Re: Hulkster,or other experts...Test or Noran???

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I'm 6'1" 185lbs. I'm looking to gain 10-20 lbs of muscle. 1st time user...Would testosterona(enanthate) or norandren work better? or a combined cycle of each??? : : : : : : : : I've researched two cycles...What would work better? or do you recommend a better one? : : : : : : : : 1-5 weeks: 2cc test : : : : : : : : 4cc noran : : : : : : : : 5-10 weeks:6cc noran : : : : : : : : or.... : : : : : : : : 10 weeks: 3cc test : : : : : : : Try this cycle: : : : : : : : week1=200mg/test, 2cc/nor : : : : : : : week2=200mg/test, 2cc/nor : : : : : : : week3=300mg/test, 3cc/nor : : : : : : : week4=400mg/test, 4cc/nor : : : : : : : week5=400mg/test, 4cc/nor : : : : : : : week6=300mg/test, 3cc/nor : : : : : : : week7=200mg/test, 2cc/nor : : : : : : : week8=200mg/test, 2cc/nor : : : : : : : Increase your protein to 200/day and maintain that even after completing cycle, take Evening primrose and Cod Liver Oil during cycle, utilize a high intensity, high weight, low rep workout routine and most importantly eat, eat, eat (watch the fatty stuff o.k.) : : : : : : : Be careful and watch your back!!! Hulkster : : : : : : That is a decent cycle, but if you're going w/ a traditional cycle (pyramid) I would taper w/just the Nora because 200mg of test enanthate IS sufficient to lower endogenous prodution, but since you'd have quite a bit left over you could easily stick w/ 200mg for a couple of weeks. Honestly, at these dosages it wouldn't matter if you tapered or not because your system probably isn't going to have any negative reactions to this. But, if you're looking for 15-20lbs solid gains then the 600mg of TE is the way to go. It s possible, but doubtful that you would make those type of w/ Hulkster's cycle. Please remember that this is your first cycle, make it count. : : : : : : Good Luck. : : : : : I normally recommend lighter cycles, than most, when it comes to someone's first cycle, my fear is the effects will go more into the negative side, than positive. With a lighter cycle, you can see how your body is going to react to the added syn. hormone and go from there. Once a bad reaction starts, it's a bitch to get under control and most individuals are reluctant to see a doctor, unless they're half dead. I'm just a "better safe than sorry type"!!! Be careful and watch your back!!! Hulkster : : : : I understand what you're saying Hulkster and I respect your opinion, but if you make the decision to use AS then you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences (like side effects). I'm not saying you shouldn't do everything in your power to prevent them, but using ANY amount of AS is a risk, so I'm of the opinion that you should go ahead and base your dosages on your goals (this guy would like 20lb LBM gain), instead of your fear of side effects. And, I don't know if you've read that study that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine that all the mags are talking about, but they gave 600mg test enanthate/week for 10 weeks to about 30 guys and the average gain was over 13lbs LBM, only sides were three guys had some acne (one of them was on the placebo) and 2 guys complained of sore nipples. I think any AS user shuld read this study and maybe even keep a copy around to show others interested in AS. : : : : Mike : : : I've heard about that study too but what happened when they came off? Remember, the WHO wants to use test as a contraceptive and all they want to use is 200 mg a week! That leads me to believe that it doesn't take much to drop endogenous levels and therefore it would be better to do the test at the beginning and taper it but add nor to keep the total steroid level up and then taper off with the nor only! Just a thought. Anarchy in the USA! : : To my knowledge all subjects that continued lifting and eating a high protein diet had maitained their gains 2 months after the study. And your absolutely right that even low doses of test are sufficient to drop endogenous test production and sperm counts. But, permanently depressing this portion of your endocrine system is much more affected by time than by dosage. You could do just about any amount of test you wanted (1gm, 2gm, whatever) and as long as the cycle was kept in the 6-10 week range, your endocrine system will kick back in about 99% of the time (w/o clomid/HCG). However, if you took a medium dose like 400mg of test /week (about 20-40% of what you used on the 6-10 week cycle) and continued that for 6 months or more I'd say your chance of having some serious testicular atrophy would probably double or even triple. Your body is great at overcoming short-term adverse conditions, but it has a nasty habit of adapting/sucumbing to damage done consistently for long periods. : : Mike : : Thanks for all the advice. It good to know that there are fellow athletes out there that want to help and give good advice. My goal is to gain size but if at all possible I would like to keep side effects to a minimal. I compete in VBall Tournaments in the summer and many times I am shirtless. I understand that there will be side effects but like I said I would like to keep minimal (acne? liver? etc.) Also, nandroloney, I read the study you suggested. It was very enlighting but I also have read that with higher doses there are higher chances of side effects? Is their just no way around side effects (the price you pay)? Thanks again for discussing my questions...

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