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Can I get advice on restarting my first cycle please

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HoriShinobi

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So I’m a 57 year old male that’s decided to run his first cycle, actually to restart my first cycle that I had to abort because I was sold a compound that wasn’t Primo (dicks slapped a Primo Label on Equipoise).

I’m Hypogonadel, I’m permanently on TRT, so I’m not concerned with PCT.

Here’s my thought. Running a 20mg Turinabol Kickstart on top of 300mg of Test C, with 150 Primo for 4 weeks, then dropping the Tbol and running the exact same stack for an additional 4 weeks with 20mg of Anavar added in.

I know it seems the orals are low but I found out when I first tried I was really sensitive to Orals.

My blood work is extremely balanced right now and I’ll run bloods 4 weeks in and on the last day of the cut.

This is pretty much a cutting phase for me, then I plan on cruising back on 200mg of Test, for 8 weeks to let my body go back to baseline.

Then I’ll go into a 12 week lean bulk on a modified same stack od

That is 20mg Turinabol (first 4 weeks), 300mg Test C, 150mg Primo, 100mg NPP, drop the Tbol and add 20mg of the last 4 weeks.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I’d like to create a logbook here as well. After the first mishap I kind of feel like some experience beyond standard web posts and conflicting YouTube videos.

Thanks for any feedback you can give me everyone. Have an epic week please!
 
Hey mate im no expert that’s for sure but from my time on here I probably would steer away from primo until the supply is back up, price goes down and you can trust your getting actual primo.

If your using the primo for estrogen control I would recommend going with mast e instead as there is a few suppliers on here with great Masteron and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than what primo is going for at the moment.

In that said actually if your body fat % is over 20 your probably better steering away from primo and Masteron as they arnt really that effective above 20% body fat and can diminish your progress.

I found this out after running it for a few weeks at 27%
 
Mast e baiter said:
Hey mate im no expert that’s for sure but from my time on here I probably would steer away from primo until the supply is back up, price goes down and you can trust your getting actual primo.

If your using the primo for estrogen control I would recommend going with mast e instead as there is a few suppliers on here with great Masteron and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than what primo is going for at the moment.

In that said actually if your body fat % is over 20 your probably better steering away from primo and Masteron as they arnt really that effective above 20% body fat and can diminish your progress.

I found this out after running it for a few weeks at 27%
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I can definitely appreciate that considering the EQ totally crushed my estrogen and it’s only now my Estradiol is back to normal ranges again.

But I actually got hold of legit Primo, Janoshik verified and everything, from a very trusted friends. Right now I’m sitting at just around 15% body fat and shooting to get it down to 11 over 8 weeks, which should be doable on a conservative cut.
 
HoriShinobi said:
So I’m a 57 year old male that’s decided to run his first cycle, actually to restart my first cycle that I had to abort because I was sold a compound that wasn’t Primo (dicks slapped a Primo Label on Equipoise).

I’m Hypogonadel, I’m permanently on TRT, so I’m not concerned with PCT.

Here’s my thought. Running a 20mg Turinabol Kickstart on top of 300mg of Test C, with 150 Primo for 4 weeks, then dropping the Tbol and running the exact same stack for an additional 4 weeks with 20mg of Anavar added in.

I know it seems the orals are low but I found out when I first tried I was really sensitive to Orals.

My blood work is extremely balanced right now and I’ll run bloods 4 weeks in and on the last day of the cut.

This is pretty much a cutting phase for me, then I plan on cruising back on 200mg of Test, for 8 weeks to let my body go back to baseline.

Then I’ll go into a 12 week lean bulk on a modified same stack od

That is 20mg Turinabol (first 4 weeks), 300mg Test C, 150mg Primo, 100mg NPP, drop the Tbol and add 20mg of the last 4 weeks.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I’d like to create a logbook here as well. After the first mishap I kind of feel like some experience beyond standard web posts and conflicting YouTube videos.

Thanks for any feedback you can give me everyone. Have an epic week please!
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HoriShinobi said:
So I’m a 57 year old male that’s decided to run his first cycle, actually to restart my first cycle that I had to abort because I was sold a compound that wasn’t Primo (dicks slapped a Primo Label on Equipoise).

I’m Hypogonadel, I’m permanently on TRT, so I’m not concerned with PCT.

Here’s my thought. Running a 20mg Turinabol Kickstart on top of 300mg of Test C, with 150 Primo for 4 weeks, then dropping the Tbol and running the exact same stack for an additional 4 weeks with 20mg of Anavar added in.

I know it seems the orals are low but I found out when I first tried I was really sensitive to Orals.

My blood work is extremely balanced right now and I’ll run bloods 4 weeks in and on the last day of the cut.

This is pretty much a cutting phase for me, then I plan on cruising back on 200mg of Test, for 8 weeks to let my body go back to baseline.

Then I’ll go into a 12 week lean bulk on a modified same stack od

That is 20mg Turinabol (first 4 weeks), 300mg Test C, 150mg Primo, 100mg NPP, drop the Tbol and add 20mg of the last 4 weeks.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I’d like to create a logbook here as well. After the first mishap I kind of feel like some experience beyond standard web posts and conflicting YouTube videos.

Thanks for any feedback you can give me everyone. Have an epic week please!
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At 57 and being on TRT, keeping the orals low at 20mg is a very smart move, especially since you already know you're sensitive to them. Your bloodwork schedule is spot on. The transition from the cut to the lean bulk with the addition of NPP looks well planned, just keep an eye on prolactin later on. Really sucks to hear about that fake Primo issue, dealing with bunk gear is the absolute worst. Looking forward to following this log, good luck with the cut!
 
HoriShinobi said:
So I’m a 57 year old male that’s decided to run his first cycle, actually to restart my first cycle that I had to abort because I was sold a compound that wasn’t Primo (dicks slapped a Primo Label on Equipoise).

I’m Hypogonadel, I’m permanently on TRT, so I’m not concerned with PCT.

Here’s my thought. Running a 20mg Turinabol Kickstart on top of 300mg of Test C, with 150 Primo for 4 weeks, then dropping the Tbol and running the exact same stack for an additional 4 weeks with 20mg of Anavar added in.

I know it seems the orals are low but I found out when I first tried I was really sensitive to Orals.

My blood work is extremely balanced right now and I’ll run bloods 4 weeks in and on the last day of the cut.

This is pretty much a cutting phase for me, then I plan on cruising back on 200mg of Test, for 8 weeks to let my body go back to baseline.

Then I’ll go into a 12 week lean bulk on a modified same stack od

That is 20mg Turinabol (first 4 weeks), 300mg Test C, 150mg Primo, 100mg NPP, drop the Tbol and add 20mg of the last 4 weeks.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I’d like to create a logbook here as well. After the first mishap I kind of feel like some experience beyond standard web posts and conflicting YouTube videos.

Thanks for any feedback you can give me everyone. Have an epic week please!
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For a first that's very complicated.
I would look at (in the ranges of
250-400 test
150-250 primo
3-6 hgh

Could run one oral for the first 4 or last 4 another option for oral is for the entire length just on 2-3 sesh a week. "Sensitive to orals" there in and out of your system fast you also get 100% API for the MG consumed
 
SteveMobsterG said:
I’m Hypogonadel, I’m permanently on TRT, so I’m not concerned with PCT.
Dt400 said:
For a first that's very complicated.
I would look at (in the ranges of
250-400 test
150-250 primo
3-6 hgh

Could run one oral for the first 4 or last 4 another option for oral is for the entire length just on 2-3 sesh a week. "Sensitive to orals" there in and out of your system fast you also get 100% API for the mg
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That seems like sound advice, thanks so much.

I have no experience with HGH but from what I’ve read it seems like a hassle because everyone says I have to fast two hours before taking it. Then the insulin uptake issues and I really don’t want to get into throwing insulin into the mix because of my lack of experience. Know what I mean?

Hahaha, I just fixed my insulin sensitivity issues with Reta and a pretty tight whole foods diet I have dialed in.

I’ll definitely be leaving the NPP out and the Tbol. I’ll just stick with the Anavar the last 4-6 weeks and up it a touch depending on blood work.

From what friends of mine told me, and the message I’m getting here, the less compounds the better. I can adapt and maybe add something on another cycle after I determine how well I respond to a more simple run.



SteveMobsterG said:
Do you have an actual T reading?
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HoriShinobi said:
That seems like sound advice, thanks so much.

I have no experience with HGH but from what I’ve read it seems like a hassle because everyone says I have to fast two hours before taking it. Then the insulin uptake issues and I really don’t want to get into throwing insulin into the mix because of my lack of experience. Know what I mean?

Hahaha, I just fixed my insulin sensitivity issues with Reta and a pretty tight whole foods diet I have dialed in.

I’ll definitely be leaving the NPP out and the Tbol. I’ll just stick with the Anavar the last 4-6 weeks and up it a touch depending on blood work.

From what friends of mine told me, and the message I’m getting here, the less compounds the better. I can adapt and maybe add something on another cycle after I determine how well I respond to a more simple run.
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dont over think the gh just take it right before bed, the blood glucose spike is because your body goes into lypilisis from what I understand,

I think it's the right choice VAR over T-BOL, unless endurance was a big goal, which if it was I would recomend Eq over primo as well.

KISS, keep it simple stupid. One of the safest bets is stick to bioidentical, you could get absolutly massive on Test, gh and Slin
 
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