22 too young for dbol?

[mvg17]

Hey guys, so I have read almost all the forums and book but always mixed views on dbol oral cycle and its safety for my age etc. can you guys help me with this? My stats are age 21 turning 22 in a month or two and been training for almost 4 years. Stats are
height:6'2
weight: 176 lbs
bf%: 5.5
it seems like it's impossible to get further development as a natty other than strength increments. And yess I do count my calories everyday and I like to do so but it seems like it has reached its peak and does not develop anymore past half year or so other than fat. So I read on a book that recommends pyramiding oral dbol with Nolva everyday just in case and then doing pct as well for 8 weeks. Would this be really detrimental for my because of my age? Yes I know a lot of water gain will happen but so what? You can't loose the muscle that you worked hard for unless you get really huge which can't happen with this cycle and would take years more hard work and dedication and need the support of steroids to keep them. So can you guys please help me out with deciding especially clarifying important points with the age factor. And what would you guys recommend for pct? cause as i have stated i am thinking nolvadex everyday with dbol (10mg) just in-case. And when done, i was considering
1st day: 60 mg
2-11: 40 mg
12-21: 20 mg

i would also like to know how much weight did you guys gain and how much were you able to keep? did you pct? did you workout as hard as possible while trying to be accurately as possible with calories? And my other question is for all is, would people who see me everyday take notice of this weight fluctuation and go like wtf is going on?And as for the occupation if you guys may ask, I am a med student. So I would appreciate if you guys let me know if this would or could affect my studying as well. Thx for taking your time to help, really appreciate it

And no i don't look small unless i wear a sweater....honestly i "stop" myself from eating. I love to eat, hence that's why i count the calories... from gaining extra fat, and i am pretty good at it. When i don't count, which i tried few times when i go back to my parents house, i gain around 2-3 kg in less than a week. And yeah that's my problem i started to go on this route to look "big". now i look shredded and beach ready, get asked for help on bodybuilding from everyone that meets me (unless i wear a sweater or longshirt, cause than i look small af ) maybe good for a natty model but... i don't like it and i don't want to get fat either for a lot of health reasons. Thus, as a natty you CANT be BIG and LEAN as in low bf not around 10-15%, its a fkin lie, you just cant. maybe 1 in a million and i still highly doubt it. Biggest things i am scared of in dbol cycle is: ruining natural test levels permanently (is it possible?), and my parents and friends saying wtf is going on (as in, does water weight come of ridiculously fast?), cause as a med student, i know they will judge me really harshly as i always advocate "health" first

 

[Stackinplates]

Just browsed ur post.... I'm driving at the moment but I can tell ya if ur trying to gain weight u should not be counting calories at all

Eat dude !!!!don't do dbol at 22

 

[Stackinplates]

If ur 5% at that weight I can stand to put in a bit of fat man

U gotta know to get big ur gonna need to put on the fat with the muscle if ur scared of fat ur not gonna get huge

 

[mvg17]

Just browsed ur post.... I'm driving at the moment but I can tell ya if ur trying to gain weight u should not be counting calories at all

Eat dude !!!!don't do dbol at 22

thx for ur reply but eating more than enough will not "increase" muscle growth, i already eat enough thus minimize fat gain, and if i am gaining fat even if its minimal, it means its more than enough. And can you support why i should not dbol at 22 with clear evidence cause i would love to be convinced not to, it will save me a lot of money

 

[Sandman93]

I'm pretty sure there are tons of people here at age 22 that have used dbol with a cycle. Including myself. No harm done as long as ur taking liver protection and n2guard. Obviously it may not be the ideal age but in the end it's a very popular substance used in many of people's first or second cycle. Just my opinion.

 

[mvg17]

I'm pretty sure there are tons of people here at age 22 that have used dbol with a cycle. Including myself. No harm done as long as ur taking liver protection and n2guard. Obviously it may not be the ideal age but in the end it's a very popular substance used in many of people's first or second cycle. Just my opinion.

can you tell me what your experience was like? most importantly were you experienced (few years of training and seriously about it) before you used it and did proper pct? how much did you gain, lost and net gain? And most most importantly.... did you feel anything different in a bad way about your libido after pct?

 

[Stackinplates]

It just blows my mind that a guy at 22 can't gain muscle with proper diet and training I don't care if u have been training for a wile ur natural gh and test levels are high

Have u ever got ur bloodwork do u know all ur hormone levels ?

I mean if this is gonna be a thread with young guys talking about there dbol cycle by all means I will leave it to yall but if u want advice from a man that is currently on Trt cuz of prior abuse at a young age then I can assist

Not everyone is the same I understand that

But OP if u really want help them let's get started !!

Post ur diet ... And ur training please ....



All I gotta say is no reason a man can't get to 180-200 lbs naturally it just takes time
But at ur stats u need to know ur gonna have to put on fat with ur muscle don't be scared to do so

Abs on a skinny guy are like tits on a fat chick
Nothing attractive about it

 

[Stackinplates]

I see ur at almost 180

Can u not get anymore at all

What all have u don't to confuse it body


Carb back loading ?

Time under tension training ?

Pyramid sets?? drop sets???

 

[mvg17]

It just blows my mind that a guy at 22 can't gain muscle with proper diet and training I don't care if u have been training for a wile ur natural gh and test levels are high

Have u ever got ur bloodwork do u know all ur hormone levels ?

I mean if this is gonna be a thread with young guys talking about there dbol cycle by all means I will leave it to yall but if u want advice from a man that is currently on Trt cuz of prior abuse at a young age then I can assist

Not everyone is the same I understand that

But OP if u really want help them let's get started !!

Post ur diet ... And ur training please ....



All I gotta say is no reason a man can't get to 180-200 lbs naturally it just takes time
But at ur stats u need to know ur gonna have to put on fat with ur muscle don't be scared to do so

Abs on a skinny guy are like tits on a fat chick
Nothing attractive about it

now you are talking, i sure will and you started to make me start think harder i may not need it. but before i post everything, can you tell me how you ended up with trt abusing etc because i really would love to be convinced otherwise and after that i will try to write down everything here

 

[mvg17]

I see ur at almost 180

Can u not get anymore at all

What all have u don't to confuse it body


Carb back loading ?

Time under tension training ?

Pyramid sets?? drop sets???

i did all of them, hence i have and had fun trying all these things and i dont think muscle confusion etc matters although i did everything

 

[Stackinplates]

Look at it like this I used gear and hard drugs for years but honestly where I think I went wrong was doing orals often and not doing pct all the time

My test levels at 28 were 193 super low

But that could be attributed to many things

All I gotta say is this
U seem very worried about natural test levels and u "getting big to fast "

Check it out if ur so worried about that stuff why risk it

There are always sides with gear maybe some are more for others but no one knows until u try
Ppl can give u advice and u have to take the risk vs reward approach

So ask urself this

If I take d Bol and gain 15-20 I could possibly

A ) get gyno
B ) have low test levels for a wile after cycle even with pct
C) have no sex drive
D) have emotional issues
E) loose gains

Or u can take it and all will be ok

U gotta ask urself are u scared to have to experience those things?

Cuz if u are ur not ready

U either read up on it more and make a executive decision

Or you listen to some of the guys on here that will chime in and give more advice

I am currently 196 lbs at about 8-9% bf

All I know if if I were you I would just put on some hardcore death metal and get crazy in the gym eat lift and wait

Ur gonna bust through this

How long have u been at ur plateau and have u ever got bloodwork ?

I think even for guys at your age bloodwork is key to know where ur body is

 

[mvg17]

Look at it like this I used gear and hard drugs for years but honestly where I think I went wrong was doing orals often and not doing pct all the time

My test levels at 28 were 193 super low

But that could be attributed to many things

All I gotta say is this
U seem very worried about natural test levels and u "getting big to fast "

Check it out if ur so worried about that stuff why risk it

There are always sides with gear maybe some are more for others but no one knows until u try
Ppl can give u advice and u have to take the risk vs reward approach

So ask urself this

If I take d Bol and gain 15-20 I could possibly

A ) get gyno
B ) have low test levels for a wile after cycle even with pct
C) have no sex drive
D) have emotional issues
E) loose gains

Or u can take it and all will be ok

U gotta ask urself are u scared to have to experience those things?

Cuz if u are ur not ready

U either read up on it more and make a executive decision

Or you listen to some of the guys on here that will chime in and give more advice

I am currently 196 lbs at about 8-9% bf

All I know if if I were you I would just put on some hardcore death metal and get crazy in the gym eat lift and wait

Ur gonna bust through this

How long have u been at ur plateau and have u ever got bloodwork ?

I think even for guys at your age bloodwork is key to know where ur body is

i did not get any bloodwork done. I never really had a "plateau", my strength is increasing but my increase in mass is always in fat or some sort (i may be wrong, or psychologically conditioned to see it that way hence i may have convinced myself that i need dbol but idk that), and i got on this route to be BIG and LEAN i was skinny when i started like a toothpick, made it all the way to 210 now cut the fat out so left with 176. Now i look LEAN and ATHLETIC, but not big as i want to yeah everyone admires it but i just want to do more. And wouldn't nolva block all those gyno problems? and wouldnt all those other problems be able to recover on its own if they happen or would they be permanent? And i never really seen any emotional issues etc on dbol, does that happen cause that can dramatically affect my education etc. And i really would love to be able to get to around 190 hovering around 8% bf, so maybe this is another reason i may have been wanting to use it, to get there faster and then just concentrate on strength.

 

[mvg17]

And for training i train at least 5 days a week sometime 6 or 7 (depending on how i feel, i rate myself) and always have fun while training and keeping record of everything. I have tendency to be really organized, uptight and give it my best about everything i do so i record everything i lift and eat. And although i am progressing its not good as i want it to etc. So i thought if 1 cycle of this can result me in a net gain of around 10 lbs after PCT, in 12 weeks... it would be amazing

 

[Stackinplates]

Well u seem to have done it right the first time 200+ lbs then cut down

U gotta know that at ur age and training ur gonna bro it takes time

I assure ya the gains u will get naturally with be so much better than the dbol


It is hard to play the waiting game but honestly it's worth it !!!think about a cycle when ur over 25

As far as emotional sides it's very real

I will tell ya my journey on Trt has been long and hard .. U have to get all ur hormones balanced and the dbol will throw them for a loop some ppl can deal with it and some can't

But look at it like this say ur test levels like to be at 800 and estrogen likes to be at 26 it unstDt to play around with those numbers without bloodwork u will not know where to get ur body u can be depressed emotional ur endocrine system plays major role in mood and feeling

If ur in school and doing well like u say u are I would lay off the gear

I got to 188 naturally and was 10% before I started

U gotta know fitness and bodybuilding is a life long journey don't rush it save ur "tools" (gear ) for when u really need it ..


I know u don't wanna hear this but it's he truth

Yes ur body will prob bounce back after a dbol cycle but is it worth the risk ? For ur study's and your future right now I say not

And most will say u can keep ur dbol gains but for PPP that are not experienced it's hard

Better option for first cycle is test when the time is ready

But in the end u gotta do what u wanna do its ur body ur life

Check it out ur gonna see that fat come up and be like wtf where is he muscle

It's gonna happen the muscle is there ur just not gonna see it as quick as u want to


Post up ur diet really fast

 

[mvg17]

Well u seem to have done it right the first time 200+ lbs then cut down

U gotta know that at ur age and training ur gonna bro it takes time

I assure ya the gains u will get naturally with be so much better than the dbol


It is hard to play the waiting game but honestly it's worth it !!!think about a cycle when ur over 25

As far as emotional sides it's very real

I will tell ya my journey on Trt has been long and hard .. U have to get all ur hormones balanced and the dbol will throw them for a loop some ppl can deal with it and some can't

But look at it like this say ur test levels like to be at 800 and estrogen likes to be at 26 it unstDt to play around with those numbers without bloodwork u will not know where to get ur body u can be depressed emotional ur endocrine system plays major role in mood and feeling

If ur in school and doing well like u say u are I would lay off the gear

I got to 188 naturally and was 10% before I started

U gotta know fitness and bodybuilding is a life long journey don't rush it save ur "tools" (gear ) for when u really need it ..


I know u don't wanna hear this but it's he truth

Yes ur body will prob bounce back after a dbol cycle but is it worth the risk ? For ur study's and your future right now I say not

And most will say u can keep ur dbol gains but for PPP that are not experienced it's hard

Better option for first cycle is test when the time is ready

But in the end u gotta do what u wanna do its ur body ur life

Check it out ur gonna see that fat come up and be like wtf where is he muscle

It's gonna happen the muscle is there ur just not gonna see it as quick as u want to


Post up ur diet really fast

188 at 10% is pretty close to 176 at 5.5% and i see what you are saying but you said "Yes ur body will prob bounce back after a dbol cycle but is it worth the risk ? For ur study's and your future right now I say not And most will say u can keep ur dbol gains but for PPP that are not experienced it's hard" what do you mean by PPP, and my body be able to bounce back fully? maybe if i cycle after exams in my summer it wont affect my studies?

 

[Evan Tipps]

Hey guys, so I have read almost all the forums and book but always mixed views on dbol oral cycle and its safety for my age etc. can you guys help me with this? My stats are age 21 turning 22 in a month or two and been training for almost 4 years. Stats are

height:6'2

weight: 176 lbs

bf%: 5.5

it seems like it's impossible to get further development as a natty other than strength increments. And yess I do count my calories everyday and I like to do so but it seems like it has reached its peak and does not develop anymore past half year or so other than fat. So I read on a book that recommends pyramiding oral dbol with Nolva everyday just in case and then doing pct as well for 8 weeks. Would this be really detrimental for my because of my age? Yes I know a lot of water gain will happen but so what? You can't loose the muscle that you worked hard for unless you get really huge which can't happen with this cycle and would take years more hard work and dedication and need the support of steroids to keep them. So can you guys please help me out with deciding especially clarifying important points with the age factor. And what would you guys recommend for pct? cause as i have stated i am thinking nolvadex everyday with dbol (10mg) just in-case. And when done, i was considering

1st day: 60 mg

2-11: 40 mg

12-21: 20 mg



i would also like to know how much weight did you guys gain and how much were you able to keep? did you pct? did you workout as hard as possible while trying to be accurately as possible with calories? And my other question is for all is, would people who see me everyday take notice of this weight fluctuation and go like wtf is going on?And as for the occupation if you guys may ask, I am a med student. So I would appreciate if you guys let me know if this would or could affect my studying as well. Thx for taking your time to help, really appreciate it



And no i don't look small unless i wear a sweater....honestly i "stop" myself from eating. I love to eat, hence that's why i count the calories... from gaining extra fat, and i am pretty good at it. When i don't count, which i tried few times when i go back to my parents house, i gain around 2-3 kg in less than a week. And yeah that's my problem i started to go on this route to look "big". now i look shredded and beach ready, get asked for help on bodybuilding from everyone that meets me (unless i wear a sweater or longshirt, cause than i look small af ) maybe good for a natty model but... i don't like it and i don't want to get fat either for a lot of health reasons. Thus, as a natty you CANT be BIG and LEAN as in low bf not around 10-15%, its a fkin lie, you just cant. maybe 1 in a million and i still highly doubt it. Biggest things i am scared of in dbol cycle is: ruining natural test levels permanently (is it possible?), and my parents and friends saying wtf is going on (as in, does water weight come of ridiculously fast?), cause as a med student, i know they will judge me really harshly as i always advocate "health" first

Should be fine but if your worried about fat why go with dbol? Better control that estro!

 

[Stackinplates]

Auto corect PPP was meant to be people


Like stated above keeping ur estrogen in check will dictate ur fat gain


Why not a test cycle?

Why are u dead set on dbol ? Scared of needles ?

 

[mvg17]

Auto corect PPP was meant to be people


Like stated above keeping ur estrogen in check will dictate ur fat gain


Why not a test cycle?

Why are u dead set on dbol ? Scared of needles ?

i wanted to go on dbol for 8 weeks (40-50mg ed) plus nolva plus pct with nolva etc, because even though its hepatotoxic, my liver would most likely be ok as long as i don't do combined toxicity which is using more than one hepatotoxic drug at once which then would require me to monitor my liver closely. Hence i never had and don't drink anyways there is nothing else that is toxic. And about testosterone, yes i know males need it etc lol, but never really thought deeply about it which is good that i came here. So why do i need to supplement with test? Isn't dbol enough on it own (its the exam season i have not looked deeply into it please write a brief explanation ) And i was/am really hesitant about injecting, don't know how, and afraid of making mistakes with it, and would not want to inject anywhere else than gluts where it can be seen cause i only want to do 1 or max 2 cycles. wouldnt test+dbol be worse for me as in side effects?

 

[stevesmi]

all dbol will do is just add water to your frame and move the scale.. when you come off it will go away. I say this because you are 6 2 and only 176 pounds. so I don't care how much you think you are eating right, you are NOT. you need to fix your diet and train better or steroids will be a waste.

2 years of training is nothing literally if your training is shit. look around, most guys at the gym train like old ladies, its the 10% of guys or less that actually know how to train that get results with or without steroids

and at 22 with 2 years under your belt and those stats there is zero chance you train anywhere close to where you need to

 

[Stackinplates]

all dbol will do is just add water to your frame and move the scale.. when you come off it will go away. I say this because you are 6 2 and only 176 pounds. so I don't care how much you think you are eating right, you are NOT. you need to fix your diet and train better or steroids will be a waste.

2 years of training is nothing literally if your training is shit. look around, most guys at the gym train like old ladies, its the 10% of guys or less that actually know how to train that get results with or without steroids

and at 22 with 2 years under your belt and those stats there is zero chance you train anywhere close to where you need to

Steve is right ..
That's why I asked ya to post ur diet up.. Still have not seen it

Also do u have a training partner cuz if u really are serious about ur growth a partner is key
U need that spot to help u go past failure
When I'm in the bench and I have no being left I push past the I have nothing with my partner we go beyond failure !!!! The I can't hit another rep even if u have a loaded gun to my head

So are u gonna post up ur diet ?

 

[mvg17]

Steve is right ..
That's why I asked ya to post ur diet up.. Still have not seen it

Also do u have a training partner cuz if u really are serious about ur growth a partner is key
U need that spot to help u go past failure
When I'm in the bench and I have no being left I push past the I have nothing with my partner we go beyond failure !!!! The I can't hit another rep even if u have a loaded gun to my head

So are u gonna post up ur diet ?

ok i cant really post my diet because its not fixed. I use myfitnesspall and scale basically everyday i get 25-30% pro 40-50%carb 30-35% fat and i keep calories clean, unless if i met and ate clean the whole i may treat myself a nice desert that i was craving before sleep. Calorie wise ive been experimenting, did around 4k, wayyyy tooo much fat, averaged around 3.5 still a lot of fat, 3.2 lower but still fat gain, now around 2.8-3 seems to be the sweet spot for minimal fat. Keep in mind i do calorie cycling, as in i set minimal calorie and then adjust based on workout etc.

Some additional important info i liked what i have learned thus fat and yes i will take my time to learn more but i really couldn't dive into all the information cause of my exams and even if i do decide i was gonna start in 2 month not as of yet in school season etc. But i think i am convinced that i should do oral dbol only without test thanks to you guys. And i am starting to think may be i am too young, isn't the average test levels for my age around 700-800? My biggest fear is would test e+dbol cycle permanently decrease it? I wanted to start in 2 months because this is the ONLY time off from school ill get in 6 years for 4 months with parents before going overseas for strict medical school and training to become cardio surgeon, which would mean that there is no way i will be able to concentrate on these things at all for minimum 6 years (i will ofc be working out, but solely concentrating on lifting with AAS would not be possible or feasible), especially with the comfort of high quality meals with parents. and i just want to make the most of it... if you guys can give me any additional tips considering this, it would really appreciated

and please refer me to anything you guys would think would be the best for cycle, injection and tips... as i just noticed i am going to be and been shadowing doctor/doctors cutting people up and doing surgery. i SHOULD be able to NEEDLE myself, because not being able to felt pretty embarrassing and funny to myself after considering all the facts

 

[Stackinplates]

Like I said the first time I don't think ur ready to cycle

How can u not post up ur diet??

Send me what u are today

Meal 1- 6 or however many u eat it's simple

I don't need exact numbers

I will not recommend a cycle to ya cuz I feel ur

1) not old enough
2) have excuses as to why I can research because you're too busy this forum is to help ppl not spoon feed them .. (No attitude intended there )
3) don't think you have all ur ducks in row with training and diet
Because u keep beating around the bush with the question on diet

 

[mvg17]

Like I said the first time I don't think ur ready to cycle

How can u not post up ur diet??

Send me what u are today

Meal 1- 6 or however many u eat it's simple

I don't need exact numbers

I will not recommend a cycle to ya cuz I feel ur

1) not old enough
2) have excuses as to why I can research because you're too busy this forum is to help ppl not spoon feed them .. (No attitude intended there )
3) don't think you have all ur ducks in row with training and diet
Because u keep beating around the bush with the question on diet

i dont know how to translate the food names, and this is not letting me post pics of myfitnesspal

 

[Stackinplates]

Translate food names?

Check ur inbox

 

[ALIN]

Just browsed ur post.... I'm driving at the moment but I can tell ya if ur trying to gain weight u should not be counting calories at all

Eat dude !!!!don't do dbol at 22

AGREED!! EAT BIG,,TRAIN BIG!!! Also get your natural hormone levels tested.
At 22 yrs old I would imagine they are higher than you may think.

 

[Elvia1023]

thx for ur reply but eating more than enough will not "increase" muscle growth, i already eat enough thus minimize fat gain, and if i am gaining fat even if its minimal, it means its more than enough. And can you support why i should not dbol at 22 with clear evidence cause i would love to be convinced not to, it will save me a lot of money

Can you post pics please. If you were really 5.5% bf how could you ever know if increasing food wouldn't build more muscle for you. No one can put any noticeable amount of muscle on if they stay anywhere near 5.5% for extended periods of time. If you count calories and restrict yourself that will always stop you putting on big muscle. Sure stick to a plan but guys concerned with gaining any fat will always struggle to put large amounts of muscle on. I am not saying get fat... far from it... you can remain lean and put on small amounts of quality muscle through time. But 5.5% bf is ridiculously low and I think 95% of people are way off when it comes to bf %. Post pics and we can let you know an approx. bf for you.

Regarding your question you can do what you want. I always say 23 is the min age someone should start using aas. The are always exceptions but 23 is a good age... although only if they have been training many years and have a good plan in place. Why would his advice save you a lot of money... dbol is cheaper than a tub of protein powder. If that is a lot of money to you I would recommend not using it as you should have enough to be able to eat quality food throughout the day.

I just read some of the other posts in this thread. The guys are right. Dbol will feel amazing when you are on it... miracle drug. When you stop it watch all that water disappear as fast as it came. Also if you are going to taper start low and build up over time. Nolva shouldn't be used during your cycle... that is for pct. Exemestane should be used during your cycle.

I would forget about the dbol for now and concentrate on building some muscle whilst staying lean. In the future I would look into a test e cycle for 10-12 weeks with a dbol kick start for 4 weeks.