Posted by Animal on March 01, 1997 at 16:53:38:
In Reply to: TO ANIMAL AND OTHERS REGARDING PPA AND ECDYSTERONE posted by Unique on March 01, 1997 at 15:18:15:
: OK, FIRST I will not post something unless I know what I'm talking about! Period! Next Point--
: PPA is called Phenylpropanolamine. What is this? It is the isomers of NORpseudoephedrine.
: I did not say pseudoephedrine. PPA is a very close relative of ephedrine. PPA, ephedrine,
: pseudoephedrine all work the same way--simply by stimulating the adrenals to release more
: adrenaline. So, in practice, these compounds are all interchangeable. The only difference
: is in potency. PPA and ephedrine are about equipotent--actually PPA has been shown to be
: a little better. Psuedoephedrine is much weader so stay away from it.
: NOw, ecdysterone has been shown to be very anabolic in animals and in humans--it is well
: documented that it is biolically active. Stop listening to everything Phillips says in
: MM2000! B-Ecdysterone is available in purified form in the Eastern Block countries and
: is taken as an anabolic. The Zebutol that gymrat took was probably the real, potent stuff.
: I would not even mention someone to take the herbal form because of bioavailability problems.
: However, if I can get the pure compound then I will offer it! I will continue to do research
: on it and post my results.
: Keep up the fight
: Unique
I know I'm picking at straws but you still don't have it quite right! ephedrine and psuedoephedrine have an OH molecule whose position varies around the chiral center if it is nor or eph. PPA has this OH as well but it is in the SAME position as the ephedrine. Furthermore, Eph and NOR have a methyl group attached to the Nitrogen molecule on the second carbon of the chain and THIS LACK of CH3 on the N is what makes PPA different. It has nothing to do with the stereoisomers! It is a different molecule altogether. On to ecdysterone, all I'm saying is that I haven't seen any research on medline that says this can even attach to the receptor in mammals. If you can get the pure stuff that is great and I might even try it after I'm done with my androstenedione to compare the two. I don't doubt your integrity it's just why take ecdysterone when you can take something you know that works for about the same cost. What's up with the soy isolate! I want some! I have 2 cans of NEXT whey left then I'm done with that. Keep us informed. Anarchy in the USA!