Posted by CAJUN on February 04, 1997 at 16:09:04:
In Reply to: Re: LASIX, INSULIN, to achieve the big YO-YO? posted by APF on February 04, 1997 at 15:35:49:
: : My normal weight before I dehydrate for weigh-ins is about 146-150 lbs.
: : My weight class is 126 lbs. This is a fairly normal drop for us Division I wrestlers. As far as a calorie restricted diet, we really aren't on one. Most of us guys on the team are so cut, there would be no purpose.
: : Drug testing with us college athletes is kind of a pharse. They say they do, but they really don't. They don't want to hurt the reputation of the NCAA.
: : Most of our matches start at 7:00 pm Friday night. We get to weigh in at noon thursday. This gives us just over 30 hours to recompensate our bodies. I usually drop ten pounds between Wednesday at noon and thursday morning. I drop another ten pounds between 7:00 AM and 12:00 noon thursday (weigh-in time). Wearing rubber suits in the sauna is getting a bit old. I also think that with the right "help", I can be weighing a hard 145-150+ lbs. by match time. This would give me a huge advantage in size and strength over non-"helped" competitors. You cannot be reweighed. Thanks again.
: I think what you should do is look into a Bodyopus-like ketogenic diet. Going on one will make you feel like shit, and you won't be able to perform as well _going up to_ the weigh-in, but you'll lose the weight you need (especially water weight) with the added bonus of being able to baloon-out in the brief amount of time you need (and possibly _add_ pounds to our original weight).
: If you haven't read about cyclic ketogenic diets, you should pick-up a copy of 'Bodyopus' by Dan Duchaine. Not only does it seem to be the key to your severe weight-loss & recomposition 'problem', but it has a lot of info regarding diet in general and drug use.
: In a nut-shell, the idea is to eat very-low carbs (like no more than 30grams/day), very high fat (like 75+% of your diet coming from fats) and moderate protein (~25% of your calories). The carb depletion will bring you into a state called ketosis (where your body converts fats into ketones for energy), but that's more or less irelevant to your needs. What is really important is, that after your muscles are glycogen-depleted, they will be able to 'store' even more when carbs are added to your diet, overcompensating for the previous loss.
: What this means to you is, get into a state where you have no glycogen reserves, and you will lose all the water-weight that is associated with glycogen. Thus, you will immediately lose a lot of weight (mostly water at this point). After the weigh-in, you will then eat _tons_ of high-glycemic carbohydrates (Dan recomends maltodextrin powder and rice cakes), which your muscles will soak-up, becoming more full than before.
: In the carb dedpletion phase, it may be more 'effective' if one were to supplement with insulin or an oral hypoglycemic agent (ie: metformin. Glyburide or Tolazamide may be even better, as they also have mild diuretic activity as well). This will push all carbs into the muscles, where they will be burnt with any sort of workout you do (and as a wrestler, I don't think you'll have a problem getting rid of that). The C/A/E stack may be nice too to boost energy, help you lose water, and give a little metabolism 'kick'.
: In the recomposition phase, one could use insulin again, this time to shoot those carbs into your muscles (and stay there) faster. The idea in recomposition is to eat a shitloat of carbs, and you want to make sure they get shuttled directly into the muscles. Of course, you can overeat, as you don't mind gaining more water weight/fat/whatever at this point (you want all the weight you can get). Drink a boatload as well to fully 'volumize' your muscles (I guess you could load-up creatine too at this point). When it's time for the competition, your body is going to be all fucked-up (but bigger). This would be a reason to heap on the stimulants again, to force your body to perform. =]
: It doesn't sound too healthy, but neither does garbage-bag running or wearing thermals in the sauna.
: It's all how you look at it. =]
: There's a lot of info on this sort of diet around (much more technical/makes more sense than what I've written here) on the net. I've added an URL to the bottom of this post, giving the most famous account of a Bodyopus dieter, which is very informative (and gives you all you need to know w/o buying the book, which is also very good). =]
: -APF
i hate to interject here but i was a believer that ketosis was the breakdown of proteins into energy which left ketones in the blood stream which arent to great if prolonged for any period of time[ months, wrestler has nothing to worry about,any carb depletion phase will cause this]