is his solution!
NOTE: In order to lose body fat, you simply must be taking in less calories than you burn off. This cream is thought to help free up the fat in an area that is problematic for many women - and many men too! Without a proper diet, this cream will likely have no effect, since the body will not be in a fat burning mode. Use this product only in conjunction with an appropriate diet and exercise program.
Two other things to note, his high concetration of yoh. 300mg/per half teaspoon. I think Ulter questioned whether we could get 6,800 mg's into 8oz, which is only 70-80mg's/teaspoon, similar to their's I believe.
We also added the aminophylline for exactly the purpose above, to act as a local diuretic. Since the yoh. can cause water retention in areas applied, especially upon initial use. Oh and by the way, Dan used a couple of different types of alcohol in his product.
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well i'm posting this thread at elite also Post #20
and see what responces it gets----you guys can ask questions or what ever but slander comments should be kept off as the people will decide if its any good or not
as for suppliment themselves i think only a handfull are worth using and as JP said best---its a cut throat industry and if people want to use them then they should try to get the best value for those that work----so let the people decide and believe me they will
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