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Is it time for the entertainment industry to pay its fair share?

mrplunkey

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We're immersed in media and entertainment everywhere we go. That's a fact.

And the industry has brought us women who can't seem to get enough rough-and-dirty sex, friends who resolve all their interpersonal struggles within a 30-minute episode, and heroes who kill scores of villains with no legal or emotional consequences. Even the news media is to blame -- if it bleeds, it leads.

Does this cause all the ills of society today? Certainly not. But does it desensitize us to sociopathic behavior and increase violent urges? Yes, research has shown that it does. It doesn't mean it drives people to "go off", but it does seem to be a common denominator in some very antisocial behaviors.

So we've got a trillion-dollar industry to reaps profits at the expense of our citizens and leaves our families and broken health care system to deal with the consequences -- a classic example of a negative externality. We already tax other negative externalities:

- Tobacco is taxed specifically to recover some of the downstream health care costs.
- Cars that are deemed "gas guzzlers" are taxed specifically to recover their disparate impact on the environment.
- Firearms are hit with a "violence tax" to recover the cost of their periodic misuse
- Sugary drinks are taxed to compensate society for their contribution to obesity and diabetes.

So why not a modest (i.e. 5%-8%) tax on entertainment industry gross revenues? Why not tax movies, television... even news networks? The money could go into a mental health fund and help offset the downstream costs of identification and treatment of the mentally ill, particularly as it pertains to children.

Hollywood doesn't seem to have an issue with higher taxes anyway. Wouldn't this be a great way for them to contribute to the greater good? What's more important than the mental health of children?
 
We should tax the entertainment industry for immersing us in violence and fucking us all up.
 
Would never happen since politicians rely on favorable media treatment
 
javaguru said:
He's posting about internalizing externalities via Pigouvian taxes.

However, even Pigou questioned the efficacy of state levied taxes "getting it right."
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I'm not claiming that this would "get it right", but it would "get it closer". Somebody has to pick-up the mental health tab -- why not just spread it across all media and entertainment?
 
mrplunkey said:
I'm not claiming that this would "get it right", but it would "get it closer". Somebody has to pick-up the mental health tab -- why not just spread it across all media and entertainment?
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I got no issue although I do see the slope (ie how do you know when you've gone too far...ie do you tax PBS or CSPAN?).
 
Popcorn tax FTW!!!!
 
EnderJE said:
I got no issue although I do see the slope (ie how do you know when you've gone too far...ie do you tax PBS or CSPAN?).
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You'd have to tax all media, otherwise you're in the business of judging content.
 
Or how bout we just not let them make the shit in the first place? Taxing all media is not even a remotely logical idea, just throw it out. But remember what you're espousing here Plunk, you're in essence calling for more "gubment" regulation of an industry that is simply supplying demand. Slippery slope esse.

I just watched Dredd last night and while i was pleasantly surprised that it was way better than I thought it was going to be....I was also shocked at the gore, and it's not easy to shock me. There were slow mo shots of bullets entering and then exiting people's faces. Dude's were thrown down a 200 story atrium and were shown splatting on the ground. Don't know if that was all in the cinematic release but it is in the DVD. And it added nothing to the movie except the prurient effect. People getting shot as part of a coherent script i have no issue with, what I hate is showing blood and gore simply for the wow effect. This movie was released in 3-d in the theatres so i'm guessing those bullet scenes and slow mo splatter were there purely for the novelty of the 3-D. That we should just say no more too. And if people want to make it then yeah, they pay a gore tax and/or their movies only get shown in the cinema...no DVD release.


mrplunkey said:
We're immersed in media and entertainment everywhere we go. That's a fact.

And the industry has brought us women who can't seem to get enough rough-and-dirty sex, friends who resolve all their interpersonal struggles within a 30-minute episode, and heroes who kill scores of villains with no legal or emotional consequences. Even the news media is to blame -- if it bleeds, it leads.

Does this cause all the ills of society today? Certainly not. But does it desensitize us to sociopathic behavior and increase violent urges? Yes, research has shown that it does. It doesn't mean it drives people to "go off", but it does seem to be a common denominator in some very antisocial behaviors.

So we've got a trillion-dollar industry to reaps profits at the expense of our citizens and leaves our families and broken health care system to deal with the consequences -- a classic example of a negative externality. We already tax other negative externalities:

- Tobacco is taxed specifically to recover some of the downstream health care costs.
- Cars that are deemed "gas guzzlers" are taxed specifically to recover their disparate impact on the environment.
- Firearms are hit with a "violence tax" to recover the cost of their periodic misuse
- Sugary drinks are taxed to compensate society for their contribution to obesity and diabetes.

So why not a modest (i.e. 5%-8%) tax on entertainment industry gross revenues? Why not tax movies, television... even news networks? The money could go into a mental health fund and help offset the downstream costs of identification and treatment of the mentally ill, particularly as it pertains to children.

Hollywood doesn't seem to have an issue with higher taxes anyway. Wouldn't this be a great way for them to contribute to the greater good? What's more important than the mental health of children?
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redsamurai said:
Or how bout we just not let them make the shit in the first place? Taxing all media is not even a remotely logical idea, just throw it out. But remember what you're espousing here Plunk, you're in essence calling for more "gubment" regulation of an industry that is simply supplying demand. Slippery slope esse.

I just watched Dredd last night and while i was pleasantly surprised that it was way better than I thought it was going to be....I was also shocked at the gore, and it's not easy to shock me. There were slow mo shots of bullets entering and then exiting people's faces. Dude's were thrown down a 200 story atrium and were shown splatting on the ground. Don't know if that was all in the cinematic release but it is in the DVD. And it added nothing to the movie except the prurient effect. People getting shot as part of a coherent script i have no issue with, what I hate is showing blood and gore simply for the wow effect. This movie was released in 3-d in the theatres so i'm guessing those bullet scenes and slow mo splatter were there purely for the novelty of the 3-D. That we should just say no more too. And if people want to make it then yeah, they pay a gore tax and/or their movies only get shown in the cinema...no DVD release.
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My views reflect those of a changing electorate. Elections have consequences and people want more stuff -- like free mental health services. If an industry wants to profit by immersing us in sociopathic behavior, let them pay for the fallout.
 
Sounds good, please post a letter and will all put it on our letterhead and send it to our federal representatives for them to act on.
 
mrplunkey said:
We're immersed in media and entertainment everywhere we go. That's a fact.

And the industry has brought us women who can't seem to get enough rough-and-dirty sex, friends who resolve all their interpersonal struggles within a 30-minute episode, and heroes who kill scores of villains with no legal or emotional consequences. Even the news media is to blame -- if it bleeds, it leads.

Does this cause all the ills of society today? Certainly not. But does it desensitize us to sociopathic behavior and increase violent urges? Yes, research has shown that it does. It doesn't mean it drives people to "go off", but it does seem to be a common denominator in some very antisocial behaviors.

So we've got a trillion-dollar industry to reaps profits at the expense of our citizens and leaves our families and broken health care system to deal with the consequences -- a classic example of a negative externality. We already tax other negative externalities:

- Tobacco is taxed specifically to recover some of the downstream health care costs.
- Cars that are deemed "gas guzzlers" are taxed specifically to recover their disparate impact on the environment.
- Firearms are hit with a "violence tax" to recover the cost of their periodic misuse
- Sugary drinks are taxed to compensate society for their contribution to obesity and diabetes.

So why not a modest (i.e. 5%-8%) tax on entertainment industry gross revenues? Why not tax movies, television... even news networks? The money could go into a mental health fund and help offset the downstream costs of identification and treatment of the mentally ill, particularly as it pertains to children.

Hollywood doesn't seem to have an issue with higher taxes anyway. Wouldn't this be a great way for them to contribute to the greater good? What's more important than the mental health of children?
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The problem is, that's not solving anything. It's just a band-aid burden on everyone who can enjoy the stuff without turning into a degenerate. The solution is to raise our standards as a society, and it starts with better parents who actively teach what's most important in life.

But it probably won't happen as easily as everyone wants. Well, tough shit. "Easy" is largely what's caused all these problems in the first place.
 
mrplunkey said:
We should tax the entertainment industry for immersing us in violence and fucking us all up.
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Human beings are naturally prone to violence with or without media's help though. If anything media has done more to passivize us and make us lethargic. I doubt any society as powerful and capable as ours puts up with more shit. :whatever: is our attitude.

I mean, just witness how much pull the government has leveraged over us already. We've been frogs in a pot of water for the better part of a century now, and every year it's getting closer and closer to cooking us all.
 
mrplunkey said:
My views reflect those of a changing electorate. Elections have consequences and people want more stuff -- like free mental health services. If an industry wants to profit by immersing us in sociopathic behavior, let them pay for the fallout.
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Or we just not let them make it in the first place. There is simply no way to keep this shit out of the hands of kids. Not in this society, not anymore. Parents throughout the entire socio-economic strata are completely unwilling to properly raise their children so they left it up to marketers, as evidenced by the Lanza's who were "very" well off. The Aurora dude also came from a similiar if not slightly less background then the Lanza's. So you have to just take it away period. My generation still plays these games with perspective, but the younger kids....Call of Duty clans are their life. They play it like a full time job. So it sucks, but games like that have to be toned way the fuck down if not eliminated completely. Just taxing them doesn't solve shit because the mental health industry will only absorb these kids once they've already done something which is obviously too late. All your tax is going to do is supply "da gubment" with more revenue which they will apply only a small percentage of that to the actual problem they instituted the tax for in the first place. C'mon you know that's how it works.
 
redsamurai said:
Or we just not let them make it in the first place. There is simply no way to keep this shit out of the hands of kids. Not in this society, not anymore. Parents throughout the entire socio-economic strata are completely unwilling to properly raise their children so they left it up to marketers, as evidenced by the Lanza's who were "very" well off. The Aurora dude also came from a similiar if not slightly less background then the Lanza's. So you have to just take it away period. My generation still plays these games with perspective, but the younger kids....Call of Duty clans are their life. They play it like a full time job. So it sucks, but games like that have to be toned way the fuck down if not eliminated completely. Just taxing them doesn't solve shit because the mental health industry will only absorb these kids once they've already done something which is obviously too late. All your tax is going to do is supply "da gubment" with more revenue which they will apply only a small percentage of that to the actual problem they instituted the tax for in the first place. C'mon you know that's how it works.
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So no more...

- First person shooters
- "Kill Bill"-style movies
- Horror flicks
- Movies promoting promiscuity and hyper-sexuality
- Pornos
- Lead stories in the media glorifying the 0.000000000001% of people who died a horrific death that day
...

And who in your master plan gets to decide what gets made and what doesn't?
 
javaguru said:
He's posting about internalizing externalities via Pigouvian taxes.

However, even Pigou questioned the efficacy of state levied taxes "getting it right."
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i actually like plunkster's idea a lot...in fact, it actually makes a lot more sense from a cause-and-effect standpoint than the real-world examples that he is comparing it too.
 
digimon7068 said:
i actually like plunkster's idea a lot...in fact, it actually makes a lot more sense from a cause-and-effect standpoint than the real-world examples that he is comparing it too.
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That's the account in you talking. You're trying to match revenues with expenses.

I also think Hollywood would go ape-shit crazy over an excise tax on gross revenues to pay for their messes, despite decades of telling other people to pay their fair share.
 
EnderJE said:
I got no issue although I do see the slope (ie how do you know when you've gone too far...ie do you tax PBS or CSPAN?).
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that was already (indirectly) decided by the united states supreme court in jacobellis v. ohio 378 u.s. 184 (1964)..."i know it when i see it" -potter stewart
 
One thing that does need to be changed is the regulations for determining whether a movie is PG-13 or rated R.

PG-13 movies are increasingly more adult themed in many ways that they might as well do away with it altogether and have G, PG and R.


Saying "shit" 40 times in a movie is acceptable and a couple "fucks" are even creeping into PG-13 movies, as well as more intense violence and sexuality.

Sorry, but a 12 year old should not be watching stuff like that at all.

Also, under 17 should be be restricted from watching rated R movies regardless of adult consent. Many R movies have scenes that are pornographic which is illegal to present to a minor.


But, the industry doesn't care. They like money and could care less about the moral fabric of society.

As much garbage is readily available, it's making good parenting increasingly difficult because of the sheer amount and rate of exposure to inappropriate content.

People become a product of their environment. The primary environment is the home. Parents, don't let your kids watch trash, don't let your under aged children play excessively violent video games, and closely monitor their activity on the internet and strictly forbid viewing of pornographic and violent material. Teach your children to be kind, polite, obedient, compassionate, honest, forgiving and a person of integrity and moral uprightness.

The secondary environment is school, and children learn to apply the things I just mentioned in a social setting. Discipline them for being disrespectful and do not tolerate mistreating of peers and school staff.

If you do this from the beginning, your children will grow up properly. If you think giving a young child (under 16) a lot of personal freedom and privacy in today's society is a good idea, you are sorely mistaken.
 
mrplunkey said:
That's the account in you talking. You're trying to match revenues with expenses.

I also think Hollywood would go ape-shit crazy over an excise tax on gross revenues to pay for their messes, despite decades of telling other people to pay their fair share.
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it's a well documented fact that exposure to violence and inhumanity on tv and the big screen desensitizes and dehumanizes us...i just want to give credit where credit is due :)
 
digimon7068 said:
that was already (indirectly) decided by the united states supreme court in jacobellis v. ohio 378 u.s. 184 (1964)..."i know it when i see it" -potter stewart
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The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California. It has three parts:
Look up prurient in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

-- Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,

-- Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable state law,

-- Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
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That describes 75% of the commercials on TV today.
 
That tax just gets passed on to us in higher movie ticket prices, cable bills, etc..

How about an uninvolved parent tax for letting your kids base their life values on tv shows?

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callmejay said:
That tax just gets passed on to us in higher movie ticket prices, cable bills, etc..

How about an uninvolved parent tax for letting your kids base their life values on tv shows?

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For a start, let's cancel the child tax credit.

Why should taxpayers subsidize parents for having kids in the first place? Or mortgages? Or corn? Or oil exploration? Or marriages? Or ethanol? Or solar power?
 
digimon7068 said:
it's a well documented fact that exposure to violence and inhumanity on tv and the big screen desensitizes and dehumanizes us...i just want to give credit where credit is due :)
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A nurture vs nature argument, eh? We should ban gays on TV too.
 
EnderJE said:
A nurture vs nature argument, eh? We should ban gays on TV too.
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Those shows can pay their flat 10% excise tax just like everyone else. I don't care if it's the 700 Club, Fox and Friends or the latest Chainsaw Massacre movie.
 
hey hey hey now....let's not get ahead of ourselves ok, nobody said anything about Porn so you just take that word out of the dictionary right now. Got it? :mad:


mrplunkey said:
So no more...

- First person shooters
- "Kill Bill"-style movies
- Horror flicks
- Movies promoting promiscuity and hyper-sexuality
- Pornos
- Lead stories in the media glorifying the 0.000000000001% of people who died a horrific death that day
...

And who in your master plan gets to decide what gets made and what doesn't?
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:lmao:
 
Yes cause a mental health registry invades ones civil liberties so much less than gun control I'd like to kick every NRA member in the nuts in hopes that they would develop a true sense of pain and logic.

FYI in Canada we had to dig back 40 fucking years to find our last school mass shooting in the GTA thank you gun control.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Yes cause a mental health registry invades ones civil liberties so much less than gun control I'd like to kick every NRA member in the nuts in hopes that they would develop a true sense of pain and logic.

FYI in Canada we had to dig back 40 fucking years to find our last school mass shooting in the GTA thank you gun control.
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Don't get distracted by something as infrequent as a school shooting. Do you realize that a child is 20 to 50 times more likely to be killed by a deer-vehicle collision than by a school shooting?

This is bigger than a school shooting. We've got an entire industry that glorifies sex, violence and sociopathic behavior and hands the downstream costs to families and government safety nets.

Besides, who isn't willing to pay their fair share? So you're going to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre IVXXL (because IIVXXL left so many unanswered questions...). Do you really mind paying $11 instead of $10 in the name of good public mental health?
 
mrplunkey said:
Don't get distracted by something as infrequent as a school shooting. Do you realize that a child is 20 to 50 times more likely to be killed by a deer-vehicle collision than by a school shooting?

This is bigger than a school shooting. We've got an entire industry that glorifies sex, violence and sociopathic behavior and hands the downstream costs to families and government safety nets.

Besides, who isn't willing to pay their fair share? So you're going to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre IVXXL (because IIVXXL left so many unanswered questions...). Do you really mind paying $11 instead of $10 in the name of good public mental health?
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LOL I am not going to see it and I hardly go to movies. So tax the shit out of it I could care less. It makes me laugh when american's complain about paying taxes in general you pay next to nothing compared to Canadian's.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
LOL I am not going to see it and I hardly go to movies. So tax the shit out of it I could care less. It makes me laugh when american's complain about paying taxes in general you pay next to nothing compared to Canadian's.
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True.

And Canada practically has a caste system when it comes to economic opportunity as well. It's a wonderful place to live in many ways (we have several Canadian employees), but it's most definitely not the place to try to become a self-made millionaire either.
 
mrplunkey said:
True.

And Canada practically has a caste system when it comes to economic opportunity as well. It's a wonderful place to live in many ways (we have several Canadian employees), but it's most definitely not the place to try to become a self-made millionaire either.
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LOL really? I have family that would tell you other wise :)

As for a caste system are you kidding me? The dived between rich and poor in the US is far greater.

Toronto hosted WPC in the summer. Do you know what Americans commented on the most? The amount of development going on in the city. There is more construction cranes in the city then Dubai right now. We do not have the oil of the west so that is saying a lot for our growth. Look at US retailer flocking here in droves for a piece of our consumer pie.

I am heavily taxed its true but it's my norm. I wouldn't trade being Canadian or living in this country for any amount of money. I live in a nation that generally cares about the greater good for all citizens.
 
mrplunkey said:
And yes, it's difficult to move between the classes in Canada.
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Now there's the ole Cpt sweeping generalizations!! Good to have you back mate. :biggrin:



seriously, you just told a hardworking self made canadian citizen that you know more about socio economic upward mobility in canada than she does. You might wanna walk that one back. But don't ever totally put cpt generalization to sleep entirely. So in the spirit of his triumphant return to EF chat, I feel it appropriate to make my own sweeping generalization....canadians could care less about moving between classes cause they're too busy watching that stupid game where that thingie slides around on some ice and a bunch of bar brawlers in pads/skates are chasing it around with the nebulous intention of scoring....when they're really just trolling for their next boxing match.
 
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hanselthecaretaker said:
Human beings are naturally prone to violence with or without media's help though.
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yes we are, mass killings have been going on for a long time. but i do believe the media(tv, movies, games)has played a large part in the increase in kids perpetrating violence. so i believe they have accountability here and that leads to a responsibility.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
Human beings are naturally prone to violence
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butt we're getting better :)


Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ.com

  • The world of the past was much worse. Violence has been in decline for thousands of years, and today we may be living in the most peaceable era in the existence of our species.
  • There will always be enough violent deaths to fill the evening news, so people's impressions of violence will be disconnected from its actual likelihood.
 
redsamurai said:
Now there's the ole Cpt sweeping generalizations!! Good to have you back mate. :biggrin:



seriously, you just told a hardworking self made canadian citizen that you know more about socio economic upward mobility in canada than she does. You might wanna walk that one back. But don't ever totally put cpt generalization to sleep entirely. So in the spirit of his triumphant return to EF chat, I feel it appropriate to make my own sweeping generalization....canadians could care less about moving between classes cause they're too busy watching that stupid game where that thingie slides around on some ice and a bunch of bar brawlers in pads/skates are chasing it around with the nebulous intention of scoring....when they're really just trolling for their next boxing match.
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Do Canadians receive training in the correct use of common expressions?
 
Mass killings peaked in the United States in 1929 and gun violence has been declining for over a decade.

Are Mass Shootings Becoming More Common in the United States? - Hit & Run : Reason.com

"There is no pattern, there is no increase," says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston's Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices.

The random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest, Fox says. Most people who die of bullet wounds knew the identity of their killer....

Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Yes cause a mental health registry invades ones civil liberties so much less than gun control I'd like to kick every NRA member in the nuts in hopes that they would develop a true sense of pain and logic.

FYI in Canada we had to dig back 40 fucking years to find our last school mass shooting in the GTA thank you gun control.
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Google Quebec Biker War, I watched a documentary about it. They were using military arms and explosives in that shit; Gun control works! :)
 
PICK3 said:
butt we're getting better :)


Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ.com

  • The world of the past was much worse. Violence has been in decline for thousands of years, and today we may be living in the most peaceable era in the existence of our species.
  • There will always be enough violent deaths to fill the evening news, so people's impressions of violence will be disconnected from its actual likelihood.
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Walter Block addressed Pinker's book...
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Yes cause a mental health registry invades ones civil liberties so much less than gun control I'd like to kick every NRA member in the nuts in hopes that they would develop a true sense of pain and logic.

FYI in Canada we had to dig back 40 fucking years to find our last school mass shooting in the GTA thank you gun control.
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Explain me... :)

 
javaguru said:
Google Quebec Biker War, I watched a documentary about it. They were using military arms and explosives in that shit; Gun control works! :)
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Quebec isn't Canada shows how much you know about my fine country :o

But seriously that's the HA it's organized crime they can get anything they want. True story when I cocktail waitressed I worked an HA party best tippers and nicest customers I ever had true story.

I think that song was about John Mayer.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
Quebec isn't Canada shows how much you know about my fine country :o

But seriously that's the HA it's organized crime they can get anything they want. True story when I cocktail waitressed I worked an HA party best tippers and nicest customers I ever had true story.

I think that song was about John Mayer.
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and why can they afford anything they want? They engage in illegal business activities. How hard do you think it would be for an intelligent sociopath to commit mass murder by tapping into that black market? We've had a drug war in this country for decades and anyone that wants the drugs can get them, they can't even keep them out of prisons.
 
javaguru said:
and why can they afford anything they want? They engage in illegal business activities. How hard do you think it would be for an intelligent sociopath to commit mass murder by tapping into that black market? We've had a drug war in this country for decades and anyone that wants the drugs can get them, they can't even keep them out of prisons.
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It`s not affording them as much as the connections to get them. Anything is possible really but notice the point was there has been more mass shootings in the US in the past 10 years double actually then we have had in 100. Why... gun control. Doesn`t mean we don`t have access to arms just means there is more paper work to get a gun. It slows down crimes of passions or leaves them to be performed with another weapon. Either way I`d walk through any ghetto even west van in my country but I am scared to drive through Detroit even in the day time.
 
superqt4u2nv said:
It`s not affording them as much as the connections to get them. Anything is possible really but notice the point was there has been more mass shootings in the US in the past 10 years double actually then we have had in 100. Why... gun control. Doesn`t mean we don`t have access to arms just means there is more paper work to get a gun. It slows down crimes of passions or leaves them to be performed with another weapon. Either way I`d walk through any ghetto even west van in my country but I am scared to drive through Detroit even in the day time.
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I disagree but I agree it's a cultural issue. That's why comparing apples to oranges is a bad idea, Canada has the same violent movies and video games as well as access to illegal stuff. If you look at the mass shootings like Columbine and Virginia Tech..they were committed with illegally obtained firearms. Maybe it's a "superpower" issue. Russia has higher rates of violent crime than the United States. There is correlation data showing that combat veterans will engage in socially unacceptable behavior at rates higher than the population even though they are screened.
 
javaguru said:
I disagree but I agree it's a cultural issue. That's why comparing apples to oranges is a bad idea, Canada has the same violent movies and video games as well as access to illegal stuff. If you look at the mass shootings like Columbine and Virginia Tech..they were committed with illegally obtained firearms. Maybe it's a "superpower" issue. Russia has higher rates of violent crime than the United States. There is correlation data showing that combat veterans will engage in socially unacceptable behavior at rates higher than the population even though they are screened.
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Well at least we agree on one thing LOL yes it is a cultural issue that much is very clear ... Now how do you change the culture of an entire country?
 
superqt4u2nv said:
1812 bishes we wooped your asses good.

Plus at least I can travel the world with a Canadian flag proudly and no fear of hate just saying.
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That makes me so mad I just want to pinch those nipples until you scream in pleasure.
 
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