2nd cycle please critique or tell me your thoughts

[cferrara87]

Hey guys, as it states up above, I am about to start my second cycle and wanted to get some thoughts and or corrections to what I will be running. Quick stats about myself 27 years old, 180 pounds, 6 foot 2 inches, BF at 8 or 9% lifting seriously now about 4 years with great nutrition plan, but have been lifting weights and training since i was 16 for sports. Played semi-pro soccer in US and Europe, now i play ice hockey and am focusing on body building. Here is what my cycle plan is looking like unless someone can help me clean it up to perfection Appreciate the input from experienced knowledgeable users

D-bol 50 mg weeks 1-4

Test 400 (Propionate 45mg, phenylpropinate 90 mg, isocaproate 90mg, decanoate 175mg) M/Th .5ml injections weeks 1-12

Masteron proprionate 200mg M/Th .5ml inections week 1-12

PCT
Clomid 50\50\50\50 weeks 14-16

Nolva 40\20\20\20 weeks 14-16

 

[RickRock13]

I don't think it makes sense to run Masteron and Dbol together. They are counterproductive to one another. Go with a more dry oral to kickstart with like Oxndrovar at 2 caps per day.

Use N2guard on cycle and aromasin at 12.5mg EOD

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[meathead96]

Never run anything with a prop ester just twice a week. Need to go EOD minimum. I second the use of n2guard and aromasin on cycle and I do agree that oxandrovar would be a much better option with these compounds. Check out the PCT here...The Perfect Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) - Evolutionary.org

 

[cferrara87]

what about the dosages am i shooting enough or too much for test 400? For the masteron should i shoot .5ml eod or 3.5ml?

 

[Makaveli Tha Don]

If my math is right you are only shooting 400mg of test a week. I'd go higher than that personally. 500 at least. Might be easier to go 600 with the way your gear is dosed.

 

[dylangemelli]

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i have a far more suitable substitution for dbol for you bro... you have excellent stats... dont ruin them with dbol use... try superbolic as it will have the same profound amounts of mass gain without the estrogen and water retention... here is a far more optimal layout for you...

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1-12 mast prop 200 mg eod

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[EZ_E]

Bump Rick, Meat, & Dylan....great tweeks, love the suggestions

 

[cferrara87]

If my math is right you are only shooting 400mg of test a week. I'd go higher than that personally. 500 at least. Might be easier to go 600 with the way your gear is dosed.

Yeah your math is right. I think im going to switch to Test 400 .5ml eod that will be 600mg a week
and the masteron .5 eod as well which will be 300mg . this will keep the vials on track and make it simple to measure out while giving good results. WIN WIN WIN

 

[stevesmi]

and please work on that pct.. its the classic 1988 PCT, this is the year 2014. http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/p...est-pct-2014-time-break-out-whip-1328483.html

 

[cferrara87]

yeah definitely adding to it. Want to come out with all my gains and return my body back to normal

 

[Goliath1]

Osta is stupid period..
Osta in pct is stupider..
Osta at 25mg in pct is stupidest..

Those other supps listed are a waste of money an total bs..

Straight shit advice from top to bottom in here..

 

[EZ_E]

Osta is stupid period..
Osta in pct is stupider..
Osta at 25mg in pct is stupidest..

Those other supps listed are a waste of money an total bs..

Straight shit advice from top to bottom in here..

So your suggestion for PCT is?

 

[cferrara87]

Osta is stupid period..
Osta in pct is stupider..
Osta at 25mg in pct is stupidest..

Those other supps listed are a waste of money an total bs..

Straight shit advice from top to bottom in here..

can i get some good advice then? or what you think is best?

 

[Goliath1]

Your pct is fine, I'd taper off of those serms a bit better and add an AI in to avoid rebound...

You can add in some natty products if you choose but it's not necessary along with that other list of peptides and overpriced garbage..

I'll use natty products in pct sometimes but only because I'll get them for free from companies to try or log or from other reps..

Osta is suppressive and any other advice you get saying otherwise is wrong. The whole point of pct is to recover and maintain, so why take a product that will keep you suppressed or not add to your recovery.. The gains you'll get from Osta on a solo cycle are pointless anyway, if your going to be suppressed just run a full cycle..

 

[hurricane]

Hey guys, as it states up above, I am about to start my second cycle and wanted to get some thoughts and or corrections to what I will be running. Quick stats about myself 27 years old, 180 pounds, 6 foot 2 inches, BF at 8 or 9% lifting seriously now about 4 years with great nutrition plan, but have been lifting weights and training since i was 16 for sports. Played semi-pro soccer in US and Europe, now i play ice hockey and am focusing on body building. Here is what my cycle plan is looking like unless someone can help me clean it up to perfection Appreciate the input from experienced knowledgeable users

D-bol 50 mg weeks 1-4

Test 400 (Propionate 45mg, phenylpropinate 90 mg, isocaproate 90mg, decanoate 175mg) M/Th .5ml injections weeks 1-12

Masteron proprionate 200mg M/Th .5ml inections week 1-12

PCT
Clomid 50\50\50\50 weeks 14-16

Nolva 40\20\20\20 weeks 14-16

there is no reason what so ever to be running mast & dbol during the same weeks, they will be fighting to accomplish totally different goals