3rd cycle...all Test, and lots of it!!!

[Razarsharp]

I'm hitting up about 500mg of prop/week for 3 weeks, then I'm throwing in 500mg of sust with the prop for 3 more weeks then going sust only at 750mg/week for the next 6 weeks. Thinking about going winny for 4 afterwards to help lean out any bloat and tighten up.

The question I have is, should I bump up to 1000mg/week? Should I down cycle my last 4 weeks (like 750, 500, 250, 250) before the winny? I've always had good success with test but I've never tried prop nor sust (only cyp and enath). Thanks bros!

 

[stimpy]

Shit Bro, 1000mg a week, your nuts are going to look like raisins! If you have that much gear on hand I'd lay off after the first cycle and do a second after your receptor sites recover. Am I wrong here guys?

 

[serge]

Shit Bro, 1000mg a week, your nuts are going to look like raisins! If you have that much gear on hand I'd lay off after the first cycle and do a second after your receptor sites recover. Am I wrong here guys?

oh my god, a whole 1g/test/week; a gram/test i can only imagine what that will do, the horible sides

all jokes aside, lets examine a typicle cycle ran by most users on here:

on the average would look something like this:

test 500mg/week
eq or deca 400mg/week
dbol 30mg/ed

500mg/test+400mg/deca+30mg/dbol*7( 7 days in one week)=500+400+210=1110mg/gear/week; and this would be considered mild cycle, yet its over 1g/gear/week

the user above is only running test at 1g/week and you are talking the end of the world, wake up its total gear/week that matter, and most on here run much much more the 1g/week

 

[FOZY]

I plan to use 1g of test a week for 9 weeks in NOv so why the FU*K not.............Only test sure you have cycled before you knopw how you react Im for it

 

[mrt]

1gr Test a week? This might be more than you can handle. Besides what are you gonna use in your 4th and 5th cycles? 1.5gr and 2gr? Try to make gains with 500 max 750mg/week, eat and rest well and you'll grow.

 

[McBane]

I understand you point about total gear/week but imo 500mg of test prop per week will prob give you pretty gains in itself. You can only gain so much on a cycle, no need to overload your body with gear, especially since it's your 3rd cycle. I'd stick to the 500mg of test prop/wk for 8 weeks see how that does you.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I would start the prop and sust at the same time.

Prop............150mg/EOD...........1-3
Sust.............750mg/wk...........1-9
clomid................................12-14
Arimidex-----.5mg/ED...........1-14

 

[serge]

I understand you point about total gear/week but imo 500mg of test prop per week will prob give you pretty gains in itself. You can only gain so much on a cycle, no need to overload your body with gear, especially since it's your 3rd cycle. I'd stick to the 500mg of test prop/wk for 8 weeks see how that does you.

true, but some users do need more gear then others to make the same gains, hence we got one bro that got all the way up to 260lb running only 400mg/test/week, will most make those kind of gains? probably not, but i feel as long as you stay with in 700mg-1.5g/week gear range you will be fine, and should be able to build a body you are looking for, on the other hand if you are looking to compete then its tome to power-UP

 

[stimpy]

Serge I gotta disagree. This is his third cycle! He'll just be wasting it.

 

[bigdelt69]

dude you are making this cycle way more complicated than it should be.

 

[Japanese machine]

Well 1g of gear seems a bit excessive to me. I mean its your 3rd cycle and you already using a gram of test? granted test is the only gear in your cycle, but surely you dont need that much, for test is probably the best androgenic/anabolic combo there is. But hey its YOUR cycle.

Just keep a strong E suppressor, and im sure youll have fun

 

[serge]

Serge I gotta disagree. This is his third cycle! He'll just be wasting it.

with the right diet he will not, half of test will go into saturating his receptor sites, the "spill-over" will induce very strong anti-catabolic effect

 

[IronFist]

Damn bro, 750mgs of test? Be careful

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Who are you guys? 1 gram of gear is fine, many on their 3rd are running waay more than that. It's cheap and effective, and not excessive at all IMO.

I'm hitting up about 500mg of prop/week for 3 weeks, then I'm throwing in 500mg of sust with the prop for 3 more weeks then going sust only at 750mg/week for the next 6 weeks. Thinking about going winny for 4 afterwards to help lean out any bloat and tighten up.

The question I have is, should I bump up to 1000mg/week? Should I down cycle my last 4 weeks (like 750, 500, 250, 250) before the winny? I've always had good success with test but I've never tried prop nor sust (only cyp and enath). Thanks bros!

Just swap it up man, start with the sust (@ 1gm a week) and a frontload (2 gm) the first week, till the 9th week (or earlier if you run out of sust) then switch to prop at 100mg ED for the next 3 weeks. Eat heavy, lift heavy and hard and you will grow. It's simple enough.

Oh yeah and use arimidex or fermara.

 

[hypershriek]

I have done high doses with not much effect keep it lowish, 750-1000mg

 

[mrt]

Re: Re: 3rd cycle...all Test, and lots of it!!!

Who are you guys? 1 gram of gear is fine, many on their 3rd are running waay more than that. It's cheap and effective, and not excessive at all IMO.



Just swap it up man, start with the sust (@ 1gm a week) and a frontload (2 gm) the first week, till the 9th week (or earlier if you run out of sust) then switch to prop at 100mg ED for the next 3 weeks. Eat heavy, lift heavy and hard and you will grow. It's simple enough.

Oh yeah and use arimidex or fermara.

What are you talking about, man? I hope you're not serious when suggesting a steroid novice to take 1gr of test with 2gr frontloading

STOP making insane and irresponsible suggestions to novices.

 

[IronFist]

Re: Re: Re: 3rd cycle...all Test, and lots of it!!!

What are you talking about, man? I hope you're not serious when suggesting a steroid novice to take 1gr of test with 2gr frontloading

STOP making insane and irresponsible suggestions to novices.

i don't find that insane at all...1 gram of gear a week isn't that much for a third cycles. A typical first cycle for most people is usually around 600-800mg of gear a week, so i don't find that to be outrageous or unsafe...

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Re: Re: Re: 3rd cycle...all Test, and lots of it!!!

What are you talking about, man? I hope you're not serious when suggesting a steroid novice to take 1gr of test with 2gr frontloading

STOP making insane and irresponsible suggestions to novices.

He's not a novice pal this is his 3rd cycle. And yes that's is exactly what I'm suggesting, and it is neither insane or irresponsible. Take a look at what serge said this is a great point (and saves me some typing):

"the average (cycle) would look something like this:

test 500mg/week
eq or deca 400mg/week
dbol 30mg/ed

500mg/test+400mg/deca+30mg/dbol*7( 7 days in one week)=500+400+210=1110mg/gear/week; and this would be considered mild cycle, yet its over 1g/gear/week"

the total mg, matters, so what if one cycle is just test and the other is 3 differnt AAS? It would matter if it was all Anadrol or Halo of course, but not with non-17aa's.

Lets get some stats on the guy, Razor give us your height, weight, age, previous cycles, some measurements and maybe some 1RM of the big lifts.

 

[Muscleguy40oz]

Bro in my oppinion i would not taper up the test...I would run it for 750 mgs for the whole cycle...I dont think you need to bump it up to 1g on your third cycle...i think that would just be a waste of test...Wait till later cycles to jump that high....

Muscleguy

 

[McBane]

I think what some are failing to realize though is that total gear/week isn't the main factor. The drugs used play a major role. How about doing 1gram of dbols in a week? By that reasoning there would be no difference between this and a 400mg of EQ and 600mg of test/week cycle.

The same analogy could be applied to recreational drugs. It's like saying that snorting a gram of coke is the same as smoking a gram of weed. Obviously they are not the same.

While as a general guideline the total gear/week may be a nice guideline, it is nothing more imo. What were your past cycles, how much did you gain off them? What are your stats (weight, height and bf estimate)?

If you have never done close to a gram of test you will not have a good idea of whether or not you will experience side effects. Imo it is best to ease into dosages, (i.e. first cycle maybe 500mg of test/week, 2nd cycle 600-800mg of test, 3rd cycle 800-1000mg of test that is if your goal is to buildup to 1g of test/week by your third cycle, imo for most this is overkill). If you haven't done close to this amount of gear before I would lower the dosages.

 

[mrt]

Dr.R.Banner,

First of all, in my book he is a steroid novice (that's not a bad thing we all have been there) he may not be a newbie but in order to be considered as a vet or experienced user you should have many more cycles under your belt whereas you tried many different drugs with different doses. We do not know anything about this guy, his stats, past experience, tolerance to sides, etc.

Serge was talking about total gear but you tell him to just take 1mg/week Sust (with 2mg frontload ) that's just simply too much with some one with his experience, you're talking about pro-level doses here. What will you suggest for him for his 4th-5th cycles????

We may all have different ideas about gear use and everybody may have different tolerances to ASS sides but we should be more conservative and careful when suggesting cycles people we don't know.

 

[serge]

I think what some are failing to realize though is that total gear/week isn't the main factor. The drugs used play a major role. How about doing 1gram of dbols in a week? By that reasoning there would be no difference between this and a 400mg of EQ and 600mg of test/week cycle.

ok, you just dove off the deep end, now whats more natural to you body dbol or test??? here is an easier one, what is more harmfull to you body, dbol or test???................clarification........

ALL AS are analogs of testostosterone, test is naturally present in your body, its made by your body, can you say the same about dbol? or eq for that matter? YOUR BODY CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYNTHETIC TEST INJECTED FROM THAT OF ITS OWN, but it can sure as hell see eq or dbol as an abnormality

now onto the finals point, would you grow more from 1g/test per week then you would from half that amount? NO DOUBT. Would the sides be more extreme to a significant degree? NOPE, you will still get your HPTA fucked on both doses, you will brakeout on 500mg just as much as 1g, your hair will fall out on 500mg just as much as it would on a gram as well.........along with all other things

PS, test does not exhibit half of the sides that orals like dbol do.

 

[mrt]

ok, you just dove off the deep end, now whats more natural to you body dbol or test??? here is an easier one, what is more harmfull to you body, dbol or test???................clarification........

ALL AS are analogs of testostosterone, test is naturally present in your body, its made by your body, can you say the same about dbol? or eq for that matter? YOUR BODY CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYNTHETIC TEST INJECTED FROM THAT OF ITS OWN, but it can sure as hell see eq or dbol as an abnormality

now onto the finals point, would you grow more from 1g/test per week then you would from half that amount? NO DOUBT. Would the sides be more extreme to a significant degree? NOPE, you will still get your HPTA fucked on both doses, you will brakeout on 500mg just as much as 1g, your hair will fall out on 500mg just as much as it would on a gram as well.........along with all other things

PS, test does not exhibit half of the sides that orals like dbol do.

I agree with most of what you wrote except you will have severer and faster negative sides if you double the doses...that's clear as a day. Some people maybe more tolerant to high doses but some will suffer. HPTA and hair loss is the least you should concern as the side effects, prostate, liver cancer, high cholestrol, stress on cardiovacular system and some more are the things you should be worrying.

 

[Stillgoing]

Fully recognizing this is likely not what anyone wants to hear, but, an alternate view point, I did probably 20 cycles over 10 years (some, however, were pre-contest and didn't include test) and never went over 250mg and made gains every single time. I guess it depends what your goals are, if its gains over the "long-run", a lot of it is a time game, do what keeps the sides down and maxes your ability to eat & train most effectively. For the long-run, cycling should be a "two steps forward, one step back" game. Additionally, regardless of your dosage, it takes a certain amount of time to develop muscle maturity, deep definition, etc. You can speed that up only so much.....

 

[serge]

I agree with most of what you wrote except you will have severer and faster negative sides if you double the doses...that's clear as a day

that is still debatable, every user reacts differently to drugs, i have seen both sides of the spectrum, i know big boys that can take 3+ of test/week no anti-e's and get no gyno, recently i have VITNCESED a user run 500mg/test/week along with nolvas and proviron (nolv and proviron were top notch) and got a nice set of twins, im talking big ones. as far as HPTA, some recover in mare 2-3 weeks after the heaviest cycles others will take months from half as much.............my recomendation was based on the assumption that our trainee at hand know how his body reacts to gear by now, frankly if he did not have ANY problems running 500mg/test/week its very unlikely that he will experience any problems with a gram

LIVER cancer is NOT a concern with test, you should know that by now..........the ONLY anabolic androgenic steroid that was linked to liver cancer is ANADROL50 (at clinical doses; which are 5mg per killo of bodyweight, hence a tipical 220lb person would be administered 500mg of anadrol50 per DAY........you can verifiy that at anadrol.com)

HIGH cholesterol can be avoided through proper diet/supplementation (ask beezer he runs monthly bloodwork, along with his 1g/test/week)

High blood pressure is induced by sodium retension, can be avoided by taking anti-aromatise to combat water retension

stress on cardio vascular system is caused by high chol. and is adressed already, also excersising alone will help with that

 

[serge]

Fully recognizing this is likely not what anyone wants to hear, but, an alternate view point, I did probably 20 cycles over 10 years (some, however, were pre-contest and didn't include test) and never went over 250mg and made gains every single time. I guess it depends what your goals are, if its gains over the "long-run", a lot of it is a time game, do what keeps the sides down and maxes your ability to eat & train most effectively. For the long-run, cycling should be a "two steps forward, one step back" game. Additionally, regardless of your dosage, it takes a certain amount of time to develop muscle maturity, deep definition, etc. You can speed that up only so much.....

250mg/gear/week? or just test? what about the rest of the stack? its not just test that counts, all other gear counts too you know

if you made good gains from running 250mg/gear/week then more power to you, but VAST MAJORITY simply lacks those kind of genetics

 

[Dr.RobertBanner]

Dr.R.Banner,

First of all, in my book he is a steroid novice (that's not a bad thing we all have been there) he may not be a newbie but in order to be considered as a vet or experienced user you should have many more cycles under your belt whereas you tried many different drugs with different doses. We do not know anything about this guy, his stats, past experience, tolerance to sides, etc.

Serge was talking about total gear but you tell him to just take 1mg/week Sust (with 2mg frontload ) that's just simply too much with some one with his experience, you're talking about pro-level doses here. What will you suggest for him for his 4th-5th cycles????

We may all have different ideas about gear use and everybody may have different tolerances to ASS sides but we should be more conservative and careful when suggesting cycles people we don't know.

A novice is a begginer, and assuming his first two cycles were well thought out and he trained hard, he probably has at least 30lbs of new muscle from them, I hardly consider that a begginer. And he's never going to know how he reacts to different doses and drugs if he doesn't try them. Of course gradually working up is the key, but if he's used 500-750mg, 1000mg isn't much of a jump at all. I agree though, knowing some stats and tolerances on the guy would be helpful.

1gm of test a week (all by itself) pro level?!? Lol, no way. Maybe 2-4gm of test with orals and another injectable at around a gm. Why does that frontload wig you out anyway? It just gets blood levels up quicker where they would be by mid-cycle anyway, not higher. Maybe you aren't familiar with it or haven't stopped to think about it, but it certainly isn't crazy or farfetched.

I think serge really hit it on the head with this:

"YOUR BODY CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SYNTHETIC TEST INJECTED FROM THAT OF ITS OWN, but it can sure as hell see eq or dbol as an abnormality

now onto the finals point, would you grow more from 1g/test per week then you would from half that amount? NO DOUBT. Would the sides be more extreme to a significant degree? NOPE, you will still get your HPTA fucked on both doses, you will brakeout on 500mg just as much as 1g, your hair will fall out on 500mg just as much as it would on a gram as well.........along with all other things

PS, test does not exhibit half of the sides that orals like dbol do."

The only thing he'll get jumping from a 500mg to a gram is more gains (assuming eating and training are sufficeint) if he controls estrogen with arimidex or fermara.

 

[serge]

One whole gram of test? Oh no, run for your lives.

start writting your WILL

 

[mrt]

OK, I give up, I may not be macho enough or even be a sissy when it comes to dosages, but I'll never see AAS as harmless as Aspirin like some of you claim and stick to my conservative doses.

 

[serge]

OK, I give up, I may not be macho enough or even be a sissy when it comes to dosages, but I'll never see AAS as harmless as Aspirin like some of you claim and stick to my conservative doses.

its all about the goals and the gains, if you can gain from 300mg/gear/week it would be just plain out stupid for you to take more, some need to take more to keep growing, some less

its all about what works for you