Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

2012: Year of the Libertarian?

binö

Rob of Redford
Platinum
As 2011 draws to a close, I wonder: Is freedom winning? Did America become freer this year? Less free? How about the rest of the world?

I’m a pessimist. I fear Thomas Jefferson was right when he said, “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.” That’s what’s happened. Bush and Obama doubled spending and increased regulation. Government’s intrusiveness is always more, never less. The state grows, and freedom declines.

But there were bright spots. We don’t yet know what will become of what people call the Arab Spring. But this year, for the first time in my life, there was hope that masses of people in the Middle East will embrace liberalism -- in the original sense of people being left alone to pursue their own lives.

Another possible bright spot: President Obama declared the war in Iraq over. I don’t believe it because 17,000 embassy personnel remain, but at least he’s saying it, and troops have left. Some will also leave Afghanistan. But I'm confused. Obama was elected partly because he promised to end the wars. But then he almost tripled the number of American soldiers in Afghanistan, from 35,000 to 100,000.

I'm pessimistic about America going bankrupt, like Greece, thanks to ballooning spending on entitlements like Medicare. But terms of debate can change quickly. This spring, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan (R) presented a timid plan that would have slowed the growth of government slightly. Even Republicans went bonkers. Newt Gingrich called it “right-wing social engineering.”

But now, just seven months later, the country’s in a different place. Newt’s apologized. Speaker John Boehner and other Republicans praise Ryan’s plan. The Republican Study Committee wants to go further. Now Ryan agrees that his plan was “mild.” Today he says he’d go farther.

Maybe attitudes changed because Americans watched the video of riots in Greece and realized what can happen when the money runs out. Maybe Standard and Poor’s downgrading of the government’s credit rating mattered. Maybe attitudes changed simply because the deficit numbers are so ugly that even the establishment has to acknowledge it.

But also, attitudes changed because we libertarians won the battle of ideas. Now every Republican presidential candidate -- not just Ron Paul -- talks about free enterprise.

Alec Baldwin told Occupy Wall Street demonstrators, “You can’t not have strong capital markets in this country or the country’s going to go down the tubes.”

Wow. Even left-wing celebrities defend “strong capital markets”? The world is moving toward limited government and free enterprise. We libertarians have won!

But wait. What am I talking about? We haven’t won. Even Republicans want to grow government. When the Super Committee failed to reach its super conclusion and thereby put us on automatic pilot to a trillion dollars in spending cuts, Republicans screamed about draconian damage to the military. But the automatic cuts are really just cuts in the rate of increase. Spending will still go up, just at a slightly slower rate. Why is this even controversial?

I fear that much of the country is in agreement with the Wall Street protestors who love free stuff from government -- free health care, free college education, free lunch.

Elderly Americans want no cuts to Medicare. Even after the Solyndra scandal, 62 percent of Americans say America should continue to invest in clean-energy jobs. Don’t they think about what that money would be producing if left in the hands of free, entrepreneurial individuals? No.

Lots of Americans oppose free trade and free markets. It takes some knowledge to realize that the seeming chaos masks underlying order. The benefits of freedom are not intuitive, and when you go against people’s intuition, they get upset.

The benefits of freedom are largely “unseen,” as the 19th century French liberal Frederic Bastiat put it. He meant that rising living standards and labor-saving inventions don’t appear to flow from freedom. But they do.

It’s one of the ironies of life that people need not understand freedom for it to work, and because of this, there is the perennial danger that they will give it up without realizing the disastrous consequences that follow.

We freedom-lovers have a lot more work to do.

John Stossel is host of "Stossel" on the Fox Business Network. The show airs Thursdays at 10 p.m. and midnight ET. It re-airs Fridays at 10 p.m., Saturdays at 9 p.m. and 12 midnight, and Sundays at 10 p.m. (all times Eastern). He's also the author of "Give Me a Break" and of "Myth, Lies, and Downright Stupidity."



Read more: Will 2012 Be A Libertarian Year? | Fox News
 
Good read, I agree with him. I am glad people are changing this fucked up way of thinking.
 
plunkster will not have time to respond today, he is too busy dumping toxic waste into mtn streams and melting the ice caps

I think he said he was giving those jobs to minorities actually.
He pays them in peso's though :(
 
I get the sense that neither side really wants freedom. No more medicare. No more social benefits. No more bailouts / subsidies. No more military spending. It will shake up the current economy and political environment and require an adjustment from all sides.
 
I'm awaiting Plunkey's comments before I make up my mind

Libertarian ideas should bleed-down into both parties, but right now the GOP is ahead of the Dems on adopting their policies in many ways (but certainly not all).
 
Mitt seems like he will keep this bullshit war economy going to me.
 
So, I'm still supposed to vote for Mitt, right?

The idealogue in me likes Ron Paul.

The pragmatist in me likes Mitt.

The rationalist in me knows the only truly wrong answer is Barry.

So at the end of the day, I've got to break for Mitt. But I don't have to like it.
 
The idealogue in me likes Ron Paul.The pragmatist in me likes Mitt.

The rationalist in me knows the only truly wrong answer is Barry.

So at the end of the day, I've got to break for Mitt. But I don't have to like it.

does ronnie attract you because of his seething racism and homophobia??@!#!@#
i predicted this shit was going to happen, that he would get the label of racist, and i was right.
big read about his hatred in the nyt today, and the commenters were eating it up...such a predictable way to derail someone's politics.
i've completely lost my sensitivity to allegations of racism like the boy who cried wolf mostly pandering BS!
 
does ronnie attract you because of his seething racism and homophobia??@!#!@#
i predicted this shit was going to happen, that he would get the label of racist, and i was right.
big read about his hatred in the nyt today, and the commenters were eating it up...such a predictable way to derail someone's politics.
i've completely lost my sensitivity to allegations of racism like the boy who cried wolf mostly pandering BS!

/agree

They've abused the race card horribly. Being a real racist is a career-ending move, as it should be. A false accusation of racism should be an equally career-ending move.
 
does ronnie attract you because of his seething racism and homophobia??@!#!@#
i predicted this shit was going to happen, that he would get the label of racist, and i was right.
big read about his hatred in the nyt today, and the commenters were eating it up...such a predictable way to derail someone's politics.
i've completely lost my sensitivity to allegations of racism like the boy who cried wolf mostly pandering BS!

If that is all they have to go on, that is pretty weak. I am sure they have more bullshit to "expose." There could be a third party candidate I'm sure too. Maybe someone with similar views at Ronaldo?
 
If that is all they have to go on, that is pretty weak. I am sure they have more bullshit to "expose." There could be a third party candidate I'm sure too. Maybe someone with similar views at Ronaldo?

gary johnston is running for pres under the libertarian flag.
he's a good bro
 
gary johnston is running for pres under the libertarian flag.
he's a good bro

all that ngr is gonna do is take votes from Mitt

he's got the same chance of becuming POTUS as I do of banging swimsuit models and building a custom castle



just sayin'
 
all that ngr is gonna do is take votes from Mitt

he's got the same chance of becuming POTUS as I do of banging swimsuit models and building a custom castle



just sayin'

You mean Ron..
 
Top Bottom