19-nor/4-Diol Will they work? Are they SAFE?

[thx9000]

I realize this post is a little off topic, from what I can tell, but I really would appreciate any replies I get...

I’m about 196lbs, 5’ 11”, and about 10.5% bf and 30yo. I eat a very healthy diet and have for years, likewise I tend to supplement with things that I can find solid research on. As far as I can tell I’m healthy, but I have to admit I’m definitely paranoid. I do have one concern that has basically led to my posting. I have always had “slightly elevated” liver enzymes there are two (ALT/AGT?) that always come in at something like 5-10points above (about 10%) the “normal” range. Every doctor I’ve ever had said this is trivial and nothing to worry about. I’m paranoid, though, and thinking in terms of some underlying problem just waiting to be aggravated by the right chemicals…

I don’t mind screwing with body for the short term, but I don’t want to do something that completely f’s me up for the rest of my life. How safe is 1000mg of 19-nor-androstenedione with 500mg of 4-Androstenediol and 2000mcg (two pills) of “Triax” each day over a period of 6 weeks? The guy who selling off the web pauses and claims that there’s no real risk. Okay…

Next question; will this stuff do ANYTHING for me or will I just have a lot less money next month?

 

[Badkins21]

Triax (tiratricol) is not a worthless buy in my opinion...it's nothing compared to say, Cytomel (T3), but if you can find it, I'd go ahead and give it a try.

As far as the pro-hormones, I'd probably recommend that you save your money...from everything I see/read/hear, you've got a risk of about 90 of the same sides as real gear, but only a chance of about 10% of the gains...

I'll let some others chime in, 'cause I've certainly not been in this game for long, but considering how expensive that stuff is, too, I'd say save your hard-earned $$!!

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[George Spellwin]

Several comments:

1. Real steroid pre-cursors work well in high doses and are safe. For gains, they are better than some steroids and they are worse than other steroids -- it depends on the steroid they are compared to.
2. Most of the guys on the Anabolic board would tell you Dbol did not work if it was legal -- although most have never done one cycle and certainly not more than two. In fact, I may have a contest where I take the biggest steroid pre-cursor hater and transform him using only Norabol and Andro Infusion.
3. Many brands of supplements are mislabeled. The manufacturers lie about the ingredients in the bottle. This is a shame because it hurts the entire industry. Only buy from manufacturers that post their independent lab results and offer an unconditional money back guarantee.
4. It is wise to be concerned about your liver since this is where the conversion takes place. This is why I add Silymarin to my steroid pre-cursor products. Here are a few details. Silymarin, a standardized extract of the Silybum marianum plant, is a key component of the MED System. Silymarin is highly recognized for its ability to improve overall liver function and promote new liver cell regeneration. By supporting liver cell regeneration and enzyme function pro-hormone conversion rates are optimized. Silymarin is also a powerful antioxidant and liver protectant making it the ideal addition to a pro-hormone stack.
5. Triax brand does not contain tiratricol as tiratricol is now banned. You can read about our warehouse being raided here: http://www.elitefitness.com/articles/mqraid1.html
Unless your bottle is old, it is from a manufacturer who is copying the brand name for the active ingredient (tiratricol) that a few supplement companies including Mass Quantities introduced to our sport a little less than a year ago. They would lead you to believe that their Triax contains tiratricol when it will contain no such thing.

If you do choose to do a steroid pre-cursor cycle, please post your dosages, brand, and pictures.

 

[thx9000]

Wow a reply from George! That's cool, thanks...

Yeah, I have some really old Traix. Bought a bunch a couple of years ago then got scared when the FDA came out hollering...

I also take silymarin (Milk Thistle at least) as part of my daily supplementation. I think it's great that you include it in your products. I've seen some criticism of this on the regular boards, basically guys saying that people are fooling themselves if they think the product will protect their livers. This is unfortunate. I'm not one of these “homeopathic nuts” (as I refer to my girlfriend) so don’t automatically disregard my opinion on the matter. Silymarin is good, good stuff. It’s not a “maybe” it’s a researched and proven fact. I have a buddy with a progressive, degenerative liver disease. The disease isn’t going to stop progressing, he will die or need a transplant in the next 10 years, but the increased quality of life he is getting out of his severely (>80%) damaged liver seems to be in large part a result to his use of Silymarin all at the instruction of his doctor. (note: he has to take a ton of other vitamins etc, each day but the Doc’ claims that the Silymarin is the thing getting him up and out of bed each day).

 

[George Spellwin]

Originally posted by thx9000:
Wow a reply from George! That's cool, thanks...

Yeah, I have some really old Traix. Bought a bunch a couple of years ago then got scared when the FDA came out hollering...

I know so many athletes who find tiratricol SO MUCH easier to take than ephedrine and more effective as well. It was a real shame that this was pulled.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

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Yours in sport,

George

George Spellwin
Research Director

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