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lets say say at around 200lbs a for a 2nd cycle9 first was 200-300mg dec and 25mg dbol for 8 weeks and didnt gained a little but not much) cycle a person who has lifted for a while and knows how to eat take 500mg test e for 10 weeks and 50mg anadrol a day for 4 weeks and say they only gain 10lbs on the whole (while eating 5,000+ cals/day and close to 400gms protein day)..cycle and there bench goes up only 10 lbs and the gear they got was legit (from a local pharmacy in the states) would that meen that the person just has really shitty genetics and virtually no receptor sites or does that mean they just have to use alot more gear say gram test week 150mgs anadrol and 500mgs deca week???..this is all with lifting correctly and really doing everything right, except getting huge or insanely strong, i just dont get it..maybe im one of those 1 in 1,000 people that just have really no receptor site.. any input...and the gear is legit its from a nation wide chain pharmacy...any help cause i dont really wanna waste any more money if for 10 lbs and 10 lbs on my bench...iu thought this cycle was potent enough to do it but.......
 
50mg of anadrol should make your bench go up 10 pounds in the first week...I dont wanna say you have really bad genetics so lets blame it on the gear
 
jacked the sad thinng is the way im built already people said "your gonna get freakin huge of that stack" just because i was a good athlete already built fairy well, and already pretty strong 445lbs squat at 200lbs and 355bench at 200lbs before ever touching a steroid... so i dont see how its my genetics..but apparently its something...im disgusted tho
 
Receptor sites??? Steroid's are nonpolar molecules, which freely diffusion through the plasma membrane of cells with no need for "receptor sites" or plasma membrane receptors required to bring them into the cell. There are NO "receptor sites" for steroid molecules. There are steroid molecule receptors inside, the cells, which when in complex with the steroid will bind and activate transcription (or protein synsthesis).

nautica
 
I'm having the same problem.7 wks of sust.500mgs a wk and 300 of deca lifting heavy and eating like crazy and nothing.I'm sure the gear is good,checked all the telltale conterfit giveaways plus it's a trusted source.Maybe my being 45 is making this take longer.But like you said it is frustrating as hell.
 
dam dont feel bad, im only 25, and got my shit from an eckerds pharmacy, so i know its real..it made by watsonphareceuticals and their web site has the same exact pics of gear as the ones i have, same numbers on labels etc..i wish they were fake then atleast i would have some hope..but i donr
 
sixfoot2whiteboy said:
dam dont feel bad, im only 25, and got my shit from an eckerds pharmacy, so i know its real..it made by watsonphareceuticals and their web site has the same exact pics of gear as the ones i have, same numbers on labels etc..i wish they were fake then atleast i would have some hope..but i donr
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bro test your gear on a lab and u will definally know the truth.
 
nautica said:
Receptor sites??? Steroid's are nonpolar molecules, which freely diffusion through the plasma membrane of cells with no need for "receptor sites" or plasma membrane receptors required to bring them into the cell. There are NO "receptor sites" for steroid molecules. There are steroid molecule receptors inside, the cells, which when in complex with the steroid will bind and activate transcription (or protein synsthesis).

nautica
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With all due respect, that's splitting hairs and misinformation IMO. Call it a semantics game here but there are in fact receptor "sites". Every hormone in the body (insulin, cortisol, testosterone, estrogen, etc..) has "receptor site" it communicates with!

"Steroid hormones work by stimulation of receptor molecules in muscle cells, which activate specific genes to produce proteins (see Figure 1). They also affect the activation rate of enzyme systems involved in protein metabolism, thus enhancing protein synthesis and inhibiting protein degradation (called an anti-catabolic effect). Heavy resistance training seems to be necessary for anabolic steroids to exert any beneficial effect on physical performance. Most research studies that have demonstrated improved performance with anabolic steroids used experienced weight lifters who were capable of training with heavier weights and producing relatively greater muscle tension during exercise than novice subjects. The effectiveness of anabolic steroids is dependent upon unbound receptor sites in muscle. Intense strength training may increase the number of unbound receptor sites. This would increase the effectiveness of anabolic steroids."


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Bahrke, M.S., C.E. Yesalosk, and J.E. Wright. Psychological and behavioural effects of endogenous testosterone levels and anabolic-androgenic steroids among males: a review. Sports Med. 10: 303-337, 1990.

Buckley, W.E., C.E. Yasalis, K.E. Friedl, W.A. Anderson, A.L. Streit, and J.E. Wright. Estimated prevalance of anabolic steroid use among male high school seniors. J. Amer. Med. Assoc. 260: 3441-3445, 1988.

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Maybe you're one of these people that needs high-dosed gear cycles. Talk to Needsize. He's a VET here who always says he uses more gear than the next guy to get comparable results.

How's your training? Some people feel the need to over-train while on gear. This alone can be more catabolic than anything.

Do you have a high metabolism? Maybe you need EVEN more?

Do you do a ton of cardio?

Do you get adequate rest/sleep?

How's your thyroid? Have you abused dieting in the past?

How is your macronutrient ratio? Some respond better to high carb/moderate/low fat protein -- while others respond to high protein/moderate carbs/moderate healthy fat intake.

Maybe you just don't respond well to these particular drugs. Referring to Needsize again, he doesn't like (or respond to) Test. I believe he says he doesn't repond to Test but does very well on other drugs. Perhaps -- that's the case with the drugs you chose. I have to believe sine you gained "some weight" albeit minimal for that cycles, your body DOES have the ability to "respond" to gear.

There are plenty of other correlating/obstructing factors it could be.

Dissect your lifestyle, eating habits, training habits and investigate what gear works for YOU -- that's what the game is all about -- a marathon, not a sprint.

Good luck.
 
my diet is was on point, not to brag but i did everything right, from 10 hours slep a night to lifting how i need to grow, just doesnt happen for me..as far as cardio i dont do it cause i do have a faster metab ( i could eat wendys 4 times a day for a year and not get fat,lol,even tho i dont) and not a like im a strength freak or anything but i was repping 315 for 12 reps etc and bench 275 for 10 reps so the strength to grow was there, i just dont know im at the end of my rope...
 
I agree with everyone who says the "receptor site" nosense is BS! I could be a numvber of issues and the # 1 is prolly fake gear.
But there is another thing to consider...everyone is different and there cannot be a comparison of gains from one person to the next...there are just too many variables.
I don't know what you genetics are like, but if you are anywhere close to your genetic limit...or over it, then it will always take "MORE AMOUNT OF GEAR" to keep growing. Anyone who is far from reaching there genetic limits can grow on minimal amounts of gear...it may not be much...but it will be there.

So just switch the gear and/or source and adjust the amounts to fit your body...It usually takes several cycles to find the right amounts and the right gear for you personal profile.
 
Everyone is different I agree. Some need 1 gram to grow some need 100mg. Some are 300 lbs shredded on genetics alone. Look at that little muscle freak-world record kid. Now..what i mean about receptor bs is results are the same after x ammount of years. Same deal. Obviously if you are already 250lbs+ you will not keep puting on the same mass as you did to get from 150 to 160. This has nothing to do with receptors. Imo :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
 
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you got fucked with the gear, I would'nt give a damn if it was my GRANPAPPY, who gave it to me, GET IT TESTED!! AL WAYS GET YOUR GEAR TESTED
 
I will tell you its most likely one of two things.

1. Your gear is bad.

2. Its all in your head.

also option 3 of training/rest/eating improperly
 
He just said he's a hard gainer, I'm sure that's the issue..... Being Ectomorphic, your body burns alot of calories for daily fuel..... So even if you eat 5000cals per day, youre not gonna get the same gains as someone who's metabolism is slower..... 10lbs for a hardgainer? That's not a bad cycle IMO.....

rizz
 
I kind of had same problem on first cycle. I think if you are already kind of big you just might need more gear intake.

My second cycle looked more like a 4th or 5th cycle for someone, but it worked really well. And I ate a lot more. Only regret was my diet was a lot of crap. But strength gains were great.
 
im not really ectomorphic my bones arent light my wrist is 7.5 inches around and im 6"2 204 lbs currently...im prolly a mix between ecto andmesomorph...
 
sixfoot2whiteboy said:
im not really ectomorphic my bones arent light my wrist is 7.5 inches around and im 6"2 204 lbs currently...im prolly a mix between ecto andmesomorph...
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Ok, but the Ecto component will still make you need to consume more calories then someone Non Ecto..... Yeah, sounds like you took alot of gear, and didn't get as much from it that another guy would..... You may have a few factors involved there, one being that youre Ecto, the other is that it just might take higher dosages to get you to achieve gains..... Just like 10mg of Morphine might knock me out, but might make you not feel much different at all..... Everyone is different....

rizz
 
When I started taking dbol for first time, I did what a lot of people suggested for first time dosage. I did 30ng a day to start. Needless to say I wasn't feeling it as much as people talked up dbol to be.

Mine was actually vet gear and I was reading the label directions and it had a weight to mg dosage fomula. I started to use that and upped to 50mg a day, then bam I felt crazy pumps.
 
Prizz said:
He just said he's a hard gainer, I'm sure that's the issue..... Being Ectomorphic, your body burns alot of calories for daily fuel..... So even if you eat 5000cals per day, youre not gonna get the same gains as someone who's metabolism is slower..... 10lbs for a hardgainer? That's not a bad cycle IMO.....

rizz
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being an ecto, and a hardgainer, i can tell you from experience that when ON i put weight and size on easily. i put on a ton of size with comparable amounts of gear. i seriously think you should get a diff source, and go with a reputable vet/ug lab. american pharmaceuticals are one of the most widely faked. i dont use any us made gear. get some qv/bd/syrus/gtp or equivalent and do it again..
i seriously suspect your gear was bunk.
and in my opinion Anadrol has no business in a body builders tool kit. maybe a powerlifter (which you seem to be i believe) but not for bodybuilding.
 
ya i was into powerlifting and will never consider myself a bber but i still want to be as big as i can...i just dont know how fake gear can get in a real local pharmacy...i still dont think it was fake but..
 
sixfoot2whiteboy said:
lets say say at around 200lbs a for a 2nd cycle9 first was 200-300mg dec and 25mg dbol for 8 weeks and didnt gained a little but not much) cycle a person who has lifted for a while and knows how to eat take 500mg test e for 10 weeks and 50mg anadrol a day for 4 weeks and say they only gain 10lbs on the whole (while eating 5,000+ cals/day and close to 400gms protein day)..cycle and there bench goes up only 10 lbs and the gear they got was legit (from a local pharmacy in the states) would that meen that the person just has really shitty genetics and virtually no receptor sites or does that mean they just have to use alot more gear say gram test week 150mgs anadrol and 500mgs deca week???..this is all with lifting correctly and really doing everything right, except getting huge or insanely strong, i just dont get it..maybe im one of those 1 in 1,000 people that just have really no receptor site.. any input...and the gear is legit its from a nation wide chain pharmacy...any help cause i dont really wanna waste any more money if for 10 lbs and 10 lbs on my bench...iu thought this cycle was potent enough to do it but.......
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Im starting to believe more and more in the idea of genetic limitation. That's to say, no matter what you do or what you take, eventually there will come a point that you simply cannot get any bigger. But putting those theories aside, how do you know you are training correctly? A lot of people think they are doing the right things to continue to induce muscle growth, when in fact they are not. What you did to get to 200lbs, may not be good enough to get you to 250lbs.
 
thats a good point...i meen i train hard and it just pisses me off when i see guys that r reppin 200 lbs who have big muscualar bodies, and im over there reppin 275 for 10 and cant get shit out of it....i train6-8 reps,10-12, gvt, 4-6 everything..who know, but i know i didnt hit my limit yet
 
theres some doctors in my area for a minimal fee will prescribe anything, i meen anything...as long as u have the connections to get to know them....
 
some people definitely grow on much less. Like it was said earlier, I need large doses to grow, I have ever since my first cycle. But I have seen guys blow right past my size on way smaller doses, and in some cases, their training and nutrition hasnt been as good as mine.
Bodybuilding really does come down to genetics
 
sixfoot2whiteboy said:
thats a good point...i meen i train hard and it just pisses me off when i see guys that r reppin 200 lbs who have big muscualar bodies, and im over there reppin 275 for 10 and cant get shit out of it....i train6-8 reps,10-12, gvt, 4-6 everything..who know, but i know i didnt hit my limit yet
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Try changing your training up. Not just the type of exercises you do, but also your method of training. Try not to let your body get adapted to training in one particular way. For ex: instead of doing 275 for 10, one day throw 200lbs on the bar and see how many reps you can get (try for 50 ;) ). Just keep changing things up every so often and see if it makes a difference for you.
 
sixfoot2whiteboy said:
lets say say at around 200lbs a for a 2nd cycle9 first was 200-300mg dec and 25mg dbol for 8 weeks and didnt gained a little but not much) cycle a person who has lifted for a while and knows how to eat take 500mg test e for 10 weeks and 50mg anadrol a day for 4 weeks and say they only gain 10lbs on the whole (while eating 5,000+ cals/day and close to 400gms protein day)..cycle and there bench goes up only 10 lbs and the gear they got was legit (from a local pharmacy in the states) would that meen that the person just has really shitty genetics and virtually no receptor sites or does that mean they just have to use alot more gear say gram test week 150mgs anadrol and 500mgs deca week???..this is all with lifting correctly and really doing everything right, except getting huge or insanely strong, i just dont get it..maybe im one of those 1 in 1,000 people that just have really no receptor site.. any input...and the gear is legit its from a nation wide chain pharmacy...any help cause i dont really wanna waste any more money if for 10 lbs and 10 lbs on my bench...iu thought this cycle was potent enough to do it but.......
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You need to forget this "receptor site" theory. This is not have gear works at all, and doesn't have any biologic basis. Chances are this person is either not eating enough, not working out enough, or simply has bunk gear. I would lean to bunk gear or not eating enough.
 
needsize said:
some people definitely grow on much less. Like it was said earlier, I need large doses to grow, I have ever since my first cycle. But I have seen guys blow right past my size on way smaller doses, and in some cases, their training and nutrition hasnt been as good as mine.
Bodybuilding really does come down to genetics
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Are your doses lower now that you're with the trainer, or are they still about the same?
 
Outtlaw said:
Are your doses lower now that you're with the trainer, or are they still about the same?
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lower now, but she starts low, and builds the doses up week after week, so by the end they will end up around the same as what I normally run. So far on this approach I'm up 10lbs in three weeks, on less gear
 
The more muscle fibers a person has the more AAS receptors they have for the AAS to work on. As I've said before, that's why a person like Flex Wheeler will take X amount of AAS and blow up. If an average person takes the same amount of AAS the results will not be the same. It all comes down to genetics.
 
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