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What doses top pros used in the 70s?
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nina bonita
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Nothing by today's standards, so don't expect any shocking revelations. Ronnie would have made Arnold hang his head in shame if they compared cycles like with like.
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UA_Iron
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a lot
karachi183
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slat1 said:
Interesting!
riverrock
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Big_Joe said:
If you honestly believe that Arnold only took 3 tablets a day, they you probably believe he took 400mg of Primo a week for finishing purposes immediately before a competition as well. He tried to spin that nonsence a few years ago when he was entering politics to justify his "minor" use
Prizz
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3 Dbol per day? Yeah, those were the 100mg versions... I'm sure most of them did alot of Parabolan pre contest.... One thing I did hear is that Arnold did alot of GH for 1981 olympia, or was it 1980? Anyway, if one of those 70's BB's that trained in Venice with Arnold wrote a book about the topic, they'd make some cash.... Someone should call Dave Draper or Frank Zane and give them that idea.... lol..
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riverrock
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Prizz said:
Thats something that has often baffled me is why nobody has ever written an explosive book on Arnold's life yet. His steroids use would take up a full chapter in itself.
There's no point waiting for his autobiography. Most autobiographies are as biased as hell. I read Formula 1 Micheal Schumacher's Autobiography and it might as well have been written by his mother it praised him so much!!!
Too high. I went to a Tom Platz seminar in 1986 and right off the bat he was like ask me anything. He took 200mg/day of various stuff; loved injectable Dbol which was human grade back then; injectable winny (tabs only came in 2mg back then) thiomucase (not a steroid). can't recall but it was either 2 weeks on/2 weeks off or 6 weeks on/6 weeks off year round unless there was a show coming then he stayed on. The only thing he wouldn't do was list a full cycle because he didn't want idiots running out and copying it blindly. At the time I was stunned by that amount and it's part of the reason I stopped training seriously. My cycles were 200-300mg/week and I couldn't picture myself going that high ever.
riverrock
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Dial-Tone: So maybe the people who said that Arnold was on 800mg a week of Primo and 160mg of Dianabol a day only weren't too far out at all?
But surely Arnold wouldn't have passed up the chance to use a very high dosage of test and deca. That is why I was agreeing with bigtravis
But surely Arnold wouldn't have passed up the chance to use a very high dosage of test and deca. That is why I was agreeing with bigtravis
Tux
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Arnold did whatever it took to win. Exact dosages, I don't know, I wasn't around then, but he would not leave anything to chance, especially taking too FEW mg's of gear. I've heard many times he took dbol like candy, and seen him bloated as hell in some off-season pics. I think he used quite a bit more than 3 dbol/day. 10-20/day more like it.
Extra_Strong
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Prizz said:
80 was his last one and my opinion is that was his worst contest.
i dont really think he was playing with GH he already new what worked for him.
if they were takeing whole bottles a day you would see some sighns of gyno
on some of them.. 3 d-bol a day and some promo..
but who knows..
I was there.
In the beginning, there were very few "roids" to chose from. dbol was indeed the Breakfast of Champions. There was no big deal getting them and a lot of ignorance about proper use. Made in the USA.
One Christian Mr. O looked me in the face after watching some guys on stage around 1975 and remarked ... "I used about 6 mgs a day and was scared. These guys are using hundreds a week. I'm surprised they aren't dead."
Very, very few used large loads in the 60's because there was a fear of cancer.
I remember when injectable deca first came along in the Detroit area ... about 1970. A certain future Mr. O and a future Mr. World (deceased) split a package of deca in front of us and injected. I'm quessing about 250 mg.
No science at all! Just an overwhelming desire to be big and win titles.
In the beginning, there were very few "roids" to chose from. dbol was indeed the Breakfast of Champions. There was no big deal getting them and a lot of ignorance about proper use. Made in the USA.
One Christian Mr. O looked me in the face after watching some guys on stage around 1975 and remarked ... "I used about 6 mgs a day and was scared. These guys are using hundreds a week. I'm surprised they aren't dead."
Very, very few used large loads in the 60's because there was a fear of cancer.
I remember when injectable deca first came along in the Detroit area ... about 1970. A certain future Mr. O and a future Mr. World (deceased) split a package of deca in front of us and injected. I'm quessing about 250 mg.
No science at all! Just an overwhelming desire to be big and win titles.
Guvna
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bigtravis said:
i really wish you would not speculate. Tren was not around then.
Also, Arnie never had gyno, or really any other high estro signs for that matter. 160mgs of dbol a day? I think not. In fact, Franco is the only 70's guy that I have ever seen with gyno......and that was in the 80's. You can see pics today with pretty much every top pro having gyno sometime or another in their carreer. I don't think the pros have become genetically resistant to gyno in the last 30 years, do you?
I think some of you want to justify why your looks cant compared to them by simply saying how much more drugs they use. Not dissimilar to what fat lards do to the rest of us bodybuilders when they are jealous. Some of you 1.5 + gramers dont want to admit that there is a very good chance you are taking more drugs than Sergio Olivia ever did, but don't look even close to him.
Rememer, these guys have fantastic genetics, they worked out like it was their 9-5 job (which it was), and most trained every muscle at least 3 times a week. How many do that now? None. How many can do that now and not overtrain? Not very many.
Sure they used drugs. It was probably more than they admit to, but it didnt look like today's pros.
bro, last time i checked you could say anything you wanted on here. and speculating would be like me saying something like" you smoke sausage". and to inform you that you're not the only one on here that knows anything about the early years. i worked for the 1979 aau mr. america for 2 years back in 88. and during that time i learned alot. enough to know that the pros used more than just 500mg/wk of any compound. and if you think that the so called 1.5 gramers are taking more than sergio ever did. then you've got to be more stupid than you sound. wake the fuck up.Guvna said:
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Makavelli
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Common sense will tell you that Arnold and everyone else from then is lying about what they took. Of course they had great genetics. I don't have anywhere near Arnold's genetics and I'm not afraid to admit it. How many people do? I don't have the genetics to be a pro either. It doesn't matter. What we are all saying is that they took a lot more than they will admit. It's the same with today's pros. They will never tell you exactly how much they took. Look at what Flex Wheeler said in the interview in MD a couple months ago. He said that he only took 3 susts a week when he moved to LA. Yeah, ok... 
. And then he turned around and said that he didn't want to discuss doses because he didn't want anyone emulating him. I also agree with what Tux said. I've been saying that for years. Arnold's personality is a whatever it takes to win attitude. So he would take more, not less, just to be sure that he won.
. And then he turned around and said that he didn't want to discuss doses because he didn't want anyone emulating him. I also agree with what Tux said. I've been saying that for years. Arnold's personality is a whatever it takes to win attitude. So he would take more, not less, just to be sure that he won.
Big_Joe
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riverrock said:
He didn't say that's what he took. He used that as an example of how open it was back then. He said that it was very open back then and you would just ask someone what they were taking. He used "thres d-bol a day" as an example of a reply to the question.
A big problem with this kind of inquiry is human beings want others to be like them. Especially those that we admire. A lot of people today say because Sergio or Arnold or who ever is bigger then me they must be doing more then me. But genetics has a huge effect but more over the food we have today is not the same as back in the 50's 60's and 70's. What we eat today has been genetically altered to have better eye appeal, better shelf life and better transportation ability. Notice there is nothing about nutrition in this. I remember the quality of the food when I was a kid. Today we have a lot of synthetic chemicals as flavorings that are use to make up for the bland taste of the crap we eat. I know that nobody here eats McDonald's fries but they used to be really good. Because they were cooked in Beef Tallow. But that was more expensive the Palm Kernel oil so McDonald's change to Palm Kernel oil and added some synthetic flavorings. I know what they used to taste like and they taste like shit now. Everything we eat is like that. It's a huge problem. Today the focus is on Corn Syrup but it's not just Corn Syrup it's everything.
I used to work at a USDA lab. You wouldn't believe the things they do there that ends up on your table as food.
Triple J
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well in the mid 70s to mid 80s there were commonly more outstanding steroid physiques in the hard-core neighborhood gyms ... these days those types of places just do not seem to exist like they did back then. the drugs wer easier to get, cheaper, and better. also i personally witnessed one pro consume a bottle of dbol (500mg) right in front of my eyes, around 77 or so. he's dead now
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Guvna
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bigtravis said:
bigtravis said:
damn, I must have read incorrectly, you think? This is how interent rumors get started, and THAT is what i was trying to prevent.
bigtravis said:
It is not my fault you are offended by facts, and my matter-of-factly manner. But, I see that you are very defensive about it. If you think I had an "internet tone," I'm sorry. However, they did not have tren, you made stuff up, todays pros use more than those of yesteryear, and I dont like to see interent rumors get made, or propogate.
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