Re: Androstenedione- Most powerfull legally available supplement ever!!!

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: : : : : : I am wondering how many of you are actually aware of the potential of : : : the legally available androgen androstenedione. Most of you have seen the info : : : that was reported from the German patent for the stuff, if not here is a summary of it: : : : 50mg taken orally increases plasma testosterone levels 40-83% above normal baseline : : : levels. 100mg taken orally increases plasma testosterone levels 111-237% above normal : : : baseline levels. The test. start to increase about 15 minutes after administration with : : : a peak about 1 1/2 hours after. The effects last about 3 hours. Most of you should : : : realize that these are very substancial increases which could result in dramatic : : : gains in size and strength if taken properly. In my opinion it has to be administered : : : similarly to Androil would which is about every 3-4 hours. The normal male : : : produces about 6-10mg of testosterone in the testes per day. This means that : : : per week about 60mg are produced. I think that you all know that by using 200mg : : : of exogenous testosterone a week you can experience some signifigant gains. That is : : : roughly a little over triple of the amount of test. that you would produce naturally. : : : Since you can raise your test levels to almost triple their natural amounts through : : : using androstenedione at about 100mg then it seems that you could experience gains : : : similar to using 200mg of testosterone weekly LEGALLY. Just imagine if more that : : : 100mg of androstenedione were used per dose. I have also done some checking around : : : and it seems that if androstenedione was injected its effects would be much more potent. : : : Also, androstenedione aromatizes into estrone in the body. This should not : : : be a problem at reasonable dosages since estrone is a fairly weak estrogen BUT.. : : : if 5-alpha-androstenedione (5AA) is used in conjunction with androstenedione it can : : : cut down on the aromatization to estrone by 88%. This could increase the potency : : : of the androstenedione dramatically. I do not think that 5AA is orally active : : : so this option would only be possible if you are using androstenedione through injection. : : : There is also a legal androgen called 19-norandrostenedione which is changed : : : to nandrolone in the liver in the same manner that androstenedione is changed into : : : testosterone. That means that there could possibly be a legal way to gain the : : : effects of Durabolin. I am still checking on this one. It might be very expensive. : : : I know of another legal androgen that is more powerful than either of the : : : previously mentioned two but it is not orally active and would have to be injected. : : : Is anyone interested in me posting more info about these compounds as : : : obtain more info on them? : : : *also, I wonder how long it will take the FDA to outlaw these drugs : : : now that they know that bodybuilders gopt smart enough to try and use them? : : Ummm, isn't androstendione the generic name for the compound that Pat Arnold is selling as Androstene on m.f.w? If so, its already on the market and it's not cheap. 60 pills for @$60. Effectiveness currently under evaluation, but even Pat Arnold has said that if you can get real test, by all means use that instead. The other coumpounds you mention sound very interesting though, and I don't think there are too many individuals who post here who are overly concerned if a compound has to be injected. : I have just ordered Andrstene 50 from "The Guru" and eagerly await its' delivery. I don't want to take it regularly(several times a day) because i'm concerned that it might shut down my natural test(at 55 yrs I'm sure ther's not a hell of a lot floating around. Given that, I wonderer when taking it would be most advantagous for growth ie right before a workout and right after to aid recovery or befor workout and before bed. Any Ideas. Thanks

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