A question for the Chemists....

[jakson]

Regarding the Norma Hellas Deca Vials 2ml 100mg per ml. How is it possible for the 1.5 to 1.8 ml's that are "ACTUALLY" in the vials to hold the full amount of 200mgs Nandralone Decanoate?

Is the solution not saturated at that concentration? And if it is would it not be impossible for the solution to contain more than 100mg per ml?

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

same way 1cc of tren can go from 45mg-200mg. depends on what concentration the maker formulated it for.

 

[jakson]

same way 1cc of tren can go from 45mg-200mg. depends on what concentration the maker formulated it for.

Right, but when the bottle says 100mg per ml and there is only 1.65mls in there haw can it still be 200mg's?

People have been saying that although it is underdosed there is still the full amount of deca. I know the concentration of AS are not always accurate but I am curious from the standpoint of "am I getting ripped off?"

 

[sk*]

Right, but when the bottle says 100mg per ml and there is only 1.65mls in there haw can it still be 200mg's?

People have been saying that although it is underdosed there is still the full amount of deca. I know the concentration of AS are not always accurate but I am curious from the standpoint of "am I getting ripped off?"

They might not put enough oil in there but enough of the powder ...

-sk

 

[jakson]

They might not put enough oil in there but enough of the powder ...

How do you know this?

 

[sk*]

How do you know this?

I am saying it is a possibility of a way that they will have less ml concentration but it will equal to the mg stated on the bottle.

-sk

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

They might not put enough oil in there but enough of the powder ...

-sk

exactly what i am trying to say. the maker of the AAS has the mg amount of powder he wants in the 1cc, therefore no matter how much oil there is...there is still the mg amount of AAS powder. if he can fit it in less oil, then all the better for you. less oil to inject.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

How do you know this?

he's a fucking pyschic about this shit. don't doubt him. :havoc:

 

[jakson]

I am saying it is a possibility of a way that they will have less ml concentration but it will equal to the mg stated on the bottle.

I thought you might say that. I was hoping you knew someone that maybe had them tested or something along that line.

I here people are still getting good results out of them so I hope I'm not dissapointed. Last time I used Deca and test it was awesome but I hope I don't regret buying the Norma brand...

 

[jakson]

he's a fucking pyschic about this shit. don't doubt him.

I really hope your right on this one too!

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

I thought you might say that. I was hoping you knew someone that maybe had them tested or something along that line.

I here people are still getting good results out of them so I hope I'm not dissapointed. Last time I used Deca and test it was awesome but I hope I don't regret buying the Norma brand...

i'd buy yellow tops because i like to use the best i can get. but i have friends who love the normas. say they gained better than on sust or enanthate and what not. so i doubt it will be a problem. just shoot the shit and stop thinking about it. take a xanax to take your mind off of it.

 

[jakson]

Aighht fellas thanks for the moral support!

I feel alot more confident about these Norma's now. I already have been shooting it I took my second vial today!

 

[KINGKONG69]

I DONT UNDETSTAND.

Do you really think a real labs mixes oil together with the powder in each and every amp, or its mixed in larger batches at a concentration of 100mgs/ml, then dispenced into the amps. meaning, if you only get 1.5 mls, your only gettin 150mgs total.

 

[jakson]

Do you really think a real labs mixes oil together with the powder in each and every amp, or its mixed in larger batches at a concentration of 100mgs/ml, then dispenced into the amps. meaning, if you only get 1.5 mls, your only gettin 150mgs total.

Thats a good point.

Anyone have anything to say to that?

 

[sk*]

I DONT UNDETSTAND.

Do you really think a real labs mixes oil together with the powder in each and every amp, or its mixed in larger batches at a concentration of 100mgs/ml, then dispenced into the amps. meaning, if you only get 1.5 mls, your only gettin 150mgs total.

No, they don't do that. However, it's possible they didn't use enough oil in the total batch. I, particularly, wasn't impressed with the normas but many people are.

-sk

 

[JibbyJabba]

we have moved from beating, to raping the proverbial dead horse.

The bottomline - nobody knows for sure. One of those Normas could contain 200mgs of Nandrolone, as it could contain 150mgs... I realize that, intuitively, the latter seems more likely than the former. However, given that the majority of people on EF who have used them (save sk*), do not feel like they are dealing with an underdosed product because of exceptional results, it seems very likely that they do in fact contain the promised 200mgs.

But again...

The only way to know for certain is to get them tested. We can speculate for hours and start numerous more threads about it... But, there is only one way to find out for sure... it's only about $100 to get it tested. I would love to hear the results.

If you're worried, then you should get Yellow Tops, which are normally available whenever Normas are.

JJ

 

[JibbyJabba]

If you're worried, then you should get Yellow Tops, which are normally available whenever Normas are.

JJ

Let me qualify this... I've got a few European sources and they all offer both Normas and Organon Deca... I just assume that when one is available, the other normally is as well. Somebody let me know If I am wrong.

 

[jakson]

Let me qualify this... I've got a few European sources and they all offer both Normas and Organon Deca... I just assume that when one is available, the other normally is as well. Somebody let me know If I am wrong.

When I picked mine up it was all they had. But I do know another guy that had some of the Spectro brand Deca (and no it's not the fake shit) but it was morte expensive mg to mg so I went with the Normas. But who knows if it was worth it or not.

I'll have to wait a few more weeks before I decide the Norma's are good or Bad.

The last Ime I used the Spectro deca and it was good so we'll see.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

1. perhaps they are facke
2. perhaps they are underfilled
3. perhaps you not measuring correctly

 

[BIGB24]

Let me just beat that horse a little more. I agree the production is in large batch amounts. Now I do not know for a fact that this is the way it is done but when the solid is dissolve into a solution(ie. benzyl alchol or something to this effect) and the soltion is mixed with a sterile oil the volume of the two are not additive. That means for example if the manufacture mixes 100ml of benzyl alcohol solution with 100ml of oil the product is NOT 200ml. If you don't believe me try this with something simple like isopranol(rubbing alcohol ) and water. It has to due with some thermodynamic properties. Just take my word for it!
My guess is the dose are correct. The volume does not have to be 1ml necesarrily to get the correct dosage. Hope this helps alittle more.

 

[jakson]

macrophage69alpha,

that was the most useless post I have ever seen.

Perhaps your an idiot.....