Re: ***Stop ragging on Bill Phillips!!!, FLATTOP's opinion!!!***

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: : : : : : What do any of you have against Bill Phillips? What makes him so bad? : : : : He puts out a magazine that has alot of stuff in it that the other mags don't have : : : : the balls to put in theirs. I admit that it has gone slightly downhill recently : : : : but it is still the best mag in the business for drug talk any bodybuilding info. : : : : Would you rather listen to Joe Weider blow sunshine up his own ass through 200 pages : : : : of bull shit? It sounds to me like you are all jealous of him because he went out : : : : and made something of himself. I'm not telling you that you have to go out and be : : : : his best friend but unless he has harmed you personally in some way that it was : : : : bad enough for you to waste board space telling us about it than keep it to yourself : : : : and leave the board to talking about REAL bodybuilding and drug info. It's starting : : : : to sound like MFW around here. : : : (From Hulkster)!!! : : : Individual opinions is what makes this board, what it is. Whether it's an opinion on a specific product, cycle, news article, or even on a person. Yes, the subject kind of drifts off now and then, but that is what makes this board interesting. In my opinion, I have a problem with MM2000, due to the fact, that they are source killers. They seek them out, set them up, turn the products and information over to the FEDS and then write about the entire event. MM2000 has killed atleast twenty sources that I know of, and you're telling me that that's good news, my clients that I train, are having to resort to what's available, not what's the safest/most effective. Now, individuals are turning to home brews and cattle hormons. I will speak out, because I will not stand by and watch my clients and fellow bodybuilders place themselves in danger, because souces are drying up, along with reliable products!!! Members of this board have been scammed for thousands of dollars and some have had bad reactions to fakes, that's why I'm here, to help and hopefully keep you guys from having medical problems or getting busted for improving yourself. Bill was one of us along time ago, but he now forgets where he came from and what he had to go through. He got what he wanted, now it seems like his attitude is "fuck everyone else" (please excuse the word usage)!!! I'm having to deal with problems caused by Bill and the like everyday, and yes it's my choice to do so, but what kind of person would I be, if I just stood there and shut my mouth, knowing someone was going to get hurt or busted. I remember where I came from and I will not forget!!!!!!! Sorry, for the length of this, but this is a touchy subject for me!!!! Be careful and watch your back!!! Hulkster : : >>>I don't need to be harmed "personally in some way" to think someone is an asshole. Bill Phillips is offten called "Buttplug" on this and other boards for a reason. I think Hulkster covered the more important stuff already, but I'd like to add my two cents. Every post I have read that defends Buttplug, Money Maker 2,000,000, and EAShit implies that everyone is jealous. I think some people confuse this emotion with RESENTMENT. There was a time when Buttplug was on the same "side" as the guys [and gals] on this board. He has become the consumate hypocrit. He got started by publishing information about drugs and still markets a dated version of that same book. At the same time he rats out sources and hyper-promotes EAShit as if it could replace drugs. The guy is two-faced! There is nothing wrong with success, just don't forget how you got there. My two cents.... >FLATTOP< : : To my awareness Bill has always stated in mm2k that he is a business man, and that he is : trying to make a living off selling his products. I think mm2k is the most informative : mag. still around. Although Bill is trying to make an extra buck, aren't we all!! He may : promote his products to an extreme, but wouldn't you! Also, how many company's can actually : place a 100% money back guarantee on all their products; No one else even comes close. If you don't : like the product get your damn money back!! I think that Bill taking over EAS is a great value to every : person interested with a better body. Up until he came out with mm2k, Weider products had every one beleiving : that weight gainer 2000, boron, and amino acid pills were going to make you into a great bodybuilder. Now, : what about this lie and big let down. I think Bill is a genious for steroid information. Credit has been : given to his Anabolic Reference guides, which for a long time (besides USH) was the only information around that did : not trash on anabolic use. Now, he continues to give information on counterfeits in different countries and articles and he gets criticized : for it; it just does not make sense. Another issue that I don't understand is that people think they do not give out as much : anabolic information as they have in the past; How many times can you answer the same questions in each magazine; after a while : the same questions get tired of being posted in the magazine. Bill is also coming out with the Anabolic Reference Guide 7 soon : and this also points out that he is not turning his back on anabolics. Steroid counterfeits are constantly being changed and : counterfeited and it is impossible to keep up with this at all time (everyone on this board knows this), i think everyone should : give a little slack to Buttmunch. MM2k has reported on the studies performed introducing the benefits of their use. Isn't this the : publicity that everyone on this board wants; To prove to the government that they are not nearly as dangerous when abuse is absent. : As for MM2k being responsible for the connections being dried up, I think this proves the ignorance on behalf of the dealers not being : careful. These pro bodybuilders are the same people that abuse and give anabolics the bad name that is given to them. I have no respect : for most pro bodybuilders because of their constant lies. You want to talk about ripping people off, these are the same fools that are : constantly ripping off (Not everyone!!) and selling fake shit for the extra bucks!! I feel this is where the importance of this board : comes in, because it is set up in a way that information can be shedded daily. I also find it funny how other magazines are now following : and performing the same basic beliefs that MM2k promotes (steroids) and (supplements such as creatine and other products). I respect everyone : on this board and their opinions and I hope I get the same in return. Great job to the great people on this board even when opinions differ. : Thanks, : Mr. BMJ

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