Re: Androstenedione- Most powerfull legally available supplement ever!!!

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: : : I am wondering how many of you are actually aware of the potential of : : the legally available androgen androstenedione. Most of you have seen the info : : that was reported from the German patent for the stuff, if not here is a summary of it: : : 50mg taken orally increases plasma testosterone levels 40-83% above normal baseline : : levels. 100mg taken orally increases plasma testosterone levels 111-237% above normal : : baseline levels. The test. start to increase about 15 minutes after administration with : : a peak about 1 1/2 hours after. The effects last about 3 hours. Most of you should : : realize that these are very substancial increases which could result in dramatic : : gains in size and strength if taken properly. In my opinion it has to be administered : : similarly to Androil would which is about every 3-4 hours. The normal male : : produces about 6-10mg of testosterone in the testes per day. This means that : : per week about 60mg are produced. I think that you all know that by using 200mg : : of exogenous testosterone a week you can experience some signifigant gains. That is : : roughly a little over triple of the amount of test. that you would produce naturally. : : Since you can raise your test levels to almost triple their natural amounts through : : using androstenedione at about 100mg then it seems that you could experience gains : : similar to using 200mg of testosterone weekly LEGALLY. Just imagine if more that : : 100mg of androstenedione were used per dose. I have also done some checking around : : and it seems that if androstenedione was injected its effects would be much more potent. : : Also, androstenedione aromatizes into estrone in the body. This should not : : be a problem at reasonable dosages since estrone is a fairly weak estrogen BUT.. : : if 5-alpha-androstenedione (5AA) is used in conjunction with androstenedione it can : : cut down on the aromatization to estrone by 88%. This could increase the potency : : of the androstenedione dramatically. I do not think that 5AA is orally active : : so this option would only be possible if you are using androstenedione through injection. : : There is also a legal androgen called 19-norandrostenedione which is changed : : to nandrolone in the liver in the same manner that androstenedione is changed into : : testosterone. That means that there could possibly be a legal way to gain the : : effects of Durabolin. I am still checking on this one. It might be very expensive. : : I know of another legal androgen that is more powerful than either of the : : previously mentioned two but it is not orally active and would have to be injected. : : Is anyone interested in me posting more info about these compounds as : : obtain more info on them? : : *also, I wonder how long it will take the FDA to outlaw these drugs : : now that they know that bodybuilders gopt smart enough to try and use them? : It sounds to me like you are definately trying to glamourize this product. You're math is a bit on the shady side, too. I'm not saying that this product is crap, I'm just saying that it sounds like you are definitely making it out to be more than it is. If this product increased your plasma testosterone (you say 60mg. of test a week is produced naturally, AT MOST) is increased 237%, that would be about 200mg. of test a week going through your blood. That is only like ADDING 140mg. of test a week, NOT 200mg. If you were taking in 200mg of exogenous test a week you would be having 260mg. of test going through your body. That is also assuming that you can maintain a testosterone PEAK 24 hours a day! Unless you are waking up every two hours to take more pills, It's going to be IMPOSSIBLE to achieve a 24 hour peak. So let's look at MY numbers. OK, now let's say that this guys is at the low end of the endogenous testosterone production scale. He's only producing 6mg. of test a day, for a total of 42mg. a week. If this guy takes 50mg of this stuff and his body doesn't take too well to it, he's only going to increase his plasma testosterone production by 40%(your numbers). Let's say that he can only do that for 16 hours a day. He has to sleep and stuff, you know? So he's only achieving a testosterone increase 2/3 of the time. (16 hours is 2/3 of a day) So 2/3 of 40% is about 27%. a 27% increase over 42mg. of endogenous testosterone production is like adding ONLY 11mg. OF TESTOSTERONE a week. You try to make it sound like it's the same thing as doing a cycle. IT"S NOT! I happen to know that this is quite expensive stuff, too. That 11mg. increase is going to cost you about $100 a month, too. I mean, if you have the cash and think it's worth it, go for it. If I was rich, I wouldn't mind forking over some serious bucks to increase my testosterone. It just doesn't sound like a good deal to me, though. I can get 11 extra mgs. of test a week for about $1 a month. That sounds like a better deal to me. ANARCHY!

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